Pulling the trigger

[Sydla]

But why would the Falcons pay Dak all that money when they could just take a QB at 8 themselves?

I am not saying they would or would not but there is a bit of logic here. If they somehow hire Belichick, there's a decent enough chance he wants a vet QB. Do you think he's going to want to hold a young QBs hand for 2-3 years and have no guarantee that kid will end up actually being good? A guy like Dak might interest him. Plus Arthur Blank apparently also wants to win now hence his big interest in Belichick.

I mean it's all conjecture anyway. Dak has a NTC and who knows if he'd waive it for anyone. Atlanta hasn't even hired BB either.

 

[Sydla]

Dak has a no trade clause. They would have to sign him to a new contract that doesn't have the clause and trade him than.
Your not getting a high first for Dak.

Not really.

Dak could simply waive his NTC under the current contract. This isn't unique. Russell Wilson had a full NTC and he waived it to get traded to Denver.

 

[Jumbo075]

Don’t think the falcons take up that offer. Then you need to know BB thoughts on Dak.

Belichick’s window is small. He’s 72 years old, and he wants Shula’s record more than he wants another Super Bowl win. With the rest of their roster, Dak can get him that record in the next two seasons. They can manipulate their Cap space to extend Dak, and the Cowboys take the hit this year for his past bonuses. I would ask for their #1&2 picks in 2024, and another #2 pick in 2025. Then trade Trey Lance to the Vikings for the #11 pick.

Then the Cowboys can trade the #8, #11 and #56 pick to Chicago, and keep the #24 and #43 pick in 2024, plus have two #2 picks in the 2025 draft.

Time to start again for the Cowboys.

This would also likely mean that McCarthy gets dumped, and the Cowboys start over with a new coaching staff. If they can get Jim Harbaugh to come to Dallas, and give him a clean slate, he just might go for that.

I would also consider trading Micah Parsons if someone wants to back up the draft pick Brinks truck. If the Cowboys make the commitment to rebuild, might as well go all in. Jerry did it before when he traded away Herschel Walker. Why not do it again?

 

[jwitten82]

Look I expect Dak to be back next season,but don't extend him, put pressure on him. Make training camp a competition between him and Lance, but don't reward him after the failure we just had.

 

[Sydla]

If we release or trade Dak either Lance or a FA QB will be our starting QB. Are you ok with that? And would that constitute an upgrade at the position? Not saying it is or isn’t just asking as I don’t really know what the solution is right now.

Absolutely I'd be OK with seeing what Lance has and/or drafting a QB.

I've seen what Dak is. It's good. But it's not great and banking on him becoming a force in the playoffs, as the Dallas QB, seems like a reach at this point given the resume.

We need change.

 

[Ken]

Hilarious this thread is still going on based on a false fact.

Even funnier is all of the casuals trading dak for a ham sandwich.

Carry on.

 

[Sydla]

Belichick’s window is small. He’s 72 years old, and he wants Shula’s record more than he wants another Super Bowl win. With the rest of their roster, Dak can get him that record in the next two seasons. They can manipulate their Cap space to extend Dak, and the Cowboys take the hit this year for his past bonuses. I would ask for their #1&2 picks in 2024, and another #2 pick in 2025. Then trade Trey Lance to the Vikings for the #11 pick.

Then the Cowboys can trade the #8, #11 and #56 pick to Chicago, and keep the #24 and #43 pick in 2024, plus have two #2 picks in the 2025 draft.

Time to start again for the Cowboys.

You went from unlikely with that Falcons proposed trade to the utterly ridiculous thinking you could get the 11th pick for Trey Lance.

That would be the greatest return in NFL history. Turn a 4th round pick into a Top 12 pick and the QB never even played a down for you.

 

[32BellyOption]

Absolutely I'd be OK with seeing what Lance has and/or drafting a QB.

I've seen what Dak is. It's good. But it's not great and banking on him becoming a force in the playoffs, as the Dallas QB, seems like a reach at this point given the resume.

We need change.

And that’s fine. There’s probably a lot of fans that feel that way. But would you be ok with a losing season for a year or two? That’s a real possibility with Lance or a rookie.

 

[GMO415]

yea the problem is no matter what he say i do not think jerry want to win a super bowl (with a good smart coach like jimmy)

i think every one should saw it when garrett was here FOREVER

jerry is ok with being a loser so he wont move off dak or mccarthy…two dumb people who do dumb stuff because they are both dumb and so is jerry and stephen so none of them can see how dumb the other are

jerry is only ok with crap so if they do ever fluke a super bowl he will get all the credit unlike when jimmy carry him and every one knowed who the brain was

Jerry is profitable with a "good enough" team. He doesn't have to create an "excellent" team to turn a profit. So, he figures why burn a bunch of calories to assemble a new culture when it won't make him more money.

 

[Whyjerry]

Oh, Dak is a big part of the problem. Tape don’t lie.

I guess Romo was too. All the coaches. All the coordinators.

One constant in the 30 years. That grotesque clown in the owners box.

 

[Sydla]

Look I expect Dak to be back next season,but don't extend him, put pressure on him. Make training camp a competition between him and Lance, but don't reward him after the failure we just had.

Here's the problem. His cap hit next year.

It makes it tough to do anything to improve the roster. We also don't have as many picks as we normally do in this draft.

So if they want to keep Dak, they are absolutely going to have to do something with his contract. Or, just run it back with what they have and bunch of cheap as hell, total JAGs filling out the roster. That's a recipe for disaster.

 

[Sydla]

And that’s fine. There’s probably a lot of fans that feel that way. But would you be ok with a losing season for a year or two? That’s a real possibility with Lance or a rookie.

Absolutely. I am not afraid of taking some lumps to try to get better than what we are.

 

[Sydla]

Hilarious this thread is still going on based on a false fact.

Even funnier is all of the casuals trading dak for a ham sandwich.

Carry on.

Equally as funny as thinking bringing back Dak is a smart move.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jared Goff took the Rams to the Super Bowl early in his career. The Rams dumped him anyway shortly after that.

Carson Wentz was an MVP candidate the year the Eagles won the Super Bowl, and has a Super Bowl ring. But he was replaced by Nick Foles during the season when he got injured, and not long afterward, the Eagles spent a 2nd round pick on Jalen Hurts. Carson was unceremoniously dumped on the Colts soon afterward.

Alex Smith was taking the Chiefs to the playoffs, but Andy Reid still moved up in the draft to pick Patrick Mahomes.

Drew Bledsoe had just become the highest paid QB in the NFL, but Belichick elevated Tom Brady over him. Like Wentz, Bledsoe has a Super Bowl ring, but not as the starting QB.

Dan Majkowski (the Magic Man) was a more than serviceable starter for the Packers, but they traded for Brett Favre, and when Majkowski went down in game 3, Favre never relinquished the starting role until after he set the record for most consecutive games. Then, the Packers dumped the #1 QB in NFL history for Aaron Rodgers. Then the Packers repeated the process, dumping Aaron Rodgers for Jordan Love.

Tom Landry and the Cowboys spent the 5th overall in 1965 for QB Craig Morton. Like Goff, he started a Super Bowl his team lost. Less than a year later, the Cowboys sent him to the bench in favor of Roger Staubach. Morton later started another Super Bowl against the Cowboys - and lost to his former team.

DFW native Tommy Kramer had a breakout season for the Steelers as their starting QB in 2003. That didn’t stop the Steelers from spending a top 15 pick on Ben Roethlisberger in 2004, where he promptly went undefeated as a starter for 15 games as a rookie, while Kramer looked on from the sidelines.

Robert Griffin III was rookie of the year in 2012, beating out Andrew Luck for the honor. A couple of seasons later, Kirk Cousins was the starter, and RGIII never again played as well as he did n his rookie year.

I’m not saying Dak is a bad QB. I think he’s a very, very good QB. But it’s not unprecedented to move on from a good QB - even a Super Bowl QB. Morton, Bledsoe and Goff were all Super Bowl starters quickly dumped by their teams when something better came along. Both Favre and Rodgers won Super Bowls, but their teams weren’t afraid to move on.

Just saying…

You don’t have to hate Dak, or think he’s an awful QB yo come to a decision that he’s had enough chances in Dallas. If Atlanta is willing to give up the 8th pick, plus a couple of other high picks, and Dak would like to help Belichick surpass Don Shula’s win total, I make that trade, and start over at QB. The Cowboys can let Trey Lance battle it out with another top 10 draft pick for the right to be the next Dallas QB.

Its not about "chances". Either you think you can win or you can't. Its that simple. i think we've hit our wall in regards to what we can do with Dak at the helm. But if the Cowboys feel they haven't then its a no brainer you keep him.

 

[Sydla]

I guess Romo was too. All the coaches. All the coordinators.

One constant in the 30 years. That grotesque clown in the owners box.

Jerry is a boob but he's not the one forcing Dak to poop the bed in the big games. He didn't force Dak to throw that pick 6, for example.

Jerry's flaws manifest themselves in things like extending Dak and keeping him around when it's clear we probably need a change of direction.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Equally as funny as thinking bringing back Dak is a smart move.

Its not a dumb move though. Bring him back and build a team around him. Will it work? Probably not. But its not anymore dumb then the crowd that wants to rebuild and start from scratch with Jerry at the top as if the results will change.

 

[Ken]

Equally as funny as thinking bringing back Dak is a smart move.

Ya...why would a team bring back a guy who is an all pro.....


Blasphemy lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jerry is a boob but he's not the one forcing Dak to poop the bed in the big games. He didn't force Dak to throw that pick 6, for example.

Jerry's flaws manifest themselves in things like extending Dak and keeping him around when it's clear we probably need a change of direction.

Well who the hell drafted Dak? Or signed him? That's all the same man lol. Same one who signed Romo and extended him. Same one who drafted Quincy Carter. Same one who tried to draft Paxton Lynch...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ya...why would a team bring back a guy who is an all pro.....


Blasphemy lol

It does sound crazy when you say it out loud lol. Get rid of a 2nd team all pro QB in favor of....who?

 

[Ken]

Its not about "chances". Either you think you can win or you can't. Its that simple. i think we've hit our wall in regards to what we can do with Dak at the helm. But if the Cowboys feel they haven't then its a no brainer you keep him.

We've hit our wall huh?

Not sure if you noticed or not....the defense was an absolute seive vs the Pack.

The guy who hit the wall had 450 total yards