QB Johnson should be cut!

[joseephuss]

let me ask you this question before I answer yours...

would you want the Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Otto Graham's of today taking snaps for the cowboys for 2 or 3 games with a playoff spot on the line... probably not...why...probably because they are past their prime...it happens...and if it has happened with Brad Johnson would you still prefer that "winning vet" like Sammy Baugh..etc...

That is a decent point. Two extremes. A vet past his prime or an extremely raw young rookie? I go with experience if the playoffs are on the line. If he fails miserably, you still have one young guy at the #3 QB spot who can then get in the game. In NFL history more veteran QBs have won big games than have young, inexperienced guys.

 

[jaybird]

Here's the problem. You're correct BJ hasn't look good and probaly is over the hill. I wish we would have signed someone else as back up. The problem nobody on the roster is closeto NFL ready, they're all low round or free agent QB'S. I actually wished we would have signed Harrington instead. Unless we cut Brad (not going to happen becaues of his signing bohnus)and sign another QB we NFL exsperience we're stuck with him. If Romo goes down we're in trouble.

 

[Zaxor]

That is a decent point. Two extremes. A vet past his prime or an extremely raw young rookie? I go with experience if the playoffs are on the line. If he fails miserably, you still have one young guy at the #3 QB spot who can then get in the game. In NFL history more veteran QBs have won big games than have young, inexperienced guys.

this is true...however there comes a point of diminishing returns for veterans or no returns at all if they can no longer perform... I would like experience but not at the cost of performance... IF <---please note the BIG IF-- Johnson is incapable of throwing the ball what good is he to us?

 

[Alexander]

Question:

How can anyone think Bartel or Matt Baker is a better option sight unseen?

Has anyone actually seen either play much?

I certainly haven't.

This is being fueled by the blogging nonsense that depicts Johnson as being the worst ever.

I know it is the offseason, but this is crazy and a discussion better served for when we have game action to go off of when we can pretend we know who is better.

 

[Zaxor]

Here's the problem. You're correct BJ hasn't look good and probaly is over the hill. I wish we would have signed someone else as back up. The problem nobody on the roster is closeto NFL ready, they're all low round or free agent QB'S. I actually wished we would have signed Harrington instead. Unless we cut Brad (not going to happen becaues of his signing bohnus)and sign another QB we NFL exsperience we're stuck with him. If Romo goes down we're in trouble.

Oh I agree Jaybird... the question than becomes is it better to lose by 7 points with the vet or by 11 with the rookie...

My personal opinion is that if the vet doesn't look capable than go with the rookie atleast he gains experience... now of course that all changes if the vet is capable of playing the game at a semi high or higher standard.

I am a Brad Johnson fan... I like the guy... but if he can't throw more than 5 yards without the ball hitting the ground he is useless for us.

 

[Alexander]

I share your concern Crazy...

I was all for the Brad Johnson signing but if he can't throw it 5 yards without it hitting the ground...than no game plan will work with him in there and there for the younger ones would be a better option.

Now if the reports are an exageration and he still has a bit of an arm left in him than he is by far the better choice.

Of course he can do better. And he showed less than two years ago that he can be effective in a short-passing game.

If not, our staff is completely inept for signing him in the first place.

I would prefer someone younger also. Same with a stronger arm if we will be throwing downfield more.

But I am pretty certain the blog entries that everyone is basing their hysteria on are more than a little inaccurate or at least exagerrated.

If he can't even make the throwswe need, we have bigger problems than just him. That means our talent evaluators are terrible.

 

[Vintage]

Oh I agree Jaybird... the question than becomes is it better to lose by 7 points with the vet or by 11 with the rookie...

My personal opinion is that if the vet doesn't look capable than go with the rookie atleast he gains experience... now of course that all changes if the vet is capable of playing the game at a semi high or higher standard.

I am a Brad Johnson fan... I like the guy... but if he can't throw more than 5 yards without the ball hitting the ground he is useless for us.

Except instead of losing by 11 with the undrafted rookie, we probably lose by 28.

 

[Zaxor]

Question:

How can anyone think Bartel or Matt Baker is a better option sight unseen?

Has anyone actually seen either play much?

I certainly haven't.

This is being fueled by the blogging nonsense that depicts Johnson as being the worst ever.

I know it is the offseason, but this is crazy and a discussion better served for when we have game action to go off of when we can pretend we know who is better.

this truely is meer speculation and I was going strickly on the observers comments alone... if they prove wrong or right we will see in preseason but it does give us a little something to bite on while we wait

 

[AtlCB]

And if Peyton manning goes down, the Colts are history. If Tom Brady goes down, the Pats are history. If Carson Palmer goes down, the Bengals are history. If Grossman goes down....wait....

 

[Zaxor]

Except instead of losing by 11 with the undrafted rookie, we probably lose by 28.

what difference does it make at the end of the day... its still a lose...

but we could look at it through fan colored glasses and say atleast we got the young guy some experience

just a thought

 

[WoodysGirl]

People forget that Brad is a guy with alot of mileage on his arm. Just checking nfl.com, he's attempted over 4000 passes, not included preseason numbers. Thrown for 28,000 yards. I just don't know that there is any reason for him to try and blow out his arm in the summer.

 

[Zaxor]

Of course he can do better. And he showed less than two years ago that he can be effective in a short-passing game.

If not, our staff is completely inept for signing him in the first place.

I would prefer someone younger also. Same with a stronger arm if we will be throwing downfield more.

But I am pretty certain the blog entries that everyone is basing their hysteria on are more than a little inaccurate or at least exagerrated.

If he can't even make the throwswe need, we have bigger problems than just him. That means our talent evaluators are terrible.

now that would be a bit of dishearting news indeed... I'm pretty sure it is being exaggerated also.

 

[Vintage]

what difference does it make at the end of the day... its still a lose...

but we could look at it through fan colored glasses and say atleast we got the young guy some experience

just a thought

You are right. I would rather lose by 28 with a rookie QB than by 7 with experience at the helm.

Because when you are down by 7, all is lost and the lead is insurmountable. You have no chance.

 

[Zaxor]

People forget that Brad is a guy with alot of mileage on his arm. Just checking nfl.com, he's attempted over 4000 passes, not included preseason numbers. Thrown for 28,000 yards. I just don't know that there is any reason for him to try and blow out his arm in the summer.

I think this is closer to the truth of the matter... I believe he may just be being judicious

 

[WoodysGirl]

I think this is closer to the truth of the matter... I believe he may just be being judicious

Maybe, maybe not. But it's not like he's a young gunner out to prove something. He's already proved he can play. Maybe not to the same level as in years past, but he can still play...effectively, IMO, for about 5 games. Anything over that and the team would be treading water.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

People forget that Brad is a guy with alot of mileage on his arm. Just checking nfl.com, he's attempted over 4000 passes, not included preseason numbers. Thrown for 28,000 yards. I just don't know that there is any reason for him to try and blow out his arm in the summer.

WG, that is a very good point......maybe the coaching staff told him to hold back until training camp......I sure hope this is what is going on.

 

[Hostile]

7th rd pick........would not kill us.

And if Lord forbid something happen to ROMO........we would still have a chance with this guy.

What makes you think Miami is only asking a 7th?

 

[Alexander]

People forget that Brad is a guy with alot of mileage on his arm. Just checking nfl.com, he's attempted over 4000 passes, not included preseason numbers. Thrown for 28,000 yards. I just don't know that there is any reason for him to try and blow out his arm in the summer.

He certainly doesn't need to impress anyone in a non-contact minicamp...much less a bunch of bloggers.

I have a feeling if someone showed up with a strong arm and dotted the "I" with every pass, you would hear about how this player is challenging Romo.

If we watch a preseason game or two with Johnson and he cannot throw five feet, I will get worried then. Either way, we are committed to him and we will live or die with him as a backup. We won't hand over the backup to Matt Baker or Richard Bartel.

And since everyone is stating Johnson's arm is worthless, I suggest if anyone has it available to post footage of the TD he threw on Terence Newman to Marcus Robinson last preseason in the Mike Vanderjagt bowl. His arm looked fine there. He threw for 135 yards in a half against our starters.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

What makes you think Miami is only asking a 7th?

I am assumming due to the fact that most of the NFL realizes the phins acquistion of Green will mean that Culpepper is expendable.

History shows that most teams will wait out his release, therefore, if we offered a token 7th rd pick......they might listen.....as it is better then no picks at all--right?

 

[Alexander]

I am assumming due to the fact that most of the NFL realizes the phins acquistion of Green will mean that Culpepper is expendable.

History shows that most teams will wait out his release, therefore, if we offered a token 7th rd pick......they might listen.....as it is better then no picks at all--right?

What makes Culpepper any better of an option?