Q&A with Arizona CB Antoine Cason

[MichaelWinicki]

The only fix would be answering the question.

I think I did in post #129 Hos.

 

[theogt]

That's kind of unfair because these other corners weren't "lit-up". It's not like they didn't perform at all at the college level.

Plus Mamula was a Boston College grad... it's not his coaching was at the level of some of these small college corners that are sure to be drafted before Cason.

McKelvin actually did have pretty poor production in college.

 

[Duane]

Apparently, Jterrell does.

That's his current point.

I don't have a problem with his 'getting better'. I think he's good enough right now. And ask yourself, is it a guarantee that one of the other corners will get better?

Like you said, they have a higher bust factor as well.

I would prefer the known commodity, and an awesome character and team guy as well.

A bird in the hand.....

I'm going to make this comparison again but he still sounds a lot like Bobby Carpenter. The player was a known commodity, good character and team guy.

Basically we knew what we were getting with Carp when we drafted him. Someone solid but unspectacular. If that's the case with Cason and we have corners with more upside on the board I think you have to take them.

 

[Hostile]

good lord.
Splitting hairs means we are "close" and arguing semantics.

I have stated the guy is a very possible selection at 28.

What you did above was a sleight of hand using Deion or Champ Bailey. It was an awesome non-answer with zero relevance.

I asked can Antoine Cason be CB1 HERE in Dallas with Terence Newman on the field or is he destined to CB2 duty for the foreseeable future if we draft him?

Call me crazy but that is the question I'd ask myself before I picked him at 22 were I Jerry Jones.

I guess I'd need to know how he would fit on the Dallas Cowboys not how he fit as an Arizona wildcat. He is listed as among the most NFL ready for sure so does he bump Henry day 1 or does he play nickel. If he plays nickel does he win any of the return jobs? He was a solid returner in college but I haven't seem it suggested by many scouts he would assume those duties in the NFL.

I know what splitting hairs means, but thanks for the reminder that I didn't need.

Who cares if he bumps Henry on day 1 or plays Nickel? I sure don't. The question I have is, does he make us better right now and is he potentially here for a long haul?

Who's arguing? I missed that. It's a good discussion. Just kidding, I know you're getting cranked up. I've seen it building for several posts. You know I like that though.

 

[jterrell]

Sure looks that way.

You criticize his 'level' but fail to give me the competition for the guys you like better. That's unfair isn't it?



But he can somehow have it held against him?



So it's pure speculation and nothing else?

Sorry, I'll take the guy who's done it over the one who might.....

You end up with Mike Mamula otherwise.

yawn....

I already stated the guy was awesome in college against mediocre players.
I haven't EVER said any other CB had a better college career have I?

If not then you are just typing in vain because you have no point.

Mike Mamula.. hahahahaha. We are talking about guys who played real football and played it well. Did you see the Senior Bowl? Did you see DRC dominate that game? Did you see McKelvin shut guys down in practice to the point WRs tried to skip turns to avoid him?

That is all real football. And it is more meaningful for me than if a guy can cover a guy who will not ever get a Senior Bowl invite and whose next job involves a button-down with collar and lace-up shoes.

Again just so we are clear here and his fan club can relax I have stated I like the guy, feel he is a good selection for us at 28, have moved him up past BOTH Flowers and Talib and wish him well wherever he ends up because he has his head together off the field.

Just because I do not want to tattoo his name on my left cheek does not mean I am not suggesting he sucks.

 

[Hostile]

I think I did in post #129 Hos.

Yeah, I read that. It doesn't really answer the question at all.

The discussion put forth was "who has Cason faced?" The counter question of who the other guys have faced, is every bit as valid as that one but it hasn't been answered. Or is the question only valid as it pertains to one guy, Cason? If those are the rules of engagement then we need to change decks.

You talked about measurables and I've already acknowledged those as a factor.

 

[jterrell]

I know what splitting hairs means, but thanks for the reminder that I didn't need.

Who cares if he bumps Henry on day 1 or plays Nickel? I sure don't. The question I have is, does he make us better right now and is he potentially here for a long haul?

Who's arguing? I missed that. It's a good discussion. Just kidding, I know you're getting cranked up. I've seen it building for several posts. You know I like that though.

so in another words you refuse to answer my actual question? rofl.

 

[Stash]

That's kind of unfair because these other corners weren't "lit-up". It's not like they didn't perform at all at the college level.

Plus Mamula was a Boston College grad... it's not his coaching was at the level of some of these small college corners that are sure to be drafted before Cason.

Could you post the 'lit up' numbers for me?

I'd like to see how he managed to win the award despite the fact that he was 'lit up' so much.

And I still haven't seen any reference to who the other guys played against?

No, but Mamula looked great in workouts too, didn't he?

And in case you haven't noticed, the Dallas coaching staff hasn't exactly done a great job of 'coaching up' anyone recently, have they?

 

[Stash]

so in another words you refuse to answer my actual question? rofl.

Maybe when you actually answer the 'level of competition' question?

Keep laughing.

 

[Hostile]

so in another words you refuse to answer my actual question? rofl.

Which question have I refused to answer? I may have missed it in the midst of your rambling diatribes.

 

[jterrell]

Blair Thomas was the best RB in the 1990 Draft right?

Chad Pennington the best QB in 2000?


If you say yes to both, you've made your point. If not it was a scud.

Ironic you chose these two guys.

Both guys btw, I would have serious questions about if in this draft.

Why? Penn State running backs always suck... Larry Johnson has major attitude and Enis, Thomas and others just couldn't play. But also because 4.2 at running back means nothing to me. See the CJ threads for more on that. 40 times at halfback is pointless to me.

Pennington on the other hand was a system QB out of Marshall with no NFL measurables. He has a weak arm and is slow-footed. Not a good combo at all. But the NFL always reaches at QB.

So weird contrast there between combine terror and weak athlete.

If you are merely suggesting scouts can be wrong then of course you are correct there. Then again fans are wrong even more often than scouts.

Guys people love routine never even make NFL teams.

 

[Hostile]

Ironic you chose these two guys.

Both guys btw, I would have serious questions about if in this draft.

Why? Penn State running backs always suck... Larry Johnson has major attitude and Enis, Thomas and others just couldn't play. But also because 4.2 at running back means nothing to me. See the CJ threads for more on that. 40 times at halfback is pointless to me.

Pennington on the other hand was a system QB out of Marshall with no NFL measurables. He has a weak arm and is slow-footed. Not a good combo at all. But the NFL always reaches at QB.

So weird contrast there between combine terror and weak athlete.

If you are merely suggesting scouts can be wrong then of course you are correct there. Then again fans are wrong even more often than scouts.

Guys people love routine never even make NFL teams.

I didn't think I needed to spell it out since the point I responding to was a question about why he was seen as a late first or early 2nd round pick.

Next time I won't be so cryptic.

 

[jterrell]

Yeah, I read that. It doesn't really answer the question at all.

The discussion put forth was "who has Cason faced?" The counter question of who the other guys have faced, is every bit as valid as that one but it hasn't been answered. Or is the question only valid as it pertains to one guy, Cason? If those are the rules of engagement then we need to change decks.

You talked about measurables and I've already acknowledged those as a factor.

None of these guys have faced NFL level WRs. That is the point. Cason might get points in the college performance arena but it is minimal all things considered.

I'd actually say Chevis Jackson faced the best WRs as he had all those friggin LSU guys in practice then went through the SEC and of course actually had major bowl competition yearly, something that eluded Cason.

How many guys got into the Pro Football Hall of Fame based on what they did in college?

 

[Hostile]

None of these guys have faced NFL level WRs. That is the point. Cason might get points in the college performance arena but it is minimal all things considered.

I'd actually say Chevis Jackson faced the best WRs as he had all those friggin LSU guys in practice then went through the SEC and of course actually had major bowl competition yearly, something that eluded Cason.

How many guys got into the Pro Football Hall of Fame based on what they did in college?

The exact same number who got in there for eating donuts underwater.

 

[jterrell]

I asked can Antoine Cason be CB1 HERE in Dallas with Terence Newman on the field or is he destined to CB2 duty for the foreseeable future if we draft him?

uh right there.

 

[Stash]

yawn....

I already stated the guy was awesome in college against mediocre players.
I haven't EVER said any other CB had a better college career have I?

If not then you are just typing in vain because you have no point.

I have no point?

Please.

You don't even have a valid argument, instead looking for a weak double-standard to try to minimize actual production over nice measurables. What great players did the other guys face? How clear does this question have to be?!?!?

Mike Mamula.. hahahahaha. We are talking about guys who played real football and played it well. Did you see the Senior Bowl? Did you see DRC dominate that game? Did you see McKelvin shut guys down in practice to the point WRs tried to skip turns to avoid him?

That is all real football. And it is more meaningful for me than if a guy can cover a guy who will not ever get a Senior Bowl invite and whose next job involves a button-down with collar and lace-up shoes.

I see.

One game > four years.

As long as I understand your rationale, however wrong it may be.

Again just so we are clear here and his fan club can relax I have stated I like the guy, feel he is a good selection for us at 28, have moved him up past BOTH Flowers and Talib and wish him well wherever he ends up because he has his head together off the field.

Just because I do not want to tattoo his name on my left cheek does not mean I am not suggesting he sucks.

Hey, thanks for boosting him up your rankings!

 

[jterrell]

The exact same number who got in there for eating donuts underwater.

so the fact cason can eat donuts underwater makes him a top 15 pick then correct?

 

[dbair1967]

I'm going to make this comparison again but he still sounds a lot like Bobby Carpenter. The player was a known commodity, good character and team guy.

Basically we knew what we were getting with Carp when we drafted him. Someone solid but unspectacular. If that's the case with Cason and we have corners with more upside on the board I think you have to take them.

This is exactly how I feel about him...

he is a prospect who is probably as good as he is going to get. He doesnt have a high ceiling to turn into a special player

I think some in here are vastly overrating him and as I have said since the end of January, some may be very surprised where he goes on draft day.

David

 

[Hostile]

uh right there.

I did answer that.

Right here...

As a rookie, no. Can he do the job as a starting NFL CB? Yes. Could he be CB1 over Henry? Absolutely. Over Champ Bailey? Not as a rookie, as I said earlier. Did I say he was the greatest CB ever? No. Did I compare him to Deion Sanders? No. Did I qualify him as a "shutdown CB?" No.

Maybe if you leanred to read more than just the name Deion and misinterpret that part to boot...


Just saying.

 

[jterrell]

I have no point?

Nope. You do not. But you are clearly typing well.

One game > four years.

As long as I understand your rationale, however wrong it may be.

One game, the most recent game any of them have played by the way, against the highest level of consistent competition any of them have faced on a regular basis.

BTW, I answered the competition question... there's lots of posts but I trust you ca find it.