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Rampage;2566392 said:
I agree about the run game hos. just look at the current playoff teams.

Tenn-run team
Baltimore-run team
Pitt-run team
SD-i'd say about even(will probably get eliminated tommorrow go chargers! go!)
NYG- run team
Philly-pass team(will probably get elinated tommorrow though i think they might win)
Carolina-run team
Arizona-pass team (that will probably get elininated tommorrow)
that's 5 running teams 2 passing teams and 1 i'd call even but slightly lean towards passing(chargers). coincidence?

Everyone thinks we can't run the ball, but we can. Our problem is that our coaching staff and players aren't patient. If we don't start out running the ball well, we seem to abandon it. Even when we had Emmitt in his prime, we didn't always run effectively in the first quarter or even the first half. The difference is we didn't give up on it. We kept running the ball and eventually we wore down the opposing defense. We're looking too much to the homerun ball/quick strike now, when the fact is, if you continue running the ball the big plays open up because the defense has to key on the run.
 

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Hostile;2566181 said:
I would definitely get rid of Owens. Not because he is a bad player, he isn't. Not by any wild stretch of the imagination.

Not because the fans and media are calling for it. Screw that. Who cares? I don't.

Not because it could drive Garrett or Sherman away. I'm the biggest Garrett shill on the forum. I have a serious agenda for him to be the next Head Coach.

There are three reasons why I would do this. Felix Jones, Marion Barber, and Tashard Choice.

I love ball control Offense. I love to pound the other team to death. I love to see the Defense getting rest while the Offense moves the chains.

Roy can be a #1, Austin #2, Crayton the #3. Witten is the best weapon in the passing attack anyway and Bennett could be utilized more.

The money saved could shore up the O-line which is badly needed. I'd like to spend on Defense so that they can be the attacking disruptive force I want. 59 sacks in 2008 was great, but they gave up too many points, too much yardage and wore down.

The payoff would be less distractions. Sorry Owens fans, but denying he is a distraction is wearing blinders. Guy is one hell of a football player, but he is high maintenance and what this team needs is a new focus. Ball control is the answer.

We'd still have some home run hitters with Roy, Austin and especially Felix.

We might score fewer points, in fact we probably would. But I'd trade that for a more focused, less distracted team that wins more and I think we'd win more in 2009 with Owens gone and a new focus on Offense.

It's just my opinion and you're free to disagree.


Actually Hos I'm inclined to agree, much as I like Owens and love what he brings to this team on the field, that this would certainly help us.

Even with Owens I'm hoping this team just makes him realise that running the ball more, and controling the games, are what's going to help him get his ring and they go out and do that anyway.

But if they had to get rid of him, to make that work, I wouldn't be upset with that at all.
 

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sorry Hostile, you can't pound the ball, if no one scares the Opponents defense...so your telling me that Roy Williams, Crayton, and Miles Austin instill fear on Defenses...PLEASE.....

Without Owens drawing so much coverage, we will consistently see 8 man in the BOX and our RB's will have a harder time
 

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Yea, like Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and the Giants have Hall of Fame receivers. Same with the Eagles (hell, most football fans couldn't give you their starters' names). Even without T.O. we have a very good receiving corp. They just need the ball thrown to them more.
 

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Star4Ever;2571799 said:
Yea, like Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and the Giants have Hall of Fame receivers. Same with the Eagles (hell, most football fans couldn't give you their starters' names). Even without T.O. we have a very good receiving corp. They just need the ball thrown to them more.
They have good coaching.. ;)

Edit: BTW, TO went out last year for several games with an injury, we couldn't move the ball. So I don't want to hear about Austin and the rest of these bums. If TO is gone, then go out and get at least some speed.
 

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landryscorner;2571796 said:
sorry Hostile, you can't pound the ball, if no one scares the Opponents defense...so your telling me that Roy Williams, Crayton, and Miles Austin instill fear on Defenses...PLEASE.....

Without Owens drawing so much coverage, we will consistently see 8 man in the BOX and our RB's will have a harder time
Marion Barber does. BIGG does. Flo when healthy does. Gurode does.

Who the WRs are is irrelevant to pounding the football.
 

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Hostile;2566181 said:
I would definitely get rid of Owens. Not because he is a bad player, he isn't. Not by any wild stretch of the imagination.

Not because the fans and media are calling for it. Screw that. Who cares? I don't.

Not because it could drive Garrett or Sherman away. I'm the biggest Garrett shill on the forum. I have a serious agenda for him to be the next Head Coach.

There are three reasons why I would do this. Felix Jones, Marion Barber, and Tashard Choice.

I love ball control Offense. I love to pound the other team to death. I love to see the Defense getting rest while the Offense moves the chains.

Roy can be a #1, Austin #2, Crayton the #3. Witten is the best weapon in the passing attack anyway and Bennett could be utilized more.

The money saved could shore up the O-line which is badly needed. I'd like to spend on Defense so that they can be the attacking disruptive force I want. 59 sacks in 2008 was great, but they gave up too many points, too much yardage and wore down.

The payoff would be less distractions. Sorry Owens fans, but denying he is a distraction is wearing blinders. Guy is one hell of a football player, but he is high maintenance and what this team needs is a new focus. Ball control is the answer.

We'd still have some home run hitters with Roy, Austin and especially Felix.

We might score fewer points, in fact we probably would. But I'd trade that for a more focused, less distracted team that wins more and I think we'd win more in 2009 with Owens gone and a new focus on Offense.

It's just my opinion and you're free to disagree.

I may not make this move but your argument makes about 100 more sense than anyone else's for doing so imho.


The only thing still holding me back is you tend to need game breakers at soem point and unless Felix is the real deal I am not sure we have that minus T.O.

RW has to do a heck of lot more before I trust him and Witten's life gets immediately more difficult sans T.O.

All that said I would like to see more ball control offense and if T.O. can't handle that (with little to suggest he can) he needs to go.
 

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Clove;2571804 said:
They have good coaching.. ;)

Edit: BTW, TO went out last year for several games with an injury, we couldn't move the ball. So I don't want to hear about Austin and the rest of these bums. If TO is gone, then go out and get at least some speed.

Last year Austin just wasn't ready. He is now. Also, we didn't have Roy Williams last year. I know, I know, he didn't do much this year, but we didn't exactly seem to try to get him involved very much. I think he will be a different player after an off-season and a training camp with the team. We also now have Felix Jones and Bennett. We've got much more offensive talent now than we did last year.
 

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Star4Ever;2571799 said:
Yea, like Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and the Giants have Hall of Fame receivers. Same with the Eagles (hell, most football fans couldn't give you their starters' names). Even without T.O. we have a very good receiving corp. They just need the ball thrown to them more.

Those teams do have good WRs btw.

Eags have Desean Jackson and Kevin Curtis. With both ont he field they actually score on offense and Brian Westbrook is basically a WR as well.

The Giants had Plaxico, Steve Smith and Amani Toomer. Lose Plaxico and they become quite ordinary on offense.

The Steelers have Hines Ward and spent a first round pick on the other WR but that young fast kid makes a big play for them weekly, just as Terence Newman.

The Ravens have crap after Mason but Mason is a trooper and they win games by forcing 3+ turnovers each game on defense.
 

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I didn't say they had bad receivers, just no where near great ones. You don't have to have great receivers to win in the playoffs. I'd put our receiving corp against any of those teams, and I mean with or without T.O., especially when you include Witten, Bennett, and our three headed RB attack. We simply have enough offensive weapons that having T.O. is not a necessity.
 

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Hostile;2571820 said:
Marion Barber does. BIGG does. Flo when healthy does. Gurode does.

Who the WRs are is irrelevant to pounding the football.

Personally, I think a lot of posters on here have the Jerry Jones Syndrome, i.e. you can't win in the NFL without shiny toys at every position. We have more than enough talent on offense to scare any defense. We just don't use it properly. When we realize that ball control (running the ball effectively and efficiently) rather than trying over and over to hit a homerun is the way to win, we will win again. Not until. Running the ball takes attitude and patience. We don't seem to have either.
 

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Hostile;2566181 said:
I would definitely get rid of Owens. Not because he is a bad player, he isn't. Not by any wild stretch of the imagination.

Not because the fans and media are calling for it. Screw that. Who cares? I don't.

Not because it could drive Garrett or Sherman away. I'm the biggest Garrett shill on the forum. I have a serious agenda for him to be the next Head Coach.

There are three reasons why I would do this. Felix Jones, Marion Barber, and Tashard Choice.

I love ball control Offense. I love to pound the other team to death. I love to see the Defense getting rest while the Offense moves the chains.

Roy can be a #1, Austin #2, Crayton the #3. Witten is the best weapon in the passing attack anyway and Bennett could be utilized more.

The money saved could shore up the O-line which is badly needed. I'd like to spend on Defense so that they can be the attacking disruptive force I want. 59 sacks in 2008 was great, but they gave up too many points, too much yardage and wore down.

The payoff would be less distractions. Sorry Owens fans, but denying he is a distraction is wearing blinders. Guy is one hell of a football player, but he is high maintenance and what this team needs is a new focus. Ball control is the answer.

We'd still have some home run hitters with Roy, Austin and especially Felix.

We might score fewer points, in fact we probably would. But I'd trade that for a more focused, less distracted team that wins more and I think we'd win more in 2009 with Owens gone and a new focus on Offense.

It's just my opinion and you're free to disagree.

What money saved?

The Cowboys have less money to spend if they release Owens.

Oh, and you can see how well this formula worked for the Giants this season. I think they might miss their "distraction WR."
 

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Hostile;2566216 said:
You would never hear me griping about going for Shanahan.

No matter who the coach is, TO has to either be gone or shut up. We will start winning again when he does. The more he talks, the more we're going to lose.

You should ban yourself for writing something this asinine.

Seriously. How can you type this and live with yourself?
 

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JordanTaber;2571954 said:
You should ban yourself for writing something this asinine.

Seriously. How can you type this and live with yourself?

since when is it asinine to speak the truth?
 

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Star4Ever;2571849 said:
Personally, I think a lot of posters on here have the Jerry Jones Syndrome, i.e. you can't win in the NFL without shiny toys at every position. We have more than enough talent on offense to scare any defense. We just don't use it properly. When we realize that ball control (running the ball effectively and efficiently) rather than trying over and over to hit a homerun is the way to win, we will win again. Not until. Running the ball takes attitude and patience. We don't seem to have either.

True dat. The problem is one of our shiny toys has lost its lustre. It tarnished itself for sure this past season. Why any QB would want to pass to a WR that drops the ball so often is beyond me.
 

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the kid 05;2571956 said:
since when is it asinine to speak the truth?

So you think that Owens talking is what causes the team to lose?

I really wonder if it ever occurs to people that his talking FOLLOWS the losses, rather than precipitates them.

There seems to be a problem with people's abilities to determine cause-and-effect...or chain of order.

The Cowboys blow a 13-3 lead to the Steelers and lose 20-13 and the problem isn't the fact that they blew a 13-3 lead and lost the game, it's that Terrell Owens is shouting on the sidelines, venting frustration over the loss to his receivers coach.

If Owens media distractions are so important, the Cowboys would've lost to the New York Giants after the whole Werder thing. But instead, they came out fired up and won 20-8.

Then when all that media stuff died down, they proceeded to lose to the Ravens and Eagles, ending their season.

Something doesn't quite add up here.
 

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I can't agree with Flacco protecting the ball.

I think it's more the coach protecting the ball. In the playoffs, they have limited him the same way they did against the Cowboys. They almost never let him pass the ball until they are around midfield, and if they do pass it in their end, it's something short with a roll out so he can throw it away.

They are extremely conservative because they trust their defense...they think nothing of running three times and punting.

At the half he was only 3 of 8, I think.

Our coaches may need to trust our defense more as well, but last year our defense was so bad early that we developed the attacking mentality on offense. By the end of the season, when the D was so great, we could have really controlled Romo's opportunities.
 

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wayne motley;2571992 said:
I can't agree with Flacco protecting the ball.

I think it's more the coach protecting the ball. In the playoffs, they have limited him the same way they did against the Cowboys. They almost never let him pass the ball until they are around midfield, and if they do pass it in their end, it's something short with a roll out so he can throw it away.

They are extremely conservative because they trust their defense...they think nothing of running three times and punting.

At the half he was only 3 of 8, I think.

Our coaches may need to trust our defense more as well, but last year our defense was so bad early that we developed the attacking mentality on offense. By the end of the season, when the D was so great, we could have really controlled Romo's opportunities.

Good point. The key to winning is playing great defense and running the ball. We need to pass the ball and to use all of our receivers, but running the ball need to be a priority. Ball control results in fewer penalties and fewer turnovers. It also results in fewer three and outs and puts our defense in better field position.
 

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Hostile;2566181 said:
There are three reasons why I would do this. Felix Jones, Marion Barber, and Tashard Choice.

I love ball control Offense. I love to pound the other team to death. I love to see the Defense getting rest while the Offense moves the chains.

Two words: Plaxico Burress

Look at the Giants offense (running game) with Plaxico, look at them without.

Remember how great their running backs thought they were (Earth, Wind, and Fire) Now they Dead-Meat, Roadkill, and Filet-O-Fish. Roy Williams =! TO. The question is, can you get TO to put for the effort he used to play with because he doesn't play with that same effort anymore.

btw, my idea of a SuperBowl team is MONSTER defense and ball control. (smash mouth running game) If you have those two, you will be one of the last four standing teams in your conference every year.
 

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JordanTaber;2571954 said:
You should ban yourself for writing something this asinine.

Seriously. How can you type this and live with yourself?
Learn the game, then talk to me. Until then try this crap with someone else.
 
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