Prescott's Drive

Risen, it seems you've kicked a hornets nest. That'll happen, bro, when you go after a phenom rook QB on the heels of an 11-1 season.

I know you couldn't care less. Just a passive observation.
 
Kaiser said:
To mix metaphors, a good defense can be a great offense. Dak has ten other players with him on offense. Five are Pro Bowlers, one is a RB that is in the running for league MVP and others are way above average players like Leary and Beasley. TWill is the only below average player on the field, even with Free's inconsistency he is an above average RT.
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Fair enough, Kaiser. I think the QB is the conduit that makes an offense click, whereas a defense can take it home, all the way to a SB victory. An average QB will stall out, eventually, without an elite D. At some point it'll happen, regardless of the offensive weapons.

Hence, bus-driver (in relation to elite D vs elite weapons surrounding a QB) . But to each their own.

Again, I certainly respect your opinion, even if I disagree :)
 
Trouty said:
Fair enough, Kaiser. I think the QB is the conduit that makes an offense click, whereas a Defense can take it home, all the way to a SB victory. Hence bus-driver. But to each their own.

Again, I certainly respect your opinion, even if I disagree :)
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I don't disagree with you, I think we are all saying the same thing with slightly different terms. Most of us anyway.
 
Kaiser said:
I still don't get that dynamic on this board. Dak is special and having the best season a rookie QB has ever had, ever, in NFL history.

And he isn't perfect. I don't understand why some people think both things can't be true simultaneously.
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Who said he's perfect, though? No caveat necessary.
 
Trouty said:
Risen, it seems you've kicked a hornets nest. That'll happen, bro, when you go after a phenom rook QB on the heels of an 11-1 season.

I know you couldn't care less. Just a passive observation.
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I don't have disdain for Risen's or anyone's admiration of Wentz as a prospect. I realize he's an Eagle and we are supposed to hate him, but that doesn't negate the fact that he is a fantastic prospect despite a ho-hum rookie season.

What I don't understand is grasping to an 8-month-old analysis of Dak when his NFL film is ripping apart his scouting report. I feel like for Risen and a select few others, they'd still say Dak is a marginal selection as a fourth-round pick if the draft were re-done today. It makes no sense to me.

I agree that Dak isn't an A-plus prospect in terms of size, arm strength, "pure" accuracy, etc. He's not the workout warrior guy who rises up draft boards because of the zip of his ball while wearing shorts. But he's shown he has MORE than functional NFL talent in all of those respects, to go along with off-the-charts intangibles -- the latter of which Risen seems to agree exist.

I've always been of the belief that I would take the guy with just-good-enough physical skills if he possesses the work ethic, the competitiveness, the leadership, the pocket presence, situational awareness, etc. I think we've landed that very prospect in Dak.

Give me that every day of the week over the guy with the rocket arm who you're constantly waiting on breaking through.
 
Boyzmamacita said:
Who said he's perfect, though? No caveat necessary.
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Yeah, he's far from perfect in my eyes. But if I ever exhibit any oversensitivity about criticism, and I think this holds true for others as well, it's because there is a crowd who acts as if every incompletion is a sign he "can't" do it. It's as if some can't wait to say, "See! He missed there."

Well, yeah. It happens. Especially for a rookie. And even more especially for a rookie who didn't come from some NFL passing academy college.

What doesn't happen is a rookie starting a season 11-1, maintaining a 108 QB rating, completing 68 percent of his passes, etc.
 
Dale said:
I don't have disdain for Risen's or anyone's admiration of Wentz as a prospect. I realize he's an Eagle and we are supposed to hate him, but that doesn't negate the fact that he is a fantastic prospect despite a ho-hum rookie season.

What I don't understand is grasping to an 8-month-old analysis of Dak when his NFL film is ripping apart his scouting report. I feel like for Risen and a select few others, they'd still say Dak is a marginal selection as a fourth-round pick if the draft were re-done today. It makes no sense to me.

I agree that Dak isn't an A-plus prospect in terms of size, arm strength, "pure" accuracy, etc. He's not the workout warrior guy who rises up draft boards because of the zip of his ball while wearing shorts. But he's shown he has MORE than functional NFL talent in all of those respects, to go along with off-the-charts intangibles -- the latter of which Risen seems to agree exist.

I've always been of the belief that I would take the guy with just-good-enough physical skills if he possesses the work ethic, the competitiveness, the leadership, the pocket presence, situational awareness, etc. I think we've landed that very prospect in Dak.

Give me that every day of the week over the guy with the rocket arm who you're constantly waiting on breaking through.
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Dale, you are a gem. One the very many on this board (we are very fortunate to have posters like you and Kaiser and all the others I follow, and more... but I digress). I completely agree with everything you said.

Still, it's hard to label Wentz at this point (relative to my QB labels I posted on a previous page somewhere), largely due to his rookie wall, and the lack of offensive talent surrounding him.

Dak is a phenom, I am certain of it. We still don't know if Wentz is an Alex Smith/Jeff Garcia. It is what it is, sorry, not sorry, Eagles Nation. A lot of this post is me hoping he is :)
 
Trouty said:
Dale, you are a gem. One the very many on this board (we are very fortunate to have posters like you and Kaiser and all the others I follow, and more... but I digress). I completely agree with everything you said.

Still, it's hard to label Wentz at this point (relative to my QB labels I posted on a previous page somewhere), largely due to his rookie wall, and the lack of offensive talent surrounding him.

Dak is a phenom, I am certain of it. We still don't know if Wentz is an Alex Smith/Jeff Garcia. It is what it is, sorry, not sorry, Eagles Nation.
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First, thank you. :) Love this community, especially in a sublime season like this.

I'm generally hesitant to hold too much against a rookie QB just because of the difficulty of the position. I like the way Wentz's arm pops off the screen, and I think he flashes pin-point accuracy -- while also mixing in a ton of costly overthrows. Also, when you really look at his short-game passing, his placement is regularly off, mitigating the yards after catch possibilities. His receivers are trash, but he has assisted on some of those drops.

Even with a guy like Goff, who displays some LOL moments on the field, I refuse to write off.

I'm willing to accept their struggles as the being part of the difficulty of playing the most important position in sports more so than a reflection of their ineptitude.

All of which leaves me in the same boat as you -- thinking we hit something really special with Dak.
 
Dale said:
Even with a guy like Goff, who displays some LOL moments on the field, I refuse to write off.
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Same here. I live in LA and its definitely not a "football town" but I laugh sometimes at fans here that rip on Goff for not playing like Dak Prescott. Prescott isn't lightning in a bottle, he is once in a lifetime lightning in a bottle.
 
Dale said:
First, thank you. :) Love this community, especially in a sublime season like this.

I'm generally hesitant to hold too much against a rookie QB just because of the difficulty of the position. I like the way Wentz's arm pops off the screen, and I think he flashes pin-point accuracy -- while also mixing in a ton of costly overthrows. Also, when you really look at his short-game passing, his placement is regularly off, mitigating the yards after catch possibilities. His receivers are trash, but he has assisted on some of those drops.

Even with a guy like Goff, who displays some LOL moments on the field, I refuse to write off.

I'm willing to accept their struggles as the being part of the difficulty of playing the most important position in sports more so than a reflection of their ineptitude.

All of which leaves me in the same boat as you -- thinking we hit something really special with Dak.
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Thank you, Dale, for such insight. I agree with everything you posted.

I suppose it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if "Carsus" is a hit (for the sake of healthy competition in the division; everyone seems to have a different outlook on it, tho), but I just want to have the better of the two, and perhaps that drives my narrative harder, and thus, am more critical of him :)
 
Kaiser said:
Same here. I live in LA and its definitely not a "football town" but I laugh sometimes at fans here that rip on Goff for not playing like Dak Prescott. Prescott isn't lightning in a bottle, he is once in a lifetime lightning in a bottle.
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I'm in LA, too, Kaiser!! :)

Goff looked horrid in preseason but has been surprisingly decent in regular season. I've watched him closely and have some threads on him in preseason game threads, snap by snap lol
 
Dale said:
I don't have in for Risen's or anyone's admiration of Wentz as a prospect. I realize he's an Eagle and we are supposed to hate him, but that doesn't negate the fact that he is a fantastic prospect despite a ho-hum rookie season.

What I don't understand is grasping to an 8-month-old analysis of Dak when his NFL film is ripping apart his scouting report. I feel like for Risen and a select few others, they'd still say Dak is a marginal selection as a fourth-round pick if the draft were re-done today. It makes no sense to me.

I agree that Dak isn't an A-plus prospect in terms of size, arm strength, "pure" accuracy, etc. He's not the workout warrior guy who rises up draft boards because of the zip of his ball while wearing shorts. But he's shown he has MORE than functional NFL talent in all of those respects, to go along with off-the-charts intangibles -- the latter of which Risen seems to agree exist.

I've always been of the belief that I would take the guy with just-good-enough physical skills if he possesses the work ethic, the competitiveness, the leadership, the pocket presence, situational awareness, etc. I think we've landed that very prospect in Dak.

Give me that every day of the week over the guy with the rocket arm who you're constantly waiting on breaking through.
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In essesnce, Dak is the Sean Lee of the offense (hopefully without the injury history).
 
Dale said:
What doesn't happen is a rookie starting a season 11-1, maintaining a 108 QB rating, completing 68 percent of his passes, etc.
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This drive, against that defense, in that environment, with Zeke on the sideline, fits squarely into that "etcetera."
 
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