CFZ QBs alone don’t win SBs- TEAMS win SBs

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[Cebrin]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

It's not rocket science. It's a football team, not tennis. However, most people who pretend to hate S.A.S. and all of the other moron, click bait reporters do nothing but parot their every thought in one way or another.

 

[Rockport]

There’s actually more bust and sad disappointments that the success and upside of a Josh Allen .Add Allen to any average roster and he immediately impacts and elevates it.

Once he makes it to a Super Bowl he’ll be the next golden goose everyone will hoist like they have Mahomes. If we don’t think QB’s like those wouldn’t make a difference for us we’ve lost our minds.

Unfortunately there simply isn’t enough of those type of Elite QB’s to go around. Like most teams we have to do the best we can with what we have. Anyone who doesnt see how much easier it is to build around those type of talents are blind.

The NFL is a talent based league. Look what the skills and god given ability of Parsons has delivered to our defense. Talent matters.

I’m not sure why fans want to try to discredit other great talents to prop up our own guys who aren’t as talented. We don’t have as great of QB as some teams. Ok , most don’t. We just have to build around it as best we can like most teams . It doesn’t mean our lack of having an Elite QB is our core issue.

Dak is enough to build around . The rest is just sour grapes from frustrated fans. I get it. They want a greater QB. We all do but it is what it is. Nothing more nothing less. Not directed at you but others that can’t handle the truth. They need to get over it.

He’s playing with the second best defense in the entire NFL.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

The two problems with this opinion, (though I agree with it in principle), is: 1) difficult to win it all, success is based on play-off wins (not SB's) 2) that this 'next-man-up' pay structure for QB's puts that expectation at a higher level. Indeed it brings up the discussion that when you dont have an elite master of his craft (eg Brady, Mahomes or Rogers) is it better to gamble $40m on an Veteran (non-elite) QB or is it more effective to pay a lesser QB and spread the CAP by improving the roster.

 

[IrishAnto]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

Which is why Dallas win SBs anymore. The Jones's acquire talent but can't build a good enough team to really compete at the highest level.
And when I say team that would include everyone from the water boy on up!

 

[cowboyed]

Which is why Dallas win SBs anymore. The Jones's acquire talent but can't build a good enough team to really compete at the highest level.
And when I say team that would include everyone from the water boy on up!

That is pretty much how I see it.

 

[Whirlwin]

So what happens when a QB has a great game like you mentioned, 350 yard and 3 TDs but the defense allows over 30 points and they lose

That’s why it takes a team. But you know that

 

[cnuball21]

I haven’t set any bar for Prescott. He’s not a QB I’d place in the upper echelon so he hasn’t been disappointing. But franchise QB ‘s often are over paid.

But it’s shameful to place Rodgers in the same breath as Foles or Dilpher.

And if you don’t see Wilson and Stafford at a higher level with their careers then I’d check those rose colored glasses.

I’d place Dak more in the Watson, Murray type category . Which isn’t that bad of place to be. I’m not sure Dak has the same raw ability but his achievements are more parallel to theirs.

Stafford? Are you serious?

He was literally the definition of good QB on a bad team and rotted away in Detroit until the Rams surrounded him with an all star team.

 

[SultanOfSix]

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[Diehardblues]

Stafford? Are you serious?

He was literally the definition of good QB on a bad team and rotted away in Detroit until the Rams surrounded him with an all star team.

Yea I am. There’s a reason the Rams who were a playoff caliber team traded a couple first round picks for Stafford . He was enough to take Rams to next level . Results matter.

 

[Starforever]

This type of thinking continually falls on deaf ears. Most cannot conceptualize that football is a team sport. The special teams, offense and defense all operate differently, but must play as a unit in order for the team to win. Missed assignments, poor execution, penalties, bad coaching, being out coached/out played; you never know what is going to happen, from one game to another.

 

[cnuball21]

Yea I am. There’s a reason the Rams who were a playoff caliber team traded a couple first round picks for Stafford . He was enough to take Rams to next level . Results matter.

Right, my point is he did nothing in Detroit. Zero results bc his team sucked.

Good QB and bad team equals no playoff success.

 

[Diehardblues]

Right, my point is he did nothing in Detroit. Zero results bc his team sucked.

Good QB and bad team equals no playoff success.

I wouldn’t say he did nothing. He made Pro Bowl and took them to playoffs a couple times and consistently put up some good numbers despite being on mostly a crappy franchise . And why the Rams knew he was worth the investment .

I think most who follow the NFL closely knew the Lions issues weren’t about their QB.

 

[USArmyVet]

He’s playing with the second best defense in the entire NFL.

...so what will Dak's and his defenders excuse given Dallas has a Top 5 defense?

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

you couldn't be more wrong.

Dak doesn't win games or superbowls. Team wins it. but Dak loses games and playoff games. Other QBs win games and Superbowls. except when its convenient to my argument,then team wins.

It certainly doesn’t help if your QB stinks up the joint.

 

[cnuball21]

I wouldn’t say he did nothing. He made Pro Bowl and took them to playoffs a couple times and consistently put up some good numbers despite being on mostly a crappy franchise . And why the Rams knew he was worth the investment .

I think most who follow the NFL closely knew the Lions issues weren’t about their QB.

Yea, I mean he’s a good QB and again played for a bad team. His numbers last year were almost mirrored to Daks.

Oh and btw in the Super Bowl he threw 2 picks, had a QBR under 90 and his defense had 7 sacks. 7. I’ll add Matthew Stafford is 11-72 (. 132) against teams with a winning record in his career.

 

[BourbonBalz]

The real issue is that Dak Prescott has shown that he is incapable of playing at the level required of a quarterback who is supposed to lead a Super Bowl caliber team.
Therefore, he holds the rest of the team back. He chokes and shuts down anytime the game gets too big.
A quarterback can't win a Super Bowl on his own, but for a team to win one it must have a quarterback who doesn't choke in big games.

Dak played very well against the Packers in the 2016 playoff game. Plenty good enough to win and advance. The defense failed him.

 

[glimmerman]

It’s a team game that has 3 phases. He is one guy in one phase. 10 other players need to do there jobs to be successful in that phase.

11 people on the Defense that need to do there jobs and keep opposing offense from scoring.

11 people on ST that need to score points when needed. And pin a opposing team deep or get us good field position..

All together is a beautiful thing and if your the best at it then you get a ring and trophy and a parade.

 

[nightrain]

Three personnel figures within football ops that can make a huge difference when they highly productive and aligned together are the QB, HC and GM. That's the team that makes the biggest difference, imo. With those 3 organizational roles optimized, the probability of success is at its peak.

The Cowboys have been competitive, but not able to advance with the top 4 teams in the Conference. The Cowboys biggest disconnect from success, imo, is the role of the GM and how his lack of accountability and murky organizational structure has a trickle down effect that creates a drag on the organization.

 

[Bobhaze]

Three personnel figures within football ops that can make a huge difference when they highly productive and aligned together are the QB, HC and GM. That's the team that makes the biggest difference, imo. With those 3 organizational roles optimized, the probability of success is at its peak.

The Cowboys have been competitive, but not able to advance with the top 4 teams in the Conference. The Cowboys biggest disconnect from success, imo, is the role of the GM and how his lack of accountability and murky organizational structure has a trickle down effect that creates a drag on the organization.

Truth. Organizational Health matters.