CFZ QBs alone don’t win SBs- TEAMS win SBs

[75boyz]

Three personnel figures within football ops that can make a huge difference when they highly productive and aligned together are the QB, HC and GM. That's the team that makes the biggest difference, imo. With those 3 organizational roles optimized, the probability of success is at its peak.

The Cowboys have been competitive, but not able to advance with the top 4 teams in the Conference. The Cowboys biggest disconnect from success, imo, is the role of the GM and how his lack of accountability and murky organizational structure has a trickle down effect that creates a drag on the organization.

My multiple past posts and a couple here totally support your 1st paragraph GM, HC and QB1 triangle to NFL success.

Additionally, I don't believe any of those 3 current Cowboys position holders are good enough at their jobs to help win a championship.

jmo

 

[Irvin88_4life]

My multiple past posts and a couple here totally support your 1st paragraph GM, HC and QB1 triangle to NFL success.

Additionally, I don't believe any of those 3 current Cowboys position holders are good enough at their jobs to help win a championship.

jmo

Well you might not believe Jerry or McCarthy is good enough at their jobs to win a championship(both have Superbowl wins) but Rush isn't the starter anymore with Dak returning

 

[USArmyVet]

Dak played very well against the Packers in the 2016 playoff game. Plenty good enough to win and advance. The defense failed him.

Look at the stats and you will see Dak did squat for the first 3 quarters which provided GB with a 28-13 lead to start the 4th quarter and if not for a defensive turnover (INT) at the Dallas 14 GB would have extended that lead to at least 31-13.

 

[Ken]

Look at the stats and you will see Dak did squat for the first 3 quarters which provided GB with a 28-13 lead to start the 4th quarter and if not for a defensive turnover (INT) at the Dallas 14 GB would have extended that lead to at least 31-13.

Woah... seriously? A rookie took a little while to get used to playoff football?

No way!

Please stop with this ridiculous narrative. When Dak comes on late and ties the games...it is a problem. When Herbert or Allen do it, it is talked about for months.

 

[Diehardblues]

Look at the stats and you will see Dak did squat for the first 3 quarters which provided GB with a 28-13 lead to start the 4th quarter and if not for a defensive turnover (INT) at the Dallas 14 GB would have extended that lead to at least 31-13.

Yea, Prescott did get off to a slow start which is a common thread but fortunately we play 4 Qtr's and he rallied back and could have extended the lead more on final possession but missed a fairly easy TD throw.

Which set up Rodgers and GB only needing a FG which we couldn’t stop on defense, a miraculous 3rd and 20.

Another amazing Stat is the Cowboys have NEVER overcame giving up 30+ points in a postseason game in our history.

 

[USArmyVet]

Woah... seriously? A rookie took a little while to get used to playoff football?

No way!

Please stop with this ridiculous narrative. When Dak comes on late and ties the games...it is a problem. When Herbert or Allen do it, it is talked about for months.

More Dak excuses....he had to get used to playoff football. LOL

 

[USArmyVet]

Yea, Prescott did get off to a slow start which is a common thread but fortunately we play 4 Qtr's and he rallied back and could have extended the lead more on final possession but missed a fairly easy TD throw.

Which set up Rodgers and GB only needing a FG which we couldn’t stop on defense, a miraculous 3rd and 20.

Another amazing Stat is the Cowboys have NEVER overcame giving up 30+ points in a postseason game in our history.

Yes, I have seen that stat posted numerous times now.

 

[GINeric]

Stafford? Are you serious?

He was literally the definition of good QB on a bad team and rotted away in Detroit until the Rams surrounded him with an all star team.

If Stafford was as great as some make him out to be... he would have ELEVATED the players around him in Detroit. Other quarterbacks don't get the benefit of bad teams or bad coaching, so we're not going to give Stafford that excuse.

The Rams surrounded him with an All Star cast of players AND an All Star coach and he STILL led the league in interceptions.... let that sink in.

15 other quarterbacks in the league would have won a Superbowl with that Rams team and coaches last year.

 

[Ken]

More Dak excuses....he had to get used to playoff football. LOL

I mean...he didn't really.

21-13 at the half against one of the GOATS in his prime.

I was just placating your ridiculous narrative. If the defense shows up at all in this game, we win it going away.

 

[75boyz]

Well you might not believe Jerry or McCarthy is good enough at their jobs to win a championship(both have Superbowl wins) but Rush isn't the starter anymore with Dak returning

Yeah,
I'll stick by my opinion.

Jerry without Jimmy...no
McCheese without Aaron...no
Prescott regardless...no

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It certainly doesn’t help if your QB stinks up the joint.

Very true. Glad we are now moving on from Rush.

 

[cnuball21]

If Stafford was as great as some make him out to be... he would have ELEVATED the players around him in Detroit. Other quarterbacks don't get the benefit of bad teams or bad coaching, so we're not going to give Stafford that excuse.

The Rams surrounded him with an All Star cast of players AND an All Star coach and he STILL led the league in interceptions.... let that sink in.

15 other quarterbacks in the league would have won a Superbowl with that Rams team and coaches last year.

Yup. And I think Stafford is a good QB. Just needed some help…he got it and won a Super Bowl.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yeah,
I'll stick by my opinion.

Jerry without Jimmy...no
McCheese without Aaron...no
Prescott regardless...no

Jimmy without Jerry .. No
Rodgers without McCarthy.... No
Any other QB not named Aikman in 25 years.... No

 

[GINeric]

Yup. And I think Stafford is a good QB. Just needed some help…he got it and won a Super Bowl.

Yep... he won the Superbowl with a team and coaching staff that 15 other quarterbacks would have won with.

Stafford led the league in interceptions last year, so the Rams won in spite of him. Thats how great that team was.

 

[CATCH17]

An elite QB drastically increases your odds.

We don’t have one.


To win with a normal QB like Dak you need to do it when they’re on a rookie deal. Once you pay a Dak it’s nearly impossible to win a championship.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Woah... seriously? A rookie took a little while to get used to playoff football?

No way!

Please stop with this ridiculous narrative. When Dak comes on late and ties the games...it is a problem. When Herbert or Allen do it, it is talked about for months.

Herbert is so great, especially in the playoffs .....oh wait

 

[GINeric]

An elite QB drastically increases your odds.

We don’t have one.


To win with a normal QB like Dak you need to do it when they’re on a rookie deal. Once you pay a Dak it’s nearly impossible to win a championship.

Great coaching and great drafting also drastically increases your odds.

Joe Gibbs won the Superbowl 3 times with 3 different quarterbacks.... Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. Which one of those quarterbacks were elite??? That would be zero.....


I can name another host of non-elite quarterbacks who have won Superbowls or have made Superbowl appearances.

 

[cnuball21]

An elite QB drastically increases your odds.

We don’t have one.


To win with a normal QB like Dak you need to do it when they’re on a rookie deal. Once you pay a Dak it’s nearly impossible to win a championship.

No it’s not. The salary cap is a speed bump…see Rams.

 

[Philmonroe]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

Why not just say you're super pro Dak and keep it moving? Do you have a similar thread about how people give Dak credit for all these "team" wins like he's playing a singles sport?

 

[Captain-Crash]

Bob stick to hating on Jerry. At least say something like, Jerry makes dak suck. Or Dak can't read defenses because he's too busy kissing Jerry sacks. or Dak is scared because he doesn't won't to disappoint Jerry. lol