Q&A with Arizona CB Antoine Cason

[JPM]

serious question here...McAllister was universally regarded as a top-10/12 pick the yr he came out and went ended up going 10th overall...if Cason is as good or better than him, why is that alot of people dont even feel like he's a first rd pick, let alone a top-10 talent?

This is not bashing, its a serious question. Is there something that some of us havent heard perhaps thats effecting his dradt status? By all accounts he is a good kid, so I doubt there's some skeletons in his closet in terms of that...and he won some hardware as a senior, so its not like he is under the radar or something either. And its not like there are 4 or 5 Deion Sanders calibar CB's who are rated ahead of him...

Like I said, serious question.

David

I don't have a definitive answer so I'm going to take a guess:

1) Deep CB class. I can't remember it ever being this good.
2) Straight line speed. If he ran a 4.38-4.4 I'm guessing he'd be in discussion as a top 15-20 pick. I don't remember what McAllister ran.

 

[Hostile]

serious question here...McAllister was universally regarded as a top-10/12 pick the yr he came out and went ended up going 10th overall...if Cason is as good or better than him, why is that alot of people dont even feel like he's a first rd pick, let alone a top-10 talent?

This is not bashing, its a serious question. Is there something that some of us havent heard perhaps thats effecting his dradt status? By all accounts he is a good kid, so I doubt there's some skeletons in his closet in terms of that...and he won some hardware as a senior, so its not like he is under the radar or something either. And its not like there are 4 or 5 Deion Sanders calibar CB's who are rated ahead of him...

Like I said, serious question.

David

McAllister was blazing fast and his speed wowed scouts at the Combine. If you look at the Mocks I have done on this site you will see me acknowledge that Cason is fast enough, but not sick fast. McAllister was. I don't remember what his 40 time was but I remember people got tents over it.

However, I think Cason plays the ball better than McAllister did. He has great instincts. I think he has much better footwork, he plays much tighter coverage because of those things, and I think he's smarter. McAllister is a gambler who when the gamble pays off wows you because of his pure speed. Cason is rarely beaten. I also think he's a better tackler.

If you ask me who is more explosive, I will tell you McAllister. No doubt about it. If you ask me who is a better overall football player, I'll say Cason.

Understand something here. I had classes at UA with Chris and know him. I've never met Cason. So there's nothing personal about this. If there was, I would be defending Chris. I'm talking about strictly as a football player I think Cason is better.

Bottom line scouting services get married to 40 times, especially for CBs. Find me footage of Cason getting beat or blown by. It doesn't happen very often. I've seen entire games where the guy he was guarding wasn't even thrown at. That's in the pass happy Pac 10.

Look at his bench press reps, his vertical leap, his size, and his 40 time. Then look at the Jim Thorpe award. IMO, this kid is the bext CB in this Draft class when all is said and done. That is JMO, and I will acknowledge there's some UA homer tied to it. But not enough that it blinds me.

 

[jterrell]

But JT, off-the-field character has to factor in, too. Jenkins has a rap sheet.




Nice Tracy Saul reference.

wow!!!! how many people would have got that one?

I hear you on rap sheet as well but Jenkins hasn't done anything to turn me off of him. Talib however I am moving down the board.

Using TT references Bam Morris was rather a knucklehead. I liked the guy a lot personally but he was certainly not a dedicated athlete or award winning off the field character. We hung out a lot.

Now Tracy Saul was a consummate pro and great character guy.

Bam messed up his pro career but he had at least had one. Tracy only got a camp experience.

Now to complete the TT absurd comparisons Zach Thomas was also only a very average physical specimen. He is maybe 5'10" in shows. But he was a draft steal of epic proportions because he was drafted to his athleticism(round 5 if I recall correctly) and not his production.

So I just think you have to balance it.

Cason has good but not great athleticism but looks to be the kind of person and citizen who has almost no risk attached. I think he can be penciled in as a 2nd CB for sure for 7 or 8 seasons unless injured. Then you just have to attach a value to that. I'd say early 2nd round myself.

If this wasn't a ridiculously deep CB draft someone would grab Cason at 15, but imho they'd end up with a solid pro not a great value at 15.

 

[jterrell]

Good Combine numbers (better in just about every respect than Mike Jenkins') and it's readily apparent on tape. Those numbers are well-rounded. Good 40 time, 3-cone, shuttle, and broad jump. There are no holes. It's not like others that put up a flashy 40 time and then have a sub-par broad jump or vertical. He's above average in nearly every respect.

1st round draft picks do not have above average athleticism, they have great athleticism.

If by consistent and well-rounded you mean 5th to 8th in each area you'd be correct.

If you mean like DRC, off the page consistency then no.

If you can't judge numbers on a page fairly how can you expect anyone to trust what you saw on the tv?

 

[theogt]

1st round draft picks do not have above average athleticism, they have great athleticism.

If by consistent and well-rounded you mean 5th to 8th in each area you'd be correct.

If you mean like DRC, off the page consistency then no.

If you can't judge numbers on a page fairly how can you expect anyone to trust what you saw on the tv?

That's ridiculous. Every first rounder doesn't have to have the best physical numbers for his position.

Take Jenkins for example. You think Jenkins is a first rounder, but I've already shown that Cason has better measurables than him.

Remember Jenkins? The guy you absurdly claimed was "lightyears ahead" of Cason in terms of athleticism?

 

[WoodysGirl]

In honor of this thread....

Cowboys Insider: 'Anti-Pacman' would offer immediate secondary help

Web Posted: 04/11/2008 04:27 PM CDT

TomOrsborn
Express-News Staff Writer

Even if the proposed Pacman Jones trade between Dallas and Tennessee is consummated, the Cowboys will need more than just the troubled cornerback to shore up their secondary.

That’s why Dallas should seriously consider selecting the anti-Pacman, Arizona’s Antoine Cason, with the 28th overall pick.


The Cowboys are thin at the back end after losing backup corners Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones to free agency. It also doesn’t help that starting right corner Anthony Henry is on the wrong side of 30 and prone to injury.


While adding Jones would certainly bolster the defensive backfield, there’s no guarantee his personal demons wouldn’t resurface while he’s wearing the star.


With Cason, that would never be a worry for Dallas.


Unlike Jones, the 21-year-old Cason is a straight arrow, the kind of guy who would immediately be embraced by fans and the team’s marketing department.


“That’s one of Antoine’s strongest attributes – his character,” Arizona defensive coordinator/secondary coach Mark Stoops said Friday in a phone interview. “He’s a remarkable young man. He works extremely hard and lives right and does the right things.


“Really, we can’t say enough good things about him. He’s unselfish and highly coachable and he came into our program that way, because his parents are remarkable people.”


Cason’s father, Wendell, was a defensive back for the Atlanta Falcons during the 1980s.


“That’s benefited me greatly,” Cason said at the combine of having a father with NFL experience. “That’s a thing a lot of people don’t realize, that I’ve had coaching since high school from someone who’s played at the highest level of football. He taught me a lot of things from high school to college to now. It’s been a blessing for me to have him.”


Mature beyond his years, the 6-foot, 185-pound Cason was a four-year starter at corner for the Wildcats and won the 2007 Jim Thorpe Award as the nation’s top defensive back after finishing with five interceptions, two of which were returned for touchdowns.

Cason, a first-team All-America choice, also returned two punts for TDs last season en route to becoming the first Arizona player to earn All-Pac-10 honors on defense and specials teams in the same season.


Before the combine, there were questions about Cason’s speed. But he answered those by running the 40 in a respectable 4.45 seconds and recording a position-best 4.08 in the short shuttle.


Cason was also one of the top performers in the bench press, vertical jump and broad jump.


It should also be pointed out that scouts say Cason doesn’t lose speed when he adjusts to the receiver’s route, a problem for many young defensive backs. In other words, he probably should be able to help the team that drafts him right away.


“He has a lot of confidence and he plays very confidently,” Stoops said. “Remember, he played in every game since he came into our program and was here four years. That’s a lot of snaps and a lot of plays. Plus, he played against good competition in this league and really held his own.”


Asked at the combine to describe himself, Cason said, “A good cover guy who can play (either) man or zone. A good tackler, good awareness on the field and knows what’s going on in the backfield, knows where his help is on the field. And just pretty much knows the defense overall and makes plays.”


He also could have added “is a good character guy,” but that wouldn’t be Cason’s style.

The cousin of two former Cowboys, running back Aveion Cason and receiver Ken-Yon Rambo, Antoine Cason started a foundation called Cason Cares while he was at Arizona in honor of his late grandfather.


“My grandfather (Royce Rambo) died of leukemia in February ’07,” said Cason, a native of Long Beach, Calif. “He was a role model to me, so I wanted to do something to honor him for what he’s done for me and my family.”


Along with a friend, Cason raised $7,000 in 60 days for the American Cancer Society by selling wristbands.


“Everything is not about me, me, me, all the time,” Cason said. “I wanted to give back and do something positive.”


Bottom line: Cason is the kind of guy you want on your team. But don’t just take my word for it. Check out this YouTube video of the July 2007 news conference in which he announced he would return to Arizona for his senior season.


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[Hostile]

I'm gonna have an accident.

This is from his Wildcats page.

Antoine Cason
#5
CB
Height:6-0
Weight:185
Senior

HometownLong Beach, Calif.






Arizona: 3L ... Playboy 2007 All-America... Sack for a forced fumble in 07 opener, among nine tackles...Candidate for Lott Trophy and Thorpe and Bednarik awards... First-team All-Pacific-10 Conference honors in 2006 cemented his place as one of UA’s all-time bests at cornerback, one of five Wildcats so chosen along with Chris McAlister, Keshon Johnson, Darryll Lewis and Randy Robbins... Semifinalist for the Thorpe Award... Two-time Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Week, against Washington State and California... Three interceptions in 2006 including a 39-yard return for the eventual winning points against No. 8 California... Broke up seven passes and recorded 62 tackles, third best on the club... 34-game starter and played all but a handful of snaps in the closing moments of two games in his career. Played every snap his first two years... Ten career picks and 18 PBUs, both within easy reach of UA’s top 10 charts... Season-high 12 tackles vs. USC and 11 vs. Washington... Participated on the UA track team in spring 2006 on sprint relays and 200m... Second-team All-Pac-10 honors in 2005... Finished with three interceptions, five passes defensed and 50 tackles including 2.5 for losses... Normally plays the strong side of the field... Season-long 27-yard interception return against Oregon... Had seven tackles three times... Started 11 games as a true freshman in 2004, earning All-Pac-10 honorable mention ... Selected to the FWAA and Sporting News freshman All-America teams ... TSN’s All-Pac-10 freshman team selection and Pac-10 defensive freshman of the year honors ... Selected to Rivals.com freshman All-America club ... Finished the season with 70 tackles (54 solo), 5.5 tackles for loss (-18 yards), four interceptions, six pass breakups and three forced fumbles ... Second-leading tackler on the squad ... Ranked fifth in the Pac-10 in interceptions, 20th in tackles, fifth in forced fumbles and ninth in passes defended ... Tallied 12 tackles (8 solo) and forced a fumble vs. ASU ... Returned an interception 23 yards, had nine tackles (7 solo), two pass breakups and two tackles for a loss (-8 yards) at Washington ... Returned two interceptions for a total of 61 yards and tallied five solo tackles vs. California ... Named Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Week after first collegiate game: tallied a career-high 13 tackles (12 solo), including one for a loss, forced two fumbles, broke up one pass and returned an interception four yards vs. NAU ...

High School: Los Alamitos High School, Los Alamitos, Calif., 2004 ... Second-team All-CIF Southern Section and first-team Division I CIF as senior... Also earned Southern Section Division I all-defense honors ... Tacoma News-Tribune Western 100 ... PrepStar All-America selection as a top 300 national recruit ... SuperPrep All-Farwest honors as a Top 100 California prospect ... Rivals.com three-star rating and No. 38 as a DB prospect ... Also played running back at Los Alamitos ... Had 41 tackles, four interceptions and two fumble recoveries in 2003 ... First-team all-league as a junior, with six interceptions ... Sunset League Defensive Back of the Year and first-team honors as a senior ... Orange County Register first-team all-county ... Won team’s ?Hit of the Year’ for 2002 ... Also participated in track.


Personal: Academic major is political science ... Co-president of the UA’s Student Athlete Advisory Board in 2006-07... UA’s Outstanding Junior Athlete award in 2006... Son of Wendell Cason of Carson and Deborah Cason of Long Beach ... Father played at Oregon and for the Atlanta Falcons from 1984-87 ... Brother Dione ran track at WSU ... Cousin of Ken-yon Rambo of the New York Jets and Avieon Cason of the Dallas Cowboys ... Likes dogs, PS2 and working out ... Monthly church usher duties ... Date of birth: July 9, 1986.

 

[jterrell]

McAllister was blazing fast and his speed wowed scouts at the Combine. If you look at the Mocks I have done on this site you will see me acknowledge that Cason is fast enough, but not sick fast. McAllister was. I don't remember what his 40 time was but I remember people got tents over it.

However, I think Cason plays the ball better than McAllister did. He has great instincts. I think he has much better footwork, he plays much tighter coverage because of those things, and I think he's smarter. McAllister is a gambler who when the gamble pays off wows you because of his pure speed. Cason is rarely beaten. I also think he's a better tackler.

If you ask me who is more explosive, I will tell you McAllister. No doubt about it. If you ask me who is a better overall football player, I'll say Cason.

Understand something here. I had classes at UA with Chris and know him. I've never met Cason. So there's nothing personal about this. If there was, I would be defending Chris. I'm talking about strictly as a football player I think Cason is better.

Bottom line scouting services get married to 40 times, especially for CBs. Find me footage of Cason getting beat or blown by. It doesn't happen very often. I've seen entire games where the guy he was guarding wasn't even thrown at. That's in the pass happy Pac 10.

Look at his bench press reps, his vertical leap, his size, and his 40 time. Then look at the Jim Thorpe award. IMO, this kid is the bext CB in this Draft class when all is said and done. That is JMO, and I will acknowledge there's some UA homer tied to it. But not enough that it blinds me.

To me I have to agree 100% here but then also draw a distinction.

1. I absolutely agree you need to judge a guy based on if he is a football player. Cason is clearly a football player. He is having fun out there and he makes plays. I think drafting track guys or baseball players is an insult to the sport.

2. I have to disagree about getting beat in college from the standpoint that this WR class is so terribad. I doubt Cason will defend ANY WRs in the NFL as bad as what he saw on a weekly basis in the PAC-10. It isn't just my usual PAC-10 disgust there but with all WRs this year. The only guy that really impressed me was Tech's Crabtree whom was a freshman(and still needs to improve a lot but has world class potential). Desean Jackson is a good player but Lavelle Hawkins may well be the better pure WR(he certainly looked great in the Senior Bowl) and Cason only faced Jackson.

I would have really liked to see Cason at the Senior Bowl and outside of Stoops defensive scheme.

 

[Hostile]

To me I have to agree 100% here but then also draw a distinction.

1. I absolutely agree you need to judge a guy based on if he is a football player. Cason is clearly a football player. He is having fun out there and he makes plays. I think drafting track guys or baseball players is an insult to the sport.

2. I have to disagree about getting beat in college from the standpoint that this WR class is so terribad. I doubt Cason will defend ANY WRs in the NFL as bad as what he saw on a weekly basis in the PAC-10. It isn't just my usual PAC-10 disgust there but with all WRs this year. The only guy that really impressed me was Tech's Crabtree whom was a freshman(and still needs to improve a lot but has world class potential). Desean Jackson is a good player but Lavelle Hawkins may well be the better pure WR(he certainly looked great in the Senior Bowl) and Cason only faced Jackson.

I would have really liked to see Cason at the Senior Bowl and outside of Stoops defensive scheme.

Hmm, I was under the impression that Cason played 4 years of college football in the Pac 10, not just 2007.

 

[theogt]

2. I have to disagree about getting beat in college from the standpoint that this WR class is so terribad. I doubt Cason will defend ANY WRs in the NFL as bad as what he saw on a weekly basis in the PAC-10. It isn't just my usual PAC-10 disgust there but with all WRs this year. The only guy that really impressed me was Tech's Crabtree whom was a freshman(and still needs to improve a lot but has world class potential). Desean Jackson is a good player but Lavelle Hawkins may well be the better pure WR(he certainly looked great in the Senior Bowl) and Cason only faced Jackson.

Of course he's going to have a harder time in the NFL. All college players do. But he faced better competition in the Pac-10 than Jenkins, DRC, or McKelvin did and he still put up BETTER numbers than they did.

No one expects Cason to put up the numbers he put up in college in the NFL. If he did, he'd easily be considered the best corner ever. But you have to judge his numbers against his peers in college. And compared to them, he still has some of the best numbers in history.

 

[Hostile]

Cason Highlights video

Some are different angles of same play. Not all of these are 2007.

 

[jterrell]

That's ridiculous. Every first rounder doesn't have to have the best physical numbers for his position.

Take Jenkins for example. You think Jenkins is a first rounder, but I've already shown that Cason has better measurables than him.

Remember Jenkins? The guy you absurdly claimed was "lightyears ahead" of Cason in terms of athleticism?

Cason....

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6002
Weight: 191
40 Yrd Dash: 4.45
20 Yrd Dash: 2.53
10 Yrd Dash: 1.51 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 20
Vertical Jump: 35 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'08"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.08
3-Cone Drill:
No 3-cone/tight hamstring

Dates: 03/08/08
Height: 6002
Weight: 191
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash: 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 36
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill: 7.07

Before Combine: Hgt: 6002, Wgt: 190, 40YD: 4.45-4.54-4.59


Mike Jenkins

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5102
Weight: 197
40 Yrd Dash: 4.38
20 Yrd Dash: 2.53
10 Yrd Dash: 1.47 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 09'09"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40
3-Cone Drill: 7.21


Dates: 03/07/08
Height: 5102
Weight: 197
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash: 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:

Before Combine: Hgt: 5117, Wgt: 200, 40YD: 4.43-4.49-4.57


again Theo... it is hard to take you seriously if you can't be honest with yourself.

Jenkins weighs more and runs faster....
It really is that simple.
That is better athleticism.

Cason jumps better and does some drills better but again do you really compare the Arizona weight training program with South Florida?

Jenkins is faster in the 10 yard stretches and 40 yard stretches which means he can cover a guy right off the line and on deep routes.

Cason is taller and looks like a better jump ball guy.
Guess what?
Henry is better jump ball guy than TNew... who is the better athlete?


speaking of TNew:

Combine Invite: yes
Height: 5103
Weight: 189
40 Yrd Dash: 4.37
20 Yrd Dash: 2.61
10 Yrd Dash: 1.56 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 10
Vertical Jump: 41
Broad Jump: 11'04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.83
3-Cone Drill: 6.88


Dates:
Height: 5103
Weight: 189
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash: 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:

Virtually same speed, height numbers as Jenkins but could certainly leap better and did 8 less 225 reps.
That earned him top overall athlete grades from most scouts when he came out.

 

[theogt]

Again...


Mike Jenkins:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.38
20 Yrd Dash: 2.53
10 Yrd Dash: 1.47
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 09'09"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40
3-Cone Drill: 7.21

Antoine Cason:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.45
20 Yrd Dash: 2.53
10 Yrd Dash: 1.51
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 20
Vertical Jump: 35 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'08"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.08
3-Cone Drill: 7.07

The red portions are where Cason has a BETTER OR EQUAL metric.

 

[theogt]

Based on my Combine formula that combines all metrics:

Terence Newman - 120.08
Antoine Cason - 116.12
Aaron Ross - 115.17
Mike Jenkins - 111.63

 

[tomson75]

So what is the latest consensus as to where Cason will be taken?

This thread (esp. the WG article) definitely rekindled my interest in the guy.

 

[jterrell]

Hmm, I was under the impression that Cason played 4 years of college football in the Pac 10, not just 2007.

And I have read the links from Cason saying the best players he covered were Desean Jackson, Steve Smith(USC one) Mike Williams and a few other guys I hadn't even heard of.

Cason gave up twice as many TDs this year as Talib. And ironically people acknowledged Talib was lazy and took plays off and gambled.

Cason was a great college corner but he played in a PAC-10 that has been fairly weak, USC aside for a few seasons and the WR's coming out of the PAC-10 have been almost universally over-rated.

In 2005:
One Pac-10 WR went day 1.
Mike Williams: BUST

In 2006:
1 PAC-10 guy day 1.
3rd rounder Derek Hagan out of Arizona State.


In 2007:
3 PAC-10 guys.
Jarrett and Smith in round 2.
WSU's Jason Hill in round 3.

AFAIK not a single WR from the PAC-10 who would have faced Cason has started an NFL game.

Does that mean Cason sucks? Of course not.
But it does mean you can't put all the eggs in well he can cover mediocre guys like no one else basket and take it to the check out.

 

[theogt]

So what is the latest consensus as to where Cason will be taken?

This thread (esp. the WG article) definitely rekindled my interest in the guy.

Late first, early second. With us and Green Bay picking at 28 and 30, I doubt very seriously he drops past the first.

 

[Hostile]

And I have read the links from Cason saying the best players he covered were Desean Jackson, Steve Smith(USC one) Mike Williams and a few other guys I hadn't even heard of.

Cason gave up twice as many TDs this year as Talib. And ironically people acknowledged Talib was lazy and took plays off and gambled.

I haven't dissed Talib one time. I like the kid.

Cason was a great college corner but he played in a PAC-10 that has been fairly weak, USC aside for a few seasons and the WR's coming out of the PAC-10 have been almost universally over-rated.

In 2005:
One Pac-10 WR went day 1.
Mike Williams: BUST

In 2006:
1 PAC-10 guy day 1.
3rd rounder Derek Hagan out of Arizona State.


In 2007:
3 PAC-10 guys.
Jarrett and Smith in round 2.
WSU's Jason Hill in round 3.

AFAIK not a single WR from the PAC-10 who would have faced Cason has started an NFL game.

Does that mean Cason sucks? Of course not.
But it does mean you can't put all the eggs in well he can cover mediocre guys like no one else basket and take it to the check out.

He also has played against BYU (which runs multiple WR sets), LSU (not exactly a patsy), Purdue, and Utah (when it featured Urban Meyer's offense).

It's also funny how all those "mediocre WRs" made so many other guys look pedestrian.

 

[jterrell]

Based on my Combine formula that combines all metrics:

Terence Newman - 120.08
Antoine Cason - 116.12
Aaron Ross - 115.17
Mike Jenkins - 111.63

where does all of this year's top CBs rank?

again you want to cherry pick to argue in favor of "your" guy.

talib would be higher, DRC off the charts, there will be other guys above Cason.

but that is because you are using "your" metric. rofl.

NFL corners have to be able to cover either fast, small guys, big, tall guys or both.

Jenkins has elite speed and can cover fast guys, regardless of rainman like metrics. His speed is far superior to Cason's he just didn't do as well in drills that can be taught and practiced. Again he is simply faster in both the 10 and 40 yard areas. So he accelerates faster and he has faster top end speed.

Was Deion drafted based on 3-cone drill times or the fact he ran a 4.2 at 200 pounds??

 

[jterrell]

I haven't dissed Talib one time. I like the kid.

He also has played against BYU (which runs multiple WR sets), LSU (not exactly a patsy), Purdue, and Utah (when it featured Urban Meyer's offense).

It's also funny how all those "mediocre WRs" made so many other guys look pedestrian.

Other guys who weren't first round NFL draft picks, rofl.

I like Cason at 28 just not 22.

We are splitting hairs at this point.

I've stated I think he is a 2nd CB for 7 or 8 years, what are you predicting for him? Can he take the CB1 spot from TNew?