QB Salary Cap Discussed by Owners

[Vinnie2u]

Sounds like the owners are trying to protect them from themselves..

 

[Chasing6]

A QB cap does nothing but give the owners more powers. These dudes beg for tax payer $ to fund their stadiums (under threat of leaving), release players for any reason, and make way more than any single player or position through jacked up tickets, vending, merchandise and other partnerships. Especially Jerry:

The poster who suggested the NBA luxury tax is spot on, because that would force teams to truly spend above the cap to keep players and actually go “all in” vs gaslighting their fans into what “all in” means.

Jerry makes more money each year than the entire team combined.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I do not think a cap of any position is the answer. But if the league keeps going how it is, you will end up with 3 very very highly paid players and 50 making league Minimum. That will not be good for the league as the quality of the game will be drastically reduced. I think they could have an exemption for the salary cap. A team can designate 1 player as an exemption and their salary (cap hit) would not be counted against the cap for that year. You could put things in place to make it less attractive for teams to use, something like any player designated 2 or more times during their contract period can not be tagged at the end of the contract. But it would give teams to chance to build a team without the 20-25% of the cap player destroying their chances.

 

[gtb1943]

I do not think a cap of any position is the answer. But if the league keeps going how it is, you will end up with 3 very very highly paid players and 50 making league Minimum. That will not be good for the league as the quality of the game will be drastically reduced. I think they could have an exemption for the salary cap. A team can designate 1 player as an exemption and their salary (cap hit) would not be counted against the cap for that year. You could put things in place to make it less attractive for teams to use, something like any player designated 2 or more times during their contract period can not be tagged at the end of the contract. But it would give teams to chance to build a team without the 20-25% of the cap player destroying their chances.

This sounds reasonable; not single out QBs. But it is also true that when it comes down to it the owners have done this to themselves.

 

[bandfan]

Here is an article explaining it:

Simply put, the luxury tax is a system designed to reward teams for staying under a set limit of spending — and punish those that don't.

As mentioned above, a salary cap does exist in the NBA. The exact cap will be decided during the July moratorium (a period when league officials determine the exact figures for the upcoming season), but current estimates project it will be somewhere around $136 million.

Here's where it gets a little confusing. Teams are allowed to use certain exceptions to exceed the salary cap, including bi-annual exceptions, mid-level exceptions, Bird rights, and more. For more information on those, you can read up here.

Teams can use exceptions to exceed the salary cap, often by a lot. But they can only spend so much before they get hit with the luxury tax.

There is an additional luxury tax line separate from the salary cap. This year, it is projected to be set at around $165 million. The further teams go past the luxury tax line, the more fees they will have to pay. The exact fees are determined annually using a complex formula, but you can find the figures from the 2021-22 season below, per HoopsRumors.com.

• $0-5 million above tax line: $1.50 per dollar (up to $7.5 million)
• $5-10 million above tax line: $1.75 per dollar (up to $8.75 million)
• $10-15 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
• $15-20 million above tax line: $3.25 per dollar (up to $16.25 million).
• For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, fees increase by $0.50 per dollar.

The penalties are also more severe for teams labeled "repeat offenders." This means they have exceeded the luxury tax line in three out of the last four seasons. Here are the fees for repeat offenders:

• $0-5 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
• $5-10 million above tax line: $2.75 per dollar (up to $13.75 million)
• $10-15 million above tax line: $3.50 per dollar (up to $17.5 million)
• $15-20 million above tax line: $4.25 per dollar (up to $21.25 million)
• For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, rates increase by $0.50 per dollar.

Those harsh punishments for teams above the tax line have served as an effective deterrent for reckless spending. Only five teams are projected to exceed the luxury tax line in 2023-24. Those teams are listed below, along with the projected fees they would have to pay.

(All figures taken from Spotrac.)

Team	Payroll	Luxury tax space	Luxury tax fees
LA Clippers	$201.9 million	$-36.8 million	$155.5 million
Golden State Warriors	$181.1 million	$-16.1 million	$48.6 million
Phoenix Suns	$175 million	$-10.1 million	$16.4 million
Boston Celtics	$173.3 million	$-8.3 million	$13.2 million
Miami Heat	$173.1 million	$-8.1 million	$13 million

There is one final wrinkle with the current luxury tax system. As of the 2023-24 season, a new "second apron" will be added that brings another hurdle for teams well over the luxury tax line. Any team that ends up $17.5 million above the luxury tax threshold will face even more severe punishments, including losing its mid-level exception, essentially limiting them to only signing players on minimum contracts.

The NBA should have a "Not playing defense tax"

 

[Denim Chicken]

Socialize the NFL! All players get the same pay as a % of revenue. Differences between salary based upon tenure. Individual endorsement deals provide extra incentive to top players.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Sounds like the owners are trying to protect them from themselves..

MLB imposes penalties for teams that exceed the salary cap. 22 of 30 teams currently have losing records. The NFL owners know better than to go that direction. Any suggestion of restriction of compensation or penalty for paying any player(s) too much will be rejected by the NFLPA. If the Cowboys choose not to pay a quarterback over $50 million per year that’s fine, they still have to pay a total compensation amount to their roster.

 

[fivetwos]

The QB salaries are way out of of hand we know, but many around here seem to think it’s simple to end up with a good performing QB on the cheap, when in realty it’s next to impossible….rare at least.

They would need to be drafted, be ready to play immediately, and if they don’t bust you’ve got three seasons max before they demand to be paid….and that’s very best case. Typically if you hit on a QB in the draft you’re looking at one to two seasons of below market cost….and even then you’re likely dealing with dead money from the last guy over that time.

There aren’t enough of them, and why teams would rather overpay than throw in the white towel. It’s all capped anyway, just a matter of significantly more going to one player as opposed to spread around more.

The gap is widening to the point where eventual locker room resentment wouldn’t surprise me in certain cases.

They need a better developmental system for guys that need it. Don’t ask me what that could be lol, but if a guy like Romo had to play right away he wouldn’t have had the career that he did, if at all.

 

[thunderpimp91]

The QB salaries are way out of of hand we know, but many around here seem to think it’s simple to end up with a good performing QB on the cheap, when in realty it’s next to impossible….rare at least.

They would need to be drafted, be ready to play immediately, and if they don’t bust you’ve got three seasons max before they demand to be paid….and that’s very best case. Typically if you hit on a QB in the draft you’re looking at one to two seasons of below market cost….and even then you’re likely dealing with dead money from the last guy over that time.

There aren’t enough of them, and why teams would rather overpay than throw in the white towel. It’s all capped anyway, just a matter of significantly more going to one player as opposed to spread around more.

The gap is widening to the point where eventual locker room resentment wouldn’t surprise me in certain cases.

They need a better developmental system for guys that need it. Don’t ask me what that could be lol, but if a guy like Romo had to play right away he wouldn’t have had the career that he did, if at all.

You make some good points in your post, however it's not quite as simple as you have to pay a QB after year 3 so you only get a brief window below market cost. Joe Burrow is just 11% of the cap this year in year 2 of his deal, Mahomes is 14% in year 4, Jalen Hurts only 5% in year 2. Dak was 9%, 9%, 11%, now the bill comes due as he's at 22% of the cap + dead money after this year.

IMO the appeal of a rookie QB is not just the rookie deal, but you should have some cap flex in there those first couple years of their 2nd deals as well, possibly longer depending on the length of the contract. I think a lot of teams running into issues with these QB contracts doesn't have to do as much with the AAV as it does with the other terms of the deals.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Maybe a bit off topic, but I think the league needs a rule to deal with RBs salaries. People don’t want to sign them for a lot of money because of the cap and many of them wear out after 3-4 years. I believe not counting % of their salary against the cap would make more sense.

A clever GM would totally take advantage of this. Look for a RB that has about 6-7 years of wear and tear but is a proven performer when healthy. Offer that RB three years, 30 million. Let's say 50% of that doesn't count for cap purposes. Now you have a nice chunk of money not counting against the cap for the next three years, extra money to give to a good player or to fill out a weak area of a roster. If that RB still can perform at a high level, you made the deal of the year. A perfect example of this is Saquan Barkley. If only 50% of his salary would count against the cap, he'd have had a lot more suitors than Philly. I'm sure RB's around the league would be all for this.

 

[CowboyFrog]

You make some good points in your post, however it's not quite as simple as you have to pay a QB after year 3 so you only get a brief window below market cost. Joe Burrow is just 11% of the cap this year in year 2 of his deal, Mahomes is 14% in year 4, Jalen Hurts only 5% in year 2. Dak was 9%, 9%, 11%, now the bill comes due as he's at 22% of the cap + dead money after this year.

IMO the appeal of a rookie QB is not just the rookie deal, but you should have some cap flex in there those first couple years of their 2nd deals as well, possibly longer depending on the length of the contract. I think a lot of teams running into issues with these QB contracts doesn't have to do as much with the AAV as it does with the other terms of the deals.

this shows how incompetent our FO is at doing extensions...seriously..the HOLD HOLD HOLD routine is a horrible way to do this..

 

[jrumann59]

They do not need a league rule. They just need to practice self restraint. The Browns did not have to trade for Watson then give him a stupid contract, they choose to. The Cowboys do not have to overpay Dak again, they are choosing to. Maybe what they should do is only allow up to 4 year contracts for free agents changing teams while the team that drafted said player can still do the 5-6+ year extensions as normal.

Good idea but QBs and their Agents will hold the team that drafted them at gun point and say we will not sign a longer contract if Team A will give us 4 years 100M and you want to give us 6 years 140M

 

[Chasing6]

Good idea but QBs and their Agents will hold the team that drafted them at gun point and say we will not sign a longer contract if Team A will give us 4 years 100M and you want to give us 6 years 140M

It is easy to hold a GM at gun point for any position if you don't have a back up plan.

 

[CowboyFrog]

It is easy to hold a GM at gun point for any position if you don't have a back up plan.

this, the agents know who they are dealing with and they are not scared at all...

 

[jrumann59]

It is easy to hold a GM at gun point for any position if you don't have a back up plan.

Yes but a decent QB is one position that really is hard to plan for, it is the one position where drafting replacements are a crap shoot. Dak is a good example look at all the QBs drafted ahead of him, Jared Goff is the only one that is on "par" with Dak. I am not the biggest Dak fan but the amount the Rams spent to get Goff actually makes Dak a better option.

 

[Chasing6]

Yes but a decent QB is one position that really is hard to plan for, it is the one position where drafting replacements are a crap shoot. Dak is a good example look at all the QBs drafted ahead of him, Jared Goff is the only one that is on "par" with Dak. I am not the biggest Dak fan but the amount the Rams spent to get Goff actually makes Dak a better option.

Well GB figured it out. Bellichick in NE always had a plan. It can be done.

 

[jrumann59]

Well GB figured it out. Bellichick in NE always had a plan. It can be done.

We will see if GB has it figured out Love is in year 4 this year lets see how they figure it out. NE never figured much out they had Brady, yeah the years he was hurt they had good back ups. But when Brady left Mac Jones was the plan.

 

[Chasing6]

We will see if GB has it figured out Love is in year 4 this year lets see how they figure it out. NE never figured much out they had Brady, yeah the years he was hurt they had good back ups. But when Brady left Mac Jones was the plan.

Mac Jones was a good plan. Having a DC become an OC and changing the offense 3 times in 3 years was idiotic.

 

[jrumann59]

Mac Jones was a good plan. Having a DC become an OC and changing the offense 3 times in 3 years was idiotic.

So how was it a good plan, your words, NE has it figured out, but yet they could not figure out how to make an offense work with Mac Jones 3 times now. It is possible Mac could be the next "Brady" but he is looking like a middle of the pack starter right now in his career.

 

[Chasing6]

So how was it a good plan, your words, NE has it figured out, but yet they could not figure out how to make an offense work with Mac Jones 3 times now. It is possible Mac could be the next "Brady" but he is looking like a middle of the pack starter right now in his career.

Mac Jones had a great rookie year. They lost their OC to the Raiders. He was replaced by not 1, but 2 DC's competing at the same time for the OC job. That sounds like a genius plan for a second year QB or any QB for that matter.

So you're in camp with 2 different OC's, 2 different offenses and 2 coaches that have no idea what they are doing. Mac was not happy about it and made it obvious to everyone and anyone. Bellichick did not like that Mac Jones reached outside the organization for help. Next think you know Bellichick wanted to trade him.

It is Belli's way or the highway.