Pulling the trigger

[32BellyOption]

Absolutely. I am not afraid of taking some lumps to try to get better than what we are.

Question is is Jerry Jones ok with that? Unfortunately we know the answer to that and for that reason Dak is very likely to be here for the foreseeable future. But yea, I too would be ok with moving on from Dak and moving other high profile players out for picks to retool. You can rebuild quickly in this league and teams do it all the time.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

We've hit our wall huh?

Not sure if you noticed or not....the defense was an absolute seive vs the Pack.

The guy who hit the wall had 450 total yards

You are actually serious with this post?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Here me out…

Dak isn’t the problem. Jerry is. Then it will be Stevie. If they cut Dak this team will win 6 games next year. Probably 4/5 the next. They will be able to draft a good QB then. Add a good young coach. Ratchet up hope again to what? Divisional Round failure. Sadly that’s the bar here folks. The Jones taint is strong.

Dak can;t play from behind. That is certainly a problem, among others of course.


How anyone can POSSIBLY say Dak isn't a problem? But there it is.

 

[Sydla]

Ya...why would a team bring back a guy who is an all pro.....


Blasphemy lol

LOL.

Because the guy once again came up small in a big game. That if you dig into his stats, you realize that he tends to feast on bad defenses but struggles against quality opponents.

You are gonna get your wish. He's going to be back, and they'll have to restructure handcuffing him to the franchise for a few more years, but expecting him to somehow take us on a deep playoff run in the future seems like real wishful thinking knowing what we know and having seen him now for multiple years and playoff runs.

 

[Whyjerry]

Jerry is a boob but he's not the one forcing Dak to poop the bed in the big games. He didn't force Dak to throw that pick 6, for example.

Jerry's flaws manifest themselves in things like extending Dak and keeping him around when it's clear we probably need a change of direction.

Look at all the talent that comes through here and never wins. The culture sucks. It’s a marketing arm not a serious football organization. Run by a family of narcissists. Dak might be gone and in 3/4 years we will be blaming the next guy.

 

[john van brocklin]

Jared Goff took the Rams to the Super Bowl early in his career. The Rams dumped him anyway shortly after that.

Carson Wentz was an MVP candidate the year the Eagles won the Super Bowl, and has a Super Bowl ring. But he was replaced by Nick Foles during the season when he got injured, and not long afterward, the Eagles spent a 2nd round pick on Jalen Hurts. Carson was unceremoniously dumped on the Colts soon afterward.

Alex Smith was taking the Chiefs to the playoffs, but Andy Reid still moved up in the draft to pick Patrick Mahomes.

Drew Bledsoe had just become the highest paid QB in the NFL, but Belichick elevated Tom Brady over him. Like Wentz, Bledsoe has a Super Bowl ring, but not as the starting QB.

Dan Majkowski (the Magic Man) was a more than serviceable starter for the Packers, but they traded for Brett Favre, and when Majkowski went down in game 3, Favre never relinquished the starting role until after he set the record for most consecutive games. Then, the Packers dumped the #1 QB in NFL history for Aaron Rodgers. Then the Packers repeated the process, dumping Aaron Rodgers for Jordan Love.

Tom Landry and the Cowboys spent the 5th overall in 1965 for QB Craig Morton. Like Goff, he started a Super Bowl his team lost. Less than a year later, the Cowboys sent him to the bench in favor of Roger Staubach. Morton later started another Super Bowl against the Cowboys - and lost to his former team.

DFW native Tommy Kramer had a breakout season for the Steelers as their starting QB in 2003. That didn’t stop the Steelers from spending a top 15 pick on Ben Roethlisberger in 2004, where he promptly went undefeated as a starter for 15 games as a rookie, while Kramer looked on from the sidelines.

Robert Griffin III was rookie of the year in 2012, beating out Andrew Luck for the honor. A couple of seasons later, Kirk Cousins was the starter, and RGIII never again played as well as he did n his rookie year.

I’m not saying Dak is a bad QB. I think he’s a very, very good QB. But it’s not unprecedented to move on from a good QB - even a Super Bowl QB. Morton, Bledsoe and Goff were all Super Bowl starters quickly dumped by their teams when something better came along. Both Favre and Rodgers won Super Bowls, but their teams weren’t afraid to move on.

Just saying…

You don’t have to hate Dak, or think he’s an awful QB yo come to a decision that he’s had enough chances in Dallas. If Atlanta is willing to give up the 8th pick, plus a couple of other high picks, and Dak would like to help Belichick surpass Don Shula’s win total, I make that trade, and start over at QB. The Cowboys can let Trey Lance battle it out with another top 10 draft pick for the right to be the next Dallas QB.

See, that's what a professional GM would do.
We have an amateur who gets attached to his players.
Glad Jimmy had the gumption to trade Walker for all those picks.
Don't know if we would have 3 SBs otherwise.
Smart GMs look at their players objectively.

 

[Sydla]

Well who the hell drafted Dak? Or signed him? That's all the same man lol. Same one who signed Romo and extended him. Same one who drafted Quincy Carter. Same one who tried to draft Paxton Lynch...

What's that got to do with how Dak is playing?

Dak is an issue. The fact Jerry is the one who brought him here or extended him doesn't change the fact that he's here and yet he's seemingly not good enough. Him not being good enough isn't Jerry's fault. What's Jerry's fault is if he fails to realize it and continues on with Dak for 4-5 more years.

 

[Sydla]

We've hit our wall huh?

Not sure if you noticed or not....the defense was an absolute seive vs the Pack.

The guy who hit the wall had 450 total yards

I am really going to hope you aren't trying to make the case here that Dak played well yesterday.

 

[Ken]

LOL.

Because the guy once again came up small in a big game. That if you dig into his stats, you realize that he tends to feast on bad defenses but struggles against quality opponents.

You are gonna get your wish. He's going to be back, and they'll have to restructure handcuffing him to the franchise for a few more years, but expecting him to somehow take us on a deep playoff run in the future seems like real wishful thinking knowing what we know and having seen him now for multiple years and playoff runs.

I am still waiting for a coherent option not to do that...

Again...we had our best wr dropping balls and whining in game. we had no run game and our playcaller went into turtle mode.

The defense failed miserably.

Remember...we went into this season with the idea we were going to be a defensive team that was a running team. What happened to that?

That is where this team went wrong....not being surprised that we don't have Pat Mahomes.

 

[Jumbo075]

You went from unlikely with that Falcons proposed trade to the utterly ridiculous thinking you could get the 11th pick for Trey Lance.

That would be the greatest return in NFL history. Turn a 4th round pick into a Top 12 pick and the QB never even played a down for you.

You’re likely right about Trey Lance. But if the Cowboys can finagle the 8th and 43rd pick from Atlanta for Dak - which is more than reasonable, that gives them the 8th, 24th, 43rd and 56th picks in the draft. Even trading Lance for Minnesota’s 2nd or 3rs round pick would be an improvement on the Cowboys’ 4th round pick they traded away to get Lance.

That gives them 6 picks in the top 88. If Chicago is open to a trade for the #1 pick because they like Fields, then put a package together, and go get Caleb Williams or Drake May. If the Cowboys are willing to trade Parsons, who doesn’t seem to have any loyalty to the Cowboys, they can get even more top picks. It is doable - if the Cowboys commit.

 

[Sydla]

Question is is Jerry Jones ok with that? Unfortunately we know the answer to that and for that reason Dak is very likely to be here for the foreseeable future. But yea, I too would be ok with moving on from Dak and moving other high profile players out for picks to retool. You can rebuild quickly in this league and teams do it all the time.

Probably not.

Jerry is a delusional old fool who struggles to admit mistakes.

So Dak is back for sure. Now will McCarthy be back? I suspect so but honestly, who knows at this point.

 

[Sydla]

I am still waiting for a coherent option not to do that...

Again...we had our best wr dropping balls and whining in game. we had no run game and our playcaller went into turtle mode.

The defense failed miserably.

Remember...we went into this season with the idea we were going to be a defensive team that was a running team. What happened to that?

That is where this team went wrong....not being surprised that we don't have Pat Mahomes.

LOL.

It is not surprising that it only took like 48 hours for you to start playing it was everyone else's fault.

Here's the coherent option to not do that.

Sunday wasn't a one off game. Dak struggled in most of the big games this year other than that 2nd Eagles game. He's come up small in the playoffs multiple times. He's been through two OCs, two HCs and the results don't really change. He feasts on bad teams, struggles mostly with the good ones.

Yank off the band aid. Hoping Dak, in his 9th year, is suddenly going to elevate his game beyond what we have seen in big spots seems like some serious wishful thinking. When you are spending 8 seasons blaming everyone else but the QB for the failures in big spots, seems like eventually you have to come around to the reality that maybe the QB himself just isn't good enough. And with a massive financial decision coming in a few months, is it smart to handcuff your franchise for 3-4 more years to a QB who is no longer a spring chicken and has REPEATEDLY failed to deliver in big spots?

 

[Ken]

I am really going to hope you aren't trying to make the case here that Dak played well yesterday.

No...trying to make the case that he got off the matt and tried to bring us back in spite of all the crap going against us.

Where was the defense? When were they getting off the matt?

Most disappointing thing about this season....the defense coming up small.in big situations.

 

[Ken]

LOL.

It is not surprising that it only took like 48 hours for you to start playing it was everyone else's fault.

Uh...I was saying this right after the game because it is true.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

You have to get a new quarterback. You can trade anyone on the roster and get a top pick to do it.



You can’t sell your fans on this squad anymore. You got gifted a 2 seed and still wet the bed. It’s enough

 

[Sydla]

You’re likely right about Trey Lance. But if the Cowboys can finagle the 8th and 43rd pick from Atlanta for Dak - which is more than reasonable, that gives them the 8th, 24th, 43rd and 56th picks in the draft. Even trading Lance for Minnesota’s 2nd or 3rs round pick would be an improvement on the Cowboys’ 4th round pick they traded away to get Lance.

That gives them 6 picks in the top 88. If Chicago is open to a trade for the #1 pick because they like Fields, then put a package together, and go get Caleb Williams or Drake May. If the Cowboys are willing to trade Parsons, who doesn’t seem to have any loyalty to the Cowboys, they can get even more top picks. It is doable - if the Cowboys commit.

You aren't getting some package of 2nd and 3rd round picks from Minnesota for Lance.

The only way you might get some value for him would be in August, when a team that thinks they are a contender loses a QB and then gets desperate. Like how Philly unloaded Sam Bradford for a 1st round pick when he clearly wasn't worth that.

 

[Sydla]

Uh...I was saying this right after the game because it is true.

So Dak played well. Everyone else failed on Sunday?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We've hit our wall huh?

Not sure if you noticed or not....the defense was an absolute seive vs the Pack.

The guy who hit the wall had 450 total yards

It was pathetic that was for sure.

 

[Sydla]

No...trying to make the case that he got off the matt and tried to bring us back in spite of all the crap going against us.

Where was the defense? When were they getting off the matt?

Most disappointing thing about this season....the defense coming up small.in big situations.

He had to get off the mat because he was one of the big reasons we were on the mat to begin with along with the defense.

He was horrible in that 1st half. Pick 6 was awful. He made a terrible throw to Lamb early that would have sustained a drive, instead we had to punt, etc. You can't praise him for his play in the 2nd half and ignore the fact he was a big reason we were in such a big hole to begin with.

And the fact there was sooooo much blame to go around - the HC, the defense, the QB - it's why I am in the camp of maybe it's time to just burn this down and start over. Get a new staff, move on from Dak, change the culture, change the roster, try something new.

Getting rid of McCarthy but keeping Dak or even Quinn doesn't fix us. Just hoping Quinn gets a gig somewhere and bringing back Dak and McCarthy doesn't fix us. Dumping Dak but keeping McCarthy doesn't fix us. It's time for a purge.

 

[jsb357]

Jerry is profitable with a "good enough" team. He doesn't have to create an "excellent" team to turn a profit. So, he figures why burn a bunch of calories to assemble a new culture when it won't make him more money.