Q&A with Arizona CB Antoine Cason

[Hostile]

so the fact cason can eat donuts underwater makes him a top 15 pick then correct?

Where'd you hear that he can eat donuts under water? I pulled that right out of my butt since it was about as important as what you asked.

Also where'd I project him as top 15...ever?

 

[dbair1967]

You see JT that's what amazes me...

I've said right along that Cason was a borderline 1st rounder.

You've said the same thing.

Which basically translates to the 4th to 6th best corner in the draft.

Theogt thinks Cason is the best corner available in this draft-- yet he has him going where?

The end of the first round.

:laugh2:

Amazing.

I've wondered about that same thing.

I still think he'll go middle to late 2nd rd

David

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Could you post the 'lit up' numbers for me?

I'd like to see how he managed to win the award despite the fact that he was 'lit up' so much.

And I still haven't seen any reference to who the other guys played against?

No, but Mamula looked great in workouts too, didn't he?

And in case you haven't noticed, the Dallas coaching staff hasn't exactly done a great job of 'coaching up' anyone recently, have they?

I didn't say Cason was "lit-up".


GoldenRichards posted everyone's numbers and none of them looked horrid to me.


Tony Romo looks pretty damned "coached-up" to me.

 

[jterrell]

I did answer that.

Right here...



Maybe if you leanred to read more than just the name Deion and misinterpret that part to boot...


Just saying.

ROFL.

Its my fault?

That you can't answer a direct question???

Where did I see you state he could or could not be CB1 in Dallas?

You said basically he could be a CB1 somewhere(not sure how that helps Dallas) and that he wasn't good enough to start over Deion but he could start over Henry(who is CB2).

Is it that hard for you to relax the cakes and simply say, He wouldn't start over Terence Newman".

 

[Hostile]

ROFL.

Its my fault?

Yes, if you can't read.

That you can't answer a direct question???

What part of "as a rookie? No." do you not think is a direct answer to your direct question?

Where did I see you state he could or could not be CB1 in Dallas?

See above comment about "as a rookie? No."

You said basically he could be a CB1 somewhere(not sure how that helps Dallas) and that he wasn't good enough to start over Deion but he could start over Henry(who is CB2).

Uh, no I didn't.

Is it that hard for you to relax the cakes and simply say, He wouldn't start over Terence Newman".

Once again, "as a rookie? No."

Not sure what's so hard to grasp there JT.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think its funny the way JT and Micheal Winiki are hoping back and forth to attempt to prove their points just to fail in the process.

 

[Stash]

I didn't say Cason was "lit-up".


GoldenRichards posted everyone's numbers and none of them looked horrid to me.


Tony Romo looks pretty damned "coached-up" to me.

Sorry, I meant in the secondary. I should have specified.

My bad.

 

[tomson75]

I think its funny the way JT and Micheal Winiki are hoping back and forth to attempt to prove their points just to fail in the process.

Sshhhhhhhhh......dont' tell 'em! This is just getting good.

 

[Hostile]

I think its funny the way JT and Micheal Winiki are hoping back and forth to attempt to prove their points just to fail in the process.

Dude, I'm getting dizzy.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think its funny the way JT and Micheal Winiki are hoping back and forth to attempt to prove their points just to fail in the process.

I'm going to type this slowly so that you may be able to understand it...


"I can't speak for JT, but the ONLY point I have made is that Cason is a borderline 1st round pick, which means he could fall into the second round."


Where have I failed to prove that?


You find me one mock from a respected mockster who has Cason going before DRC and McKelvin.


I'll start the clock-- go get'em Sparky.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Sorry, I meant in the secondary. I should have specified.

My bad.

Easily understood given the quick back & forth nature of this debate.

 

[Hostile]

I'm going to type this slowly so that you may be able to understand it...


"I can't speak for JT, but the ONLY point I have made is that Cason is a borderline 1st round pick, which means he could fall into the second round."


Where have I failed to prove that?


You find me one mock from a respected mockster who has Cason going before DRC and McKelvin.


I'll start the clock-- go get'em Sparky.

You find me one mock that had Emmitt going before Blair Thomas first.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You find me one mock that had Emmitt going before Blair Thomas first.

I know, you're the only one in the country that had Emmitt being drafted before Blair Thomas.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I'm going to type this slowly so that you may be able to understand it...


"I can't speak for JT, but the ONLY point I have made is that Cason is a borderline 1st round pick, which means he could fall into the second round."


Where have I failed to prove that?


You find me one mock from a respected mockster who has Cason going before DRC and McKelvin.


I'll start the clock-- go get'em Sparky.

See this is what i am talking about first you say he is a late 1st round prospect that could fall into the second round now you want me to find a mock where Cason is selected ahead of DRC and McKelvin. Which point are you trying to argue you can't have your cake and eat it to when you figure out your stand point maybe your debate will become clear jump back and forth like that is ridic.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

See this is what i am talking about first you say he is a late 1st round prospect that could fall into the second round now you want me to find a mock where Cason is selected ahead of DRC and McKelvin. Which point are you trying to argue you can't have your cake and eat it to when you figure out your stand point maybe your debate will become clear jump back and forth like that is ridic.

You're wrong sir!


I CAN have my cake and eat it too.

 

[Hostile]

I know, you're the only one in the country that had Emmitt being drafted before Blair Thomas.

How'd you guess? It was the whole thing JT said about Penn State RBs suck. You know depsite the fact that Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell were both Penn State RBs who didn't suck and Larry Johnson hasn't either. I was swept up in the knowledge that Penn State RBs suck in the NFL so I was throwing darts at Blair Thomas picture on Sports Illustrated's draft preview.

Hey, maybe they were voodoo darts and I jinxed his career with that shot to his fellas? Ya think?

Just want to know why those mocks carry such weight. Can I get a straight answer? Scratch that, I'd settle for an honest answer. It doesn't have to be striaght.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How'd you guess? It was the whole thing JT said about Penn State RBs suck. You know depsite the fact that Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell were both Penn State RBs who didn't suck and Larry Johnson hasn't either. I was swept up in the knowledge that Penn State RBs suck in the NFL so I was throwing darts at Blair Thomas picture on Sports Illustrated's draft preview.

Hey, maybe they were voodoo darts and I jinxed his career with that shot to his fellas? Ya think?

Just want to know why those mocks carry such weight. Can I get a straight answer?

Hey, I'm more than happy to wait till the draft and see where Cason is drafted.

 

[Hostile]

Hey, I'm more than happy to wait till the draft and see where Cason is drafted.

So you're saying the eating donuts under water thing moves him down the list huh?

I can't say I'm suprised. Nothing else that has come out of my butt has been good. Don't know why that revelation would be.

 

[Hostile]

This is exactly how I feel about him...

he is a prospect who is probably as good as he is going to get. He doesnt have a high ceiling to turn into a special player

I think some in here are vastly overrating him and as I have said since the end of January, some may be very surprised where he goes on draft day.

David

How come you never acknowledged my response to your direct question?

:

 

[WoodysGirl]

Question to PFW Eric Edholm

I've gotten your Draft Guide, the PFW draft guide, for the last four years. It’s safe to say I enjoy it. It’s concise, you don't mince words. You definitely form an opinion. You are pretty big on character in your negatives area and your summary. SO much of the game is mental, and this is important. What are your sources, generally, for this? Coaches, teammates, pro scouts?

Antoine Cason is a guy that I think divides scouts. Is he a corner that can play man-to-man? Does he have the wheels to press at the next level? I've seen some tape of him, and he seems to have trouble breaking on the ball, and (appears to be) more of a positional guy at this point. I've got him falling well into the second round behind smaller-school guys and less prevalent names, like (Antwaun) Molden of Eastern Kentucky, (Charles) Godfrey of Iowa, and (Patrick) Lee of Auburn. Are my observations sound?

— Andrew Morotti

Andrew,

Most teams take the approach of grading talent separate from character and then factoring in the character grade at the end of the process. For example, Claude Wroten was a first-round talent several years ago, but he warranted a reject character grade from many teams, and his overall grade suffered because of his off-the-field transgressions and unreliability. As a result, he slid to the third round and, thus far, has failed to reach his potential despite showing flashes of greatness, and I would attribute that failure to his character and mental makeup.

To me, even though separate grades can be given for talent and character, the two can never be separated when it comes to determining what type of pros players will become, and anyone who overlooks it, I think, is making a tremendous mistake. To me, work ethic, toughness, competitiveness and intelligence are extremely important traits, and all of the sources you mentioned above (coaches, teammates, scouts) are referenced to arrive at an evaluation of a player’s overall mental makeup, not to mention many others, including high school coaches and anyone who may have come into close contact with players and have intimate knowledge of what makes them tick.

Antoine Cason is interesting. His overall production, ball skills and instincts catch attention, and he has continually proven wrong those who overlooked his ability coming out of high school. In a predominantly zone scheme, I think he could be very effective, but zone corners typically are not valued highly in the draft. Pro Bowlers such as Ronde Barber and Nathan Vasher were not drafted until the middle rounds. Cason worked out better than both and could be drafted earlier than either. He is a far better football player than Molden, who looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane, but his overall physical ability is a notch below Lee’s or Godfrey’s.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/qa041608.htm