Projected BCS standings? OU # 1 per ESPN

[switzersflask]

You are absolutely positively on dope. BSU or even TCU could probably beat OU, Texas, and Nebraska on any given Saturday, but the BCS clan is to afraid to even give them a shot at doing it.

I remember they got enough nads to pit 2008 Alabama against Utah thinking Alabama would win that game easily and what happen. Alabama got thrashed by Utah.

You've got bias blinders on.

Then Boise should get 'Bama on their schedule! Bama basically said they'll have some of that.

 

[Doomsday101]

Then Boise should get 'Bama on their schedule! Bama basically said they'll have some of that.

Boise has tried to get better teams to play them. Main thing is when they have had the chance to play good teams they have done very well. How well could they fair in a stronger conferance I think they would stand a chance. What makes a program is the people in charge of the program from the AD to the HC going out and getting the kids. If they played in a bigger conferance they would get more air time on national TV and when you get the attention kids tend to want to go to that school.

 

[YosemiteSam]

One poster said it's basically nice for BSU that they only play big time programs when they have at least a month to prepare. They struggled against a not so good Va Tech. You think they can go through the entire Big XII with only a week to prepare for each team? If you do, then please, pass me that dope!

They have yet to prove that they can do what I'm saying they can't do. All they've shown is that they can compete with anyone as long as it's one game per year.

It seems to me that your argument to me is that they can and have beaten big programs. Duh! I'm not arguing that. If you think they can go through an entire season in the Big XII or Pac Ten or SEC unscathed, then damn, I don't know what else to say. I just wish it would happen so we can all see what happens when you put a pretender in there with the big guys week after week after week after week after week after week after week.

Stop trying to misdirect and tell me why he is off his rocker and they couldn't beat OU.

Then Boise should get 'Bama on their schedule! Bama basically said they'll have some of that.

Sure, let them play Alabama. Hell, lets put absolute terror into you. Lets let them or even TCU play OU.

 

[switzersflask]

Stop trying to misdirect and tell me why they couldn't beat OU.



Sure, let them play Alabama. Hell, lets put absolute terror into you. Lets let them or even TCU play OU.

Ok. After that, let's let them play South Carolina, then Tennessee, then Ole Miss, then Florida, then Auburn. You still think they're undefeated?

And what are you talking about? I don't think I've said they couldn't beat OU once. They've obviously proven they can.

 

[switzersflask]

Boise has tried to get better teams to play them. Main thing is when they have had the chance to play good teams they have done very well. How well could they fair in a stronger conferance I think they would stand a chance. What makes a program is the people in charge of the program from the AD to the HC going out and getting the kids. If they played in a bigger conferance they would get more air time on national TV and when you get the attention kids tend to want to go to that school.

I would certainly like to see them get that chance.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would certainly like to see them get that chance.

As would I. I'm not going to dog them when I have seen them play the bigger schools and hold their own. They can only control so much if other schools do not want to schedule games with them then Boise can't force them to do it.

 

[switzersflask]

As would I. I'm not going to dog them when I have seen them play the bigger schools and hold their own. They can only control so much if other schools do not want to schedule games with them then Boise can't force them to do it.

They have stipulations with those offers to play bigger programs. Those stipulations cost the universities that they are courting a lot of cash and nobody's gonna pony up the dough for them.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Utah in the Pac Ten. It's no secret that The Utes have a far superior athletics program than Boise, and IMO, on about the same page as them in football. They may have more resources to go out and get better athletes than BSU though. The reason I say they are superior athletically is because they have been known to throw some pretty good basketball teams out there, and that's what the BCS conferences are looking for. They want more than just a one sport pop with low academic standards.

Do you think Utah continues to throw out BCS NC contending teams in the Pac Ten? It's going to be very interesting to see. I'm pretty sure they'll show up and compete very well in hoops. Football? Don't know. I think they'll be fun to watch. Probably on a yearly level like Stanford. Middle of the pack type team.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

They have stipulations with those offers to play bigger programs. Those stipulations cost the universities that they are courting a lot of cash and nobody's gonna pony up the dough for them.

Well according to our AD, when Utah canceled the three game series BSU offered a 1 game series, no travel, to everyone, no takers, including Alabama so it depends on who you believe I guess. It isn't about BSU demanding stipulations, it is BSU demanding normal market value. They got VT only by agreeing to a "neutral" site... lol like fed ex was neutral, that would be like scheduling OU as neutral in Arlington. Your not even arguing to be right anymore, you appear to be arguing solely for the sake to be arguing.

Let's talk about being able to play these demanding schedules, who has OU played? How hard has your schedule been? I see that you used the SEC in your scenario instead of the Big 12. The caliber of teams in the Big 12 or the SEC or the Pac-10 is definitely better than the WAC, nobody is arguing that, however, Boise can only play who is on their schedule, they do have issues scheduling whether you want to believe that or not, and whether you think that they should play for free or under any circumstance or not, the real world doesn't work that way. They already get a smaller share of the BCS bowl money, they cannot afford to take a hit outside of conference games as well. Boise is not a large market and they do have a responsibility to not bankrupt the University to pay their way into a harder schedule.

If BSU was in the SEC would they run the table? Probably not, but I seriously doubt that they would have 5 losses either. With OU's schedule, I see them running that lineup. Since this is all hypothetical it doesn't really matter anyway, it comes down to what my personal opinion is. I personally think TCU runs the table with OU's schedule this year. I notice you once again fail to answer a direct question though. More side stepping. Good show!

 

[switzersflask]

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Nebraska+Boise+State+two+for

Why should anyone pay Boise $1 Million?

And you think BSU would run OU's lineup? lol argument over.

I'll agree that BSU is good and nobody can deny the fact that they have beaten some prominent football teams, within the span of half a decade. They are an up and coming ballteam and they are a lot of fun to watch.

However, there's no way in hell they run anything in any big time conference. I would love for them to prove me wrong. I'd love to admit that I'm wrong if proven wrong.

Perhaps we'll get a chance to play you in the BCS NC game. If you beat us, I will bow down to you and never open my mouth again, but you will get rolled by 35 if it were to come down to that.

You guys won't lose because all you have to do is be awake to play the junior high clubs on your schedule. WE'll try and do our part to meet up with you flukes in January, so that you can have another month to prepare for a real team, and we'll be ready to dominate you and send you back to JUCO where you belong.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Nebraska+Boise+State+two+for

Why should anyone pay Boise $1 Million?

Did you actually click on any of the links?

The first one talks about the offer, no money mentioned, but it does proves my contention that NU wanted a 2-1 deal not that BSU wanted the 2-1 deal like you claimed. Hmmm so that's 1 for me 0 for you.

The next two are blogs that discuss Boise wanting 1m to play in Lincoln. Well let's see the Huskers just paid the Idaho Vandals 900k to play in Lincoln. Can we agree that BSU is larger draw than the Vandals? So 1m is not unreasonable.

What it boils down to, is schools feel like they can hold BSU hostage to play for little or no money because they know that BSU needs them far more than the big schools need BSU. It is a business decision on their part. I am not casting blame on either side, but you cannot hold one side blameless and fault the other. Well I guess you can, but it makes you a hypocrite.

Yes, I do see BSU running OU's schedule, Cincy, UofU, AirForce, Florida State and the Big 12 are not that all unbeatable to me. Texas and Missouri are solid clubs, you have a pretty significant drop in talent after that. Is it harder than BSU schedule? Without a doubt it is, but that is the crux of our disagreement, whether or not the "turds" from Idaho could hang with the all mighty, all powerful Sooners?

 

[switzersflask]

Did you actually click on any of the links?

The first one talks about the offer, no money mentioned, but it does proves my contention that NU wanted a 2-1 deal not that BSU wanted the 2-1 deal like you claimed. Hmmm so that's 1 for me 0 for you.

The next two are blogs that discuss Boise wanting 1m to play in Lincoln. Well let's see the Huskers just paid the Idaho Vandals 900k to play in Lincoln. Can we agree that BSU is larger draw than the Vandals? So 1m is not unreasonable.

What it boils down to, is schools feel like they can hold BSU hostage to play for little or no money because they know that BSU needs them far more than the big schools need BSU. It is a business decision on their part. I am not casting blame on either side, but you cannot hold one side blameless and fault the other. Well I guess you can, but it makes you a hypocrite.

Yes, I do see BSU running OU's schedule, Cincy, UofU, AirForce, Florida State and the Big 12 are not that all unbeatable to me. Texas and Missouri are solid clubs, you have a pretty significant drop in talent after that. Is it harder than BSU schedule? Without a doubt it is, but that is the crux of our disagreement, whether or not the "turds" from Idaho could hang with the all mighty, all powerful Sooners?

Boise State is better than a lot of teams in the Big XII, but when you have to compete week in and week out against teams with the talent of the teams in this conference, it's just not that easy.

And if I were Boise State, I would accept the Nebraska offer for a 2-1.

 

[Rogah]

Boise State is gonna have to do what OU had to do over a half a century ago. Back in the dust bowl days, OU was nothing but a Boise State look-a-like. We earned our keep. Now they should earn their keep. OU was nobody, and then romped through the CFB world and set the greatest winning streak in all of college SPORTS.

What has BSU done? Beat a few teams in a 5 year span? They have some work to do if they want to earn some serious respect.

Again, you gotta start somewhere, but BSU is acting like they've been doing it for decades.

What does this comment even mean? What does it mean to "act like they've been doing it for decades?"

Call me crazy, but when figuring out this year's National Championship game, I don't think the BCS should consider things that happened in 1955. BSU was undefeated last year. If they go undefeated again this year, it would be an injustice not to get a chance at a title. If they lose, they have no one to blame but themselves. If they win, they should get a chance.

 

[Rogah]

How much do you think Alabama paid Penn St?

I believe Alabama and Penn State was a simple home and home series, so I don't think there are any payments (certainly not any large ones) involved when that happens.

 

[switzersflask]

What does this comment even mean? What does it mean to "act like they've been doing it for decades?"

Call me crazy, but when figuring out this year's National Championship game, I don't think the BCS should consider things that happened in 1955. BSU was undefeated last year. If they go undefeated again this year, it would be an injustice not to get a chance at a title. If they lose, they have no one to blame but themselves. If they win, they should get a chance.

I was just saying that everyone has to start somewhere. OU had the same problems back in the good ole days that Boise is having today.

You have to earn respect, and Boise State is doing a dang good job at getting that respect.

 

[Rogah]

I don't think much of Oregon as a power. They are a good program, but it is not as if they have been a consistent top 10 team.

For bowl games, I can see where it is easier for BSU to get amped for a bowl game against OU than it is for OU to get amped for a bowl game against BSU. You tell kids if they go to OU that they will get to the big bowl games and play against the top competition. Playing against BSU would be a let down. At least back at the time the two teams played. I think that is less a factor now because BSU is consistently a good program.

This sounds like a complaint we always hear from Notre Dame fans: "It's so tough to be us because everyone always gets amped to play us and we can't be amped every week!"

It was a BCS Bowl, the Fiesta. Broadcast live coast to coast in primetime on New Year's Day. If you can't get amped for that, then that's your problem, not your opponent's.

 

[Dallas]

What does this comment even mean? What does it mean to "act like they've been doing it for decades?"

Call me crazy, but when figuring out this year's National Championship game, I don't think the BCS should consider things that happened in 1955. BSU was undefeated last year. If they go undefeated again this year, it would be an injustice not to get a chance at a title. If they lose, they have no one to blame but themselves. If they win, they should get a chance.

BS. The SOS of BSU is laughable. That is the thing that keeps them out and yes I know Jack hates hearing it but he should write his state congressman over it because its fact.

Dancing through a cinderella schedule and automatically being put into a NC game or BCS bowl because you have zero losses is WRONG when these other juggernaut universities play bigger better badder teams.

Wrong wrong wrong and there is nothing you can say to deter my opinion on the matter.

Playoff system fine but not the way things are atm. I wish I could line up 10 pathetic schools for Oklahoma year in and year out and get an auto bid to the NC game cuz we steamrolled Utah State-Hawaii-Sac State-New Mexico State-Fresno State.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

I believe Alabama and Penn State was a simple home and home series, so I don't think there are any payments (certainly not any large ones) involved when that happens.

There weren't but there is TV revenue which is split, in the 2-1 series there was no TV revenue split, BSU cannot afford to travel and receive no split of either TV, gate or travel. That is why BSU turned the deal down, it wasn't so much as a bad deal, as it was a slap in the face.

For the Huskers, they can afford to pay and Idaho or San Jose state 900k like Bama did becuase they clear so much on their gate. That is why these smaller schools schedule the big schools to begin with. When OU and Florida State schedule each other, it isn't to bolster their OOC schedule, their conference is strong enough for that, they do it because the TV revenue is massive. They generate millions for their clubs which keeps those programs on top.

BSU is in a unique position, they are in a crappy conference, no question, but there is little incentive for BCS schools to schedule them. They do not have a large enough fan base to draw huge TV ratings that generate the big dollars from the major networks, and they are good enough that they can compete with any school in the country. Why risk your own NC aspirations to schedule them? They are in a quagmire, and until they either get into an AQ conference, or until we get a playoff system they have the same problem. The MWC helps, especially if TCU stays. Since most experts are now saying that TCU bolting for the Big East is unlikely than this problem is eased somewhat for both TCU and BSU. TCU is not as affected since they are in a much larger market, but they still have the weak conference issue which could have been eradicated if Utah would have stayed put.

 

[Rogah]

One poster said it's basically nice for BSU that they only play big time programs when they have at least a month to prepare. They struggled against a not so good Va Tech. You think they can go through the entire Big XII with only a week to prepare for each team? If you do, then please, pass me that dope!

Don't look now, but after the James Madison debacle, VA Tech has quietly slipped back into the top-25 and looks to be headed to the ACC Champsionship game.

It seems to me that your argument to me is that they can and have beaten big programs. Duh! I'm not arguing that. If you think they can go through an entire season in the Big XII or Pac Ten or SEC unscathed, then damn, I don't know what else to say. I just wish it would happen so we can all see what happens when you put a pretender in there with the big guys week after week after week after week after week after week after week.

I don't this BSU is talented enough to go through an SEC schedule undefeated. But ya know what? Neither is Alabama or Florida or (I predict) LSU or Auburn. I just don't see any dominant powers this year and wouldn't be surprised to see all the BCS schools have at least one loss.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

BS. The SOS of BSU is laughable. That is the thing that keeps them out and yes I know Jack hates hearing it but he should write his state congressman over it because its fact.

Dancing through a cinderella schedule and automatically being put into a NC game or BCS bowl because you have zero losses is WRONG when these other juggernaut universities play bigger better badder teams.

Wrong wrong wrong and there is nothing you can say to deter my opinion on the matter.

Playoff system fine but not the way things are atm. I wish I could line up 10 pathetic schools for Oklahoma year in and year out and get an auto bid to the NC game cuz we steamrolled Utah State-Hawaii-Sac State-New Mexico State-Fresno State.

The point is though, I am not arguing that with you. I understand that argument. I do not think that they should jump over a one loss SEC team. No one is saying that their schedule is hard, it isn't, but the fact remains that their scheduling isn't just solely on their shoulders, and it shouldn't rest solely at their feet.

Either go to a playoff, or the FBS needs to get involved in scheduling, either way would answer a lot of these issues.

While I admit that my opinion that they could run the table with OU's schedule has homer written all over it, it is just as unprovable as saying they would have 5 losses. All I can draw off of is a body of about 5 years and what they have done this year. I will freely admit that I could be seriously wrong about this team, I was dead wrong about Oregon.

 

[Rogah]

Did you actually click on any of the links?

I was wondering the same thing myself. I never heard of lmgtfy.com and loved the little intro (and you can bet I'll be using that site myself in the future). :laugh2:

But then when I clicked on some of the actual links - especially that first one - it didn't really support his argument.