QB Situations in the NFL: Where does Dallas fall?

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Where do we fall?

Look at Jethro!

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I do not condone overstating his place in history at this point in his career. It is disrespectful to those who came before. However, I do think it is perfectly reasonable to say that we have never seen the combination of skills and traits he brings to the table. We'll have plenty of time later to discuss all his accomplishments.

The dude just won a Super Bowl AFTER losing his best WRs. A WR who is arguably the best in the league. In fact, I was telling someone last week I couldn't name even one of the Chiefs WRs ...lol.

 

[Kingofholland]

The flaw in this list is I don't think there's many QBs if any, that can go toe to toe with Mahomes and split 5 of 10 matchups with him. There is a middle ground between Mahomes and average though so I do think there is a 6th option.

6. Expensive QB contract for above average talent

 

[Risen Star]

I miss the closeness we shared during the Romo years.

 

[conner01]

Again we are not saying there are any QBs that are better than Mahomes.

The question is do we have a QB that can go toe to toe with him in a playoff setting?

If we dont, than we are #5 on this list

So is 31 other teams

 

[conner01]

The flaw in this list is I don't think there's many QBs if any, that can go toe to toe with Mahomes and split 5 of 10 matchups with him. There is a middle ground between Mahomes and average though so I do think there is a 6th option.

6. Expensive QB contract for above average talent

Exactly

 

[Jimbo123]

The only reason he out played him is because Mahomes played with a high ankle sprain and thanks to a fumble by Hurts he didn’t have to get on the field as much since Hurts defense sucked that game.

 

[USArmyVet]

No one of them. Hurts ended up fumbling and costing his team the game because he couldn’t keep up. Allen is a turnover fraud who has never beaten Mahomes in the playoffs…..Burrow….probably the best argument but I’d never put money on him to outduel Mahomes.

LOL...after Hurts fumble that was a TD return for KC the score was tied 14-14....Hurts then led Philly to 10 points the next 2 drives to take a 24-14 halftime lead.....the Philly defense then allowed 24 second half points to KC which is what cost Philly the game.

Don't let Hurts threat to Dak as the best QB in the NFC East cloud your view.

PS

Funny how in one thread you blame Hurts for costing Philly the game but then you state "since Hurts defense sucked that game.", which is actually the reason for the Philly loss.

 

[Flamma]

Where do we fall?

This is flawed. No one over pays for average. They over pay their QB for a lack of a better choice. Daniel Jones is the perfect example. Pay him top dollar or find someone else. Like if you were dying of thirst walking out of a desert and I charged you 50 bucks for a bottle of water. What are your choices? In a perfect world Kyler Murray and Dak would be paid what they're worth. But it doesn't work that way if your alternatives are limited. You're paying 50 bucks for that bottle of water because you may not get that chance again.

 

[WillieBeamen]

This is flawed. No one over pays for average. They over pay their QB for a lack of a better choice. Daniel Jones is the perfect example. Pay him top dollar or find someone else. Like if you were dying of thirst walking out of a desert and I charged you 50 bucks for a bottle of water. What are your choices? In a perfect world Kyler Murray and Dak would be paid what they're worth. But it doesn't work that way if your alternatives are limited. You're paying 50 bucks for that bottle of water because you may not get that chance again.

You always have a better choice than being stuck with average

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

This is flawed. No one over pays for average. They over pay their QB for a lack of a better choice. Daniel Jones is the perfect example. Pay him top dollar or find someone else. Like if you were dying of thirst walking out of a desert and I charged you 50 bucks for a bottle of water. What are your choices? In a perfect world Kyler Murray and Dak would be paid what they're worth. But it doesn't work that way if your alternatives are limited. You're paying 50 bucks for that bottle of water because you may not get that chance again.

You're making it sound like Dak is the only option with that water analogy.

It's more like you can have this water for $50 or you can have this other water that can do the same thing for you for $25.

Dak is not a premium product. He just got premium pay.

Him getting paid didn't make him special in the talent department all of a sudden. We went 4-1 without him this year. There are MUCH cheaper QBs that could've lead the NFL in INTs and played horrible against the 49ers in the playoffs. I promise you that.

That's what makes us "Dak haters" mad about the whole situation. We're wasting money and time on a QB that will never lead you anywhere when we could've got that somewhere else for cheaper while looking for a real QB at the same time.

 

[Flamma]

You're making it sound like Dak is the only option with that water analogy.

It's more like you can have this water for $50 or you can have this other water that can do the same thing for you for $25.

Dak is not a premium product. He just got premium pay.

Him getting paid didn't make him special in the talent department all of a sudden. We went 4-1 without him this year. There are MUCH cheaper QBs that could've lead the NFL in INTs and played horrible against the 49ers in the playoffs. I promise you that.

That's what makes us "Dak haters" mad about the whole situation. We're wasting money and time on a QB that will never lead you anywhere when we could've got that somewhere else for cheaper while looking for a real QB at the same time.

As much as I don't like Dak, a team can win with a QB of his talents. Our front office doesn't put in the effort. I'm not an NFL owner, but if I was, I wouldn't allow for a QB to extort money from me. I'm not paying Aaron Rodgers money for a QB that isn't Aaron Rodgers. Even if that means having some bad years. Every year teams have to make that decision. Some have no choice. Because what are your alternatives?

 

[StarOfGlory]

No one of them. Hurts ended up fumbling and costing his team the game because he couldn’t keep up. Allen is a turnover fraud who has never beaten Mahomes in the playoffs…..Burrow….probably the best argument but I’d never put money on him to outduel Mahomes.

His defense and coaching cost him the game. Andy Reid schooled Gannon that second half. Eagles scored 35 points. If Dak put up 35 points in a game and lost, every Dak stan here would blame the defense because 35 points wins games. And this time, they would be right to defend Dak. You lose a game when your offense scored 35, something else blew the game in the big picture, not the QB.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

As much as I don't like Dak, a team can win with a QB of his talents. Our front office doesn't put in the effort. I'm not an NFL owner, but if I was, I wouldn't allow for a QB to extort money from me. I'm not paying Aaron Rodgers money for a QB that isn't Aaron Rodgers. Even if that means having some bad years. Every year teams have to make that decision. Some have no choice. Because what are your alternatives?

My alternative is to sign a much cheaper QB and have the same success that we have with Dak while looking for an actual QB that's worth that top pay. As I said you can lead the NFL in INTs and fail in the playoffs for much cheaper than you're paying Dak.

I don't think it's as difficult as some want to make it. The only thing that makes it difficult is hitching your wagons to a QB that needs a ton of help like the Cowboys have done for the past 15 years with Dak and Romo. Even then if you want to you can be on the hunt for your future QB. The last time the Cowboys took the QB position seriously was when they drafted Aikman.

I use the Rams as an example all the time. If Goff played for the Cowboys and led us to the Super Bowl like he did the Rams he would've been our QB for the next 15 years. Instead, the Rams knew he was a weak link, moved on, traded for Stafford, and instantly won the Super Bowl. Jerry would've NEVER moved on from that. That's an example of a team making a trade to get a missing piece.

Here's the other route the Cowboys refuse to do.... The Cowboys would've never traded up to draft Mahomes in a year that Alex Smith led them to the playoffs. Jerry and Co would have been 100% happy with that and would think they just need to put more help around Smith refusing to see that Smith is the weakness here. That's an example of a team taking a chance and drafting a QB, letting him sit a year, and then giving him the chance.

Then you have the Bucs and Brady. The Bucs moved on from Winston and signed Brady and instantly won the Super Bowl. The Cowboys could've signed Brady, but they didn't, because they didn't want to risk it or move on from Dak. That's an example of a team signing a high level veteran QB and it changing the whole franchise.

The last 3 Super Bowl champs have been teams that were taking the QB position seriously and either draft, sign, or trade for a QB while moving on from a weak link at the position.

So, it's simple really to me. You draft, sign, or trade for a QB. If it doesn't work out then oh well, because it's not working out with Dak either, but you have to take the risks to get the rewards.

 

[ClappingCarrot]

I'm not sure why we put ourselves through these kind of mental exercises.

Dak isn't going anywhere. I wish the Joneses would consider the alternative but they never will. You don't just magically catch fire and start winning championships in year 8 in the league. At some point you'd think they'd accept that Dak is who he is, but they'll stay the course with him in hopes of being proven "right."

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I'm not sure why we put ourselves through these kind of mental exercises.

Dak isn't going anywhere. I wish the Joneses would consider the alternative but they never will. You don't just magically catch fire and start winning championships in year 8 in the league. At some point you'd think they'd accept that Dak is who he is, but they'll stay the course with him in hopes of being proven "right."

Yup.

The second Dak signs the extension another decade or so of failure will surely follow.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

This is flawed. No one over pays for average. They over pay their QB for a lack of a better choice. Daniel Jones is the perfect example. Pay him top dollar or find someone else. Like if you were dying of thirst walking out of a desert and I charged you 50 bucks for a bottle of water. What are your choices? In a perfect world Kyler Murray and Dak would be paid what they're worth. But it doesn't work that way if your alternatives are limited. You're paying 50 bucks for that bottle of water because you may not get that chance again.

Bingo, bingo ...........It's ALL about options.

 

[cnuball21]

This is flawed. No one over pays for average. They over pay their QB for a lack of a better choice. Daniel Jones is the perfect example. Pay him top dollar or find someone else. Like if you were dying of thirst walking out of a desert and I charged you 50 bucks for a bottle of water. What are your choices? In a perfect world Kyler Murray and Dak would be paid what they're worth. But it doesn't work that way if your alternatives are limited. You're paying 50 bucks for that bottle of water because you may not get that chance again.

Pretty accurate. FAs are always overpaid, in every sport…the QB position is the extreme.

 

[Yobwocs]

How did Hurts outplay Mahomes? Did you see Mahomes in that 2nd half? Went 4 for 4 on drives where Hurts went only 1 for 3.

 

[WillieBeamen]

How did Hurts outplay Mahomes? Did you see Mahomes in that 2nd half? Went 4 for 4 on drives where Hurts went only 1 for 3.

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