Props to Dak

TheMarathonContinues

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I defended him for years until the last 49ers playoff loss. The 49ers loss this year was just further proof. That being said, he wasn't why we lost to the Eagles. He had a good game. He's typically a good regular season QB. Yes, he chokes against playoff-caliber teams, especially in the playoffs, but he's a regular season stat-machine.

He won't get us to the promised land. But he's not at fault for the most recent loss.
You mean he chokes against the 49ers…$3 hasn’t choked against playoff caliber teams what are the Eagles?
 

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Despite the usual bile from some of the haters on this forum, Dak played awesome, he easily outplayed Hurts.

This one is on the o-line, particularly Steele, who is a revolving door if I've ever seen one.
He was good...until crunch time, when his eyes opened up like saucers and he made multiple crucial mistakes.
 

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You mean he chokes against the 49ers…$3 hasn’t choked against playoff caliber teams what are the Eagles?
I was referring to regular season games against other playoff caliber teams over the past several seasons. He never chokes against division rivals. He excels against them.
 

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I dont know why the defense is getting a pas here, its feast or famine with them... they have quitly let teams score TD's almost every possession that gets to the redzone..
Conceding 28 points to a team with a strong offense and an 8-1 record is manageable if the offense is good enough. By way of comparison Washington put up 31 points on the Eagles x 2 whilst the Chiefs D conceded 35 points against them in the Superbowl...and still won.

The Cowboys offense put up 23 points. It just isn't going to get it done against decent teams.
 

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I was referring to regular season games against other playoff caliber teams over the past several seasons. He never chokes against division rivals. He excels against them.
So we exclude the Eagles who have been good the last 3 years lol….
 

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So we exclude the Eagles who have been good the last 3 years lol….
Your point? Division rival games in any division are usually hard fought. I'm not saying Dak is terrible. He just folds at a certain pressure level and has more often since his ankle break. He gets into his own head too much. He has the physical ability. Mark my words, he'll never get us to the SB. (That's obviously not all on him, but he doesn't have the mentality to get those around him to step up and he often steps down to their level as well.)
 

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Your point? Division rival games in any division are usually hard fought. I'm not saying Dak is terrible. He just folds at a certain pressure level and has more often since his ankle break. He gets into his own head too much. He has the physical ability. Mark my words, he'll never get us to the SB. (That's obviously not all on him, but he doesn't have the mentality to get those around him to step up and he often steps down to their level as well.)
He doesn’t have the mentality but Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Cam Newton, Brad Johnson and Rex Grossman did?
 

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He doesn’t have the mentality but Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Cam Newton, Brad Johnson and Rex Grossman did?
But you cant just ignore the two SF Playoff losses and now the Phil game (along with his dreadful, trailing with >2min stats), he is the constant in all of this (whilst granted there are other factors at play). There is SOMETHING in his 'make-up' that contributes to this inability to overcome the end of game 'clutch' woes.....indeed if you want we can call it 'bad luck' but even in that case id prefer a QB who's got luck, over one that's talented by unlucky.

This was the year to prove it, yes he's close, but realistically (CAP wise) he's not getting a better chance and if he cant cant do it now (AND, YES, HE STILL HAS A CHANCE), then the clock is at midnight.

If you've got a plan, im quite willing to listen, I just cant see it.
 

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All we keep being told by the so called experts and many delusional or willfully blind fans is , Dak isnt good or elite. But when u look at the facts, HE IS VERY VERY GOOD, yet somehow Herbert spreads feces like fertilizer last 3 weeks and he is considered elite? Despite what we see. Missing WIDE OPEN GUYS Routinely. The mighty Jets should have won that game against the Chargers if they had an NFL QB.. Herbert was feces. Hes been consistently overrated and jag the last 3 weeks. Btw, what did Dak do against the Jets when we beat them? Facts are nasty things when a certain narrative is being Promoted. Im proud of Dak. Hes really stepped it up.
 

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All we keep being told by the so called experts and many delusional or willfully blind fans is , Dak isnt good or elite. But when u look at the facts, HE IS VERY VERY GOOD, yet somehow Herbert spreads feces like fertilizer last 3 weeks and he is considered elite? Despite what we see. Missing WIDE OPEN GUYS Routinely. The mighty Jets should have won that game against the Chargers if they had an NFL QB.. Herbert was feces. Hes been consistently overrated and jag the last 3 weeks. Btw, what did Dak do against the Jets when we beat them? Facts are nasty things when a certain narrative is being Promoted. Im proud of Dak. Hes really stepped it up.
Difference is Herbert has played behind a gash offensive line for the entirety of his career as has Josh Allen. When they have time to throw/make plays they ball out.

Whilst people continually moan about the Cowboys' offensive line, by way of comparison Prescott has generally played behind a brick wall over his career.

That's why people judge Prescott more harshly.

Daniel Jones gets so much criticism on here and yes, he obviously isn't elite but come on look at the state of the offensive line he has played behind for his career - it even retired two time Superbowl Champion Eli Manning.

Most quarterbacks in the league would have balled out behind the Cowboys' o-line over the past 8 years in comparison to what they have at their disposal.
 

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Difference is Herbert has played behind a gash offensive line for the entirety of his career as has Josh Allen. When they have time to throw/make plays they ball out.

Whilst people continually moan about the Cowboys' offensive line, by way of comparison Prescott has generally played behind a brick wall over his career.

That's why people judge Prescott more harshly.

Daniel Jones gets so much criticism on here and yes, he obviously isn't elite but come on look at the state of the offensive line he has played behind for his career - it even retired two time Superbowl Champion Eli Manning.

Most quarterbacks in the league would have balled out behind the Cowboys' o-line over the past 8 years in comparison to what they have at their disposal.
Dak isnt the reason why we get beat in big games. Its because The Joneses wont take that extra step to get us over the top. Then factor in the refs then u have almost 0 chance to win big games unless we blow teams out.
 

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Dak isnt the reason why we get beat in big games. Its because The Joneses wont take that extra step to get us over the top. Then factor in the refs then u have almost 0 chance to win big games unless we blow teams out.
What are the extra steps that should have been taken by the front office?
Trade for Derrick Henry? I agree in principle but it depends what they would have had to give up for him.

It was a major blunder signing Gallup over Cooper. Huge mistake. Lamb, Cooper and Ferguson - Cowboys would be cooking on gas!
 

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Extra 25% in coaching that Andy Reid gives.
No doubt Reid is a better coach but at some point you have to ask yourselves if you really believe that not a single coach in his entire football career has taught him the basics of time management, not taking sacks, knowing when you have to take a chance, etc..

Or is the player just not capable of executing at a high level when the pressure is on?
 

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Dak isnt the reason why we get beat in big games. Its because The Joneses wont take that extra step to get us over the top. Then factor in the refs then u have almost 0 chance to win big games unless we blow teams out.
I have to disagree. Even in games like Sunday where it's fair to say he played pretty well for most of the game, the little things that he didn't do became the difference. It's not giving a better effort on the 2 pt conversion, determining he was throwing to the sideline (Tolbert?) with Fergy running wide open, throwing the ball 9 feet high rather than giving Tolbert a chance, taking sacks that could have been avoided, etc.. The QB's who get it done, aren't perfect but they don't leave as much on the bone. That is precisely why they are able to pull the games out.

Our roster over the years should have gotten further. With a QB who does the above better, they would have.
 
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