CFZ QBs alone don’t win SBs- TEAMS win SBs

[cnuball21]

THIS times a million. So you pair those elite QBs with elite head coaches and you get 2 of the 3 ingredients required for longterm NFL success. And then when you add in the GM in most cases you complete that NFL success triangle.

Belicheck-Brady
Dungy-Manning
Tomlin- Big Ben
Payton-Brees
Carroll-Wilson
Reid-Mahommes

I mean a rare historical defense might can pull off a fluke year with a game manager but the combo of McCarthy-Dak ain't in the same zip code of either coaching or Quarterbacking talent as those listed above.

And I could care less about McCheese's career win/loss record because he's a fraud and again, Jerry is the GM.

This recipe to success is the answer to any long term NFL success.

Dallas is Zero for 3 on all three ingredients.

Did you watch the super bowls for Ben’s first win and Wilson’s? Ben’s was one of the worst QB performances ever and Russ played a mediocre game for his standards.

I get your point, just saying.

 

[Reid1boys]

Sad part is it has always been this way, Teams win SB in what is the ultimate team sports "Football" yet some still can't grasp this concept

Place 25 other qbs on the bills last week and they lose to the bills. Maybe more like 29 other qbs.

 

[Reid1boys]

You either need an elite QB or an elite defense.

Ding ding ding ding ding..... so for all you that keep arguing against the great qb, it’s smoke... great d, great qb, that covers about 90% of all sb winners.

Not that complicated.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I agree.

But certain QBs allows your team to have a different margin for error.

For example, if your QB is Patrick Mahomes the margin for error at other positions is much bigger than if your QB is Baker Mayfield.

Also, about Nick Foles, outside of the Divisional Round Game he was great in the playoffs, throwing for over 350 yards and 3 TDs (also had 1 receiving TD) in both the Conference Championship and Super Bowl.

True, but remember, Dak as a rookie threw for over 300 yards, 3 TDs and a 103 passer rating during the 2016 Divisional Playoff 34 - 31 loss to the Packers. Dak played plenty of good enough to help the team win. It was the Defense's poor performance and the crooked Refs who helped Green Bay win. Dak played very well and good enough to have helped the Cowboys advance to the conference championship game, but instead, he gets blasted for the team's failure.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201701150dal.htm#all_player_offense

 

[Diehardblues]

Franchise QB’s are the foundation for every great franchise. The closer they are to Elite the easier it is build around .

It’s not a solve all solution but man, it sure helps. Makes it much tougher without one.

That said it doesn’t guarantee success but we certainly see for the most part the teams with an Elite QB are more consistently serious contenders.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

Also your team can’t commit 10 penalties per game.

 

[75boyz]

Did you watch the super bowls for Ben’s first win and Wilson’s? Ben’s was one of the worst QB performances ever and Russ played a mediocre game for his standards.

I get your point, just saying.

Totally. I understand.
My thing is for all the coach/QB duos I mentioned there was irrefutable "long term" evidence regarding consistent playoffs and sometimes SB wins. Overall body of work while together.

Like a decade or more in most cases but with Reid/Mahommes just now getting started in this era.

 

[FVSTONE]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

The problem with Prescot is he just doesn't show up in meaningful games. DCs in the league will deliberately choke off the run game so that Prescot will have to beat them with his arm and he couldn't do it when he had a true number 1 to throw to and a Hall of Fame TE to boot! Now he's returning with a slew of number 2s or 3 receivers and DCs are going to force him to throw the ball and I'm afraid we're going to get the same Prescot back, the guy who doesn't show up for meaningful games.

 

[75boyz]

Place 25 other qbs on the bills last week and they lose to the bills. Maybe more like 29 other qbs.

I differ with you on other topics but my opinion aligns perfectly with yours on the importance of elite QB play to team success.
And those that try to diminish the importance of an elite QB's role to success I have problems with.

 

[Rockport]

Place 25 other qbs on the bills last week and they lose to the bills. Maybe more like 29 other qbs.

For every Josh Allen there is a Joe Flaccid.

 

[Rockport]

Place 25 other qbs on the bills last week and they lose to the bills. Maybe more like 29 other qbs.

The Bills have the #2 ranked defense in the NFL as well. How’s that foot taste?

 

[morat1959]

I’ve never seen a QB in the SB with the deer in the headlights look that Dak gets…EVER!

 

[GINeric]

I’d have to add Stafford and probably Wilson who both have won a Super Bowl. And tough to argue against Rodgers .

Brady isn’t actually one of the top paid QB’s. Not even top 10.

Murray, Watson and Carr just got paid and are all up there.

Stafford went along for the ride that 15 other quarterbacks would have. Stafford led the league in interceptions during that superbowl run.... leading the league in interceptions does not justify max dollars. The Rams won in spite of him.

Russ is earning his money with Denver???? Hmmm.... have you watched the Broncos lately????


Rodgers is a great quarterback, but.... only have one superbowl win after all of these years. He has the same Superbowl win percentage as Nick Foles and Trent Dilpher.

None of the rest of the quarterbacks you've named are earning their money according to the bar set for Dak justifying his money. Im just following protocol.

 

[mattjames2010]

Ya think?

 

[KJJ]

It takes a real good team to win a Super Bowl but when you get to the Super Bowl it’s usually the QB who ultimately wins it, which is why QBs are named Super Bowl MVP more than any other player. They usually end up being a hero or the goat.

 

[nalam]

You either need an elite QB or an elite defense.

Tampa Bay ( With Sapp) and Baltimore were pure defense carrying the team to a victory in SB.

But Elite QBs too needed decent D and team members to win SB, like pats with Brady and even Mahomes and Rodgers, needed other parts of the team to be decent.

I think having an fantastic D increases your chances in playoffs.

 

[Diehardblues]

Stafford went along for the ride that 15 other quarterbacks would have. Stafford led the league in interceptions during that superbowl run.... leading the league in interceptions does not justify max dollars. The Rams won in spite of him.

Russ is earning his money with Denver???? Hmmm.... have you watched the Broncos lately????


Rodgers is a great quarterback, but.... only have one superbowl win after all of these years. He has the same Superbowl win percentage as Nick Foles and Trent Dilpher.

None of the rest of the quarterbacks you've named are earning their money according to the bar set for Dak justifying his money. Im just following protocol.

I haven’t set any bar for Prescott. He’s not a QB I’d place in the upper echelon so he hasn’t been disappointing. But franchise QB ‘s often are over paid.

But it’s shameful to place Rodgers in the same breath as Foles or Dilpher.

And if you don’t see Wilson and Stafford at a higher level with their careers then I’d check those rose colored glasses.

I’d place Dak more in the Watson, Murray type category . Which isn’t that bad of place to be. I’m not sure Dak has the same raw ability but his achievements are more parallel to theirs.

 

[Diehardblues]

For every Josh Allen there is a Joe Flaccid.

There’s actually more bust and sad disappointments that the success and upside of a Josh Allen .Add Allen to any average roster and he immediately impacts and elevates it.

Once he makes it to a Super Bowl he’ll be the next golden goose everyone will hoist like they have Mahomes. If we don’t think QB’s like those wouldn’t make a difference for us we’ve lost our minds.

Unfortunately there simply isn’t enough of those type of Elite QB’s to go around. Like most teams we have to do the best we can with what we have. Anyone who doesnt see how much easier it is to build around those type of talents are blind.

The NFL is a talent based league. Look what the skills and god given ability of Parsons has delivered to our defense. Talent matters.

I’m not sure why fans want to try to discredit other great talents to prop up our own guys who aren’t as talented. We don’t have as great of QB as some teams. Ok , most don’t. We just have to build around it as best we can like most teams . It doesn’t mean our lack of having an Elite QB is our core issue.

Dak is enough to build around . The rest is just sour grapes from frustrated fans. I get it. They want a greater QB. We all do but it is what it is. Nothing more nothing less. Not directed at you but others that can’t handle the truth. They need to get over it.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

More fodder for the bunker Dakkers having another excuse tha (in your best mean girl voices) If everyone around Dak were great or perfect, Dak could win ... oops ... lead the Cowboys to a Super Bowl!

 

[GINeric]

I haven’t set any bar for Prescott. He’s not a QB I’d place in the upper echelon so he hasn’t been disappointing. But franchise QB ‘s often are over paid.

But it’s shameful to place Rodgers in the same breath as Foles or Dilpher.

And if you don’t see Wilson and Stafford at a higher level with their careers then I’d check those rose colored glasses.

I’d place Dak more in the Watson, Murray type category . Which isn’t that bad of place to be. I’m not sure Dak has the same raw ability but his achievements are more parallel to theirs.

I didn't say Russ is a bad quarterback..... I said Russ isn't earning the money that Denver is paying him. If you disagree, please justify his performance in blue and orange to line up what they're paying him.

Stafford is NOT a higher level quarterback.... high level quarterbacks don't win their first playoff game in their 11th or 12 season in the league. High level quarterbacks don't lead the league in interceptions. High level quarterbacks are supposed to elevate the people around him. That's what i was told..... so he doesn't do those things.

I never said Dak is in the upper echelon of quarterbacks. But Dak has proven to be a very good quarterback in this league.

I didn't say Dilpher and Foles were better than Rodgers... but when we talk about quarterback Superbowl victories (as some like to use as measuring sticks) they both have the same amount of Superbowl rings as Rodgers. That fact cant be denied.