LittleBoyBlue
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1.) Yeah, probably.
2.) I am learning for you. (Pot meet kettle... Kettle... Ah never mind)
3.) Nah, just post the ebay listing number. Faster that way.
4.) yawwwwwwwn
Question for the Patriots haters
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1.) Yeah, probably.
2.) I am learning for you. (Pot meet kettle... Kettle... Ah never mind)
3.) Nah, just post the ebay listing number. Faster that way.
4.) yawwwwwwwn
LittleBoyBlue
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I am playing. I am actually kidding.
I said it before and I will say it again.
I would gladly sit and toast a drink with any member, Rogah, anyone... on here. Any day!
BringBackThatOleTimeBoys
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Just to put this in perspective
Miami
Cheated to sign former coach Don Shula by tampering with the then Baltimore Colts employee. Found guilty of tampering and stripped of a first round pick.
The organization’s public unwillingness to follow tampering rules was the impetus for free agent reform. In 2008 the Phins signed guard Justin Smiley, contract written, detailed, printed and signed just 17 minutes after midnight.
1985 an Assistant was accused of radioing conversations from other teams. Letter of reprimand issued from the league.
New York Jets:
Tried to get away with an illegal sideline blocking strategy when an assistant coach intentionally injured an opposing gunner. Cowardly Mike Westoff, instead of taking responsibility for their malicious actions, blamed the Patriots instead.
Tampered with then New England Coach Bill Parcells.
Former kicker Jay Feeley admitted the team had been faking injuries for years.
While playing for the Jets Favre also gave out inside secrets and strategy tips on the Packers in a 40 minute phone conversation with Matt Millen and the Lions coaching staff, actively sabotaging the team he’ll one day enter the Hall of Fame as a member of. The story was successfully covered up by an ESPN “Do Not Report” order but was unearthed by Profootballtalk. Favre was never disciplined, fined, or help accountable for lying about the incident for weeks.
Tampered with New England CB Darell Revis
Buffalo Bills:
Intentionally injured cancer victim Eric Berry
Fined $20,000 for failing to report a wrist injury to Mario Williams. Ya know, falsifying injury reports, the thing everyone insists the Patriots do.
Baltimore Ravens:
Gave fiance-puncher Ray Rice the most minimal punishment possible for punching said fiance, hoping the whole thing would go away. Only cut the despicable RB when the video of the domestic violence incident went viral and essentially forced the team’s hand. Remains one of the most disgraceful incidents in league history and a black eye on the league for life.
Employs repeat domestic abuser Terrell Suggs with little to no repercussions.
Accidentally let it slip that the team used bounties, specifically with Steelers WR Hines Ward.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1513154-supe r-b...
Ray Lewis using a banned substance to come back from injury sooner and lead his team to a Super Bowl.
“According to Sports Illustrated, Lewis contacted a company to obtain a deer-antler velvet extract after tearing his triceps in October. Mitch Ross of S.W.A.T.S reportedly videotaped the phone call from Lewis. “Spray on my elbow every two hours?” Lewis asked Ross regarding the extract, via Philly.com “No,” Ross said. “Under your tongue.” Later, Lewis asked Ross to “just pile me up and just send me everything you got, because I got to get back on this this week.” The problem for Lewis is that the extract contains IGF-1, which is on the NFL’s list of banned substances.
Pittsburgh Steelers:
Team Doctor Implicated in illegal use/dispensing of PED’s.
(edit)Rampant cheating with illegal steroid use "What I did (steroid use) was wrong" - Terry Bradshaw
Former coach Bill Cower admitted to stealing opposing teams signals (sounds smart if you ask me).“We didn't lose the game because of any Spygate, because of them having any additional things,” Cowher said, referring to the 41-27 loss to New England that ended the Steelers' season following a 15-1 regular season. “I think if they're guilty of anything, they're guilty of arrogance because they were told not to do something. But it was something that everybody does.”
The Spygate scandal didn't break until almost three years later, after the Patriots were caught taping the New York Jets coaches' defensive signals during a September 2007 game. The NFL fined Belichick $500,000 — the largest fine given a coach — and the Patriots $250,000 and took away New England's first-round pick in the 2008 draft.
Former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh later provided the league with eight tapes of opposing teams' defensive signals during the 2000-02 seasons, but the league did not discipline the Patriots further.
“The only thing they got caught (was) doing it with a camera,” Cowher told the radio station. “We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone's signals was a part of the game, and everyone attempted to do that.”
Cowher said “part of the things we had (were) wristbands that we were using to do it,” attempting to identify opposing teams' verbal signals that were being yelled to the players on the field.”
Current coach Mike Tomlin was fined $100,000 for cheating in-game, stepping onto the field to deliberately alter the path of kick returner Jacoby Jones.
Cleveland Browns:
Currently under NFL investigation for texting opposing play calls to the Browns sideline from the press booth.
Indy Colts:
Accused repeatedly throughout the years of using artificial crowd noise, manipulating dome temperatures, and tampering with opposing teams in-helmet communication units.
Used coach Tony Dungy’s influence on the competition committee to advance defensive contact rules specifically tailored to their own agenda. The Colts won a Super Bowl with the new rules in place, yet somehow the rest of the world is still under the impression that Tom Brady lobbied for and created these rules.
Intentionally lost games in order to get the top drat pick - "Sucking for Luck"
Denver Broncos:
Got caught taping a SanFrancisco walk through.
Caught cheating by way of manipulating the salary cap multiples times: a feat that won the franchise back to back Super Bowl titles.
Coach Mike Shanahan admitted to using similar video taping practices as Belichick during his Super Bowl years, and was investigated for spying on a Chargers practice in 2008.
San Diego Chargers:
Caught cheating in 2012 by illegal use of towels with a hidden adhesive substance. The league fined the team $20,000 ruling that the club failed to turn over the towels when directed, and attempted to conceal them. As a testimony to just how little ball tampering matters, the Chargers were 3-3 before the scandal and finished 7-9 missing the playoffs.
Kansas City:
Jimmy Johnson named Chief’s coach Marty Schottenheimer as one of the many coaches in the league that videotaped opposing teams signals identical to what the Patriots were found guilty of.
In one of the more bizarre stories of recent years former Chiefs coach Todd Haley accused the team of bugging rooms in the Arrowhead facilities, and even wiretapping their own head coach’s phone.
In 2012 the Chiefs administration was busted for misappropriating millions in tax payer money. The report outlined that of the almost $30 million in tax payer funds it received for stadium maintenance, they used only about 30% of the money on the stadium. The rest, illegally, went elsewhere.
Dallas:
Legendary coach Jimmy Johnson one of the few people with the courage to admit that he used video taping practices identical to the Patriots’ to steal signals, as did a number of other coaches. It was integral to their success in building a dynasty
Caught cheating and stripped of over $10 million in salary cap space for illegally tampering with their salary cap 2010.
Washington:
Caught cheating and nailed for over $31 million in salary cap space for running the same salary scam as the Cowboys in 2010.
Accused of cheating by the Cowboys in 2011 by way of “disconcerting signals.”
New York Giants:
Caught cheating and epitomized the fake injury scandal by accidentally having two players fake injuries at the same time to gain extra timeouts.
Philly:
Caught cheating in 1989 as head coach Buddy Ryan promoted a bounty system against the division rival Dallas Cowboys, coaching his players to purposely injure key opponents. Ryan was let go by the team a year later and has generally been known as a living joke in the NFL.
Tampa:
Accused of cheating in 2012 by way of tampering with visiting teams’ in-helmet communication systems, and were still somehow 2-5 at home that year.
Recently admitted to cheating by bribing ball attendants ($7500) to tamper with game balls. In yet another demonstration of how little minor tampering of game balls matter, this is the same Super Bowl mentioned above that the Raiders allegedly lost on purpose.
Carolina:
Three members of the 2004 Panthers tested positive for steroids after LOSING Super Bowl XXXVIII to the New England Patriots. An investigation showed all 3 players had prescriptions for the banned substance filled within two weeks of the Super Bowl suggesting that they were definitely on steroids during the game… AND STILL LOST.
Caught cheating in 2014 by tampering with game balls, heating them on the sidelines. Received only a warning from the NFL
New Orleans:
Bounty Gate
Chicago:
Former Bears LB Brian Urlacher admitted his defense regularly used fake injuries to slow down opposing offenses.
Recent admission of former ballboy of trying to sneak balls through the inspection.
Minny:
Caught cheating in 2014 by tampering with game balls, heating them on the sidelines. Received only a warning from the NFL
Green Bay
Aaron Rogers has admitted he wants his footballs overinflated for games. Gets angry when they take air out.
Arizona:
Former Cardinals QB Matt Leinart admits to tampering with game balls, and further more correctly admits that almost every NFL quarterback does it too.
Seattle:
Multiple violations of offseason practice rules leading to the team being stripped of mini-camp days and both the organization and coach Pete Carroll being fined a combined $300,000.
Miami
Cheated to sign former coach Don Shula by tampering with the then Baltimore Colts employee. Found guilty of tampering and stripped of a first round pick.
The organization’s public unwillingness to follow tampering rules was the impetus for free agent reform. In 2008 the Phins signed guard Justin Smiley, contract written, detailed, printed and signed just 17 minutes after midnight.
1985 an Assistant was accused of radioing conversations from other teams. Letter of reprimand issued from the league.
New York Jets:
Tried to get away with an illegal sideline blocking strategy when an assistant coach intentionally injured an opposing gunner. Cowardly Mike Westoff, instead of taking responsibility for their malicious actions, blamed the Patriots instead.
Tampered with then New England Coach Bill Parcells.
Former kicker Jay Feeley admitted the team had been faking injuries for years.
While playing for the Jets Favre also gave out inside secrets and strategy tips on the Packers in a 40 minute phone conversation with Matt Millen and the Lions coaching staff, actively sabotaging the team he’ll one day enter the Hall of Fame as a member of. The story was successfully covered up by an ESPN “Do Not Report” order but was unearthed by Profootballtalk. Favre was never disciplined, fined, or help accountable for lying about the incident for weeks.
Tampered with New England CB Darell Revis
Buffalo Bills:
Intentionally injured cancer victim Eric Berry
Fined $20,000 for failing to report a wrist injury to Mario Williams. Ya know, falsifying injury reports, the thing everyone insists the Patriots do.
Baltimore Ravens:
Gave fiance-puncher Ray Rice the most minimal punishment possible for punching said fiance, hoping the whole thing would go away. Only cut the despicable RB when the video of the domestic violence incident went viral and essentially forced the team’s hand. Remains one of the most disgraceful incidents in league history and a black eye on the league for life.
Employs repeat domestic abuser Terrell Suggs with little to no repercussions.
Accidentally let it slip that the team used bounties, specifically with Steelers WR Hines Ward.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1513154-supe r-b...
Ray Lewis using a banned substance to come back from injury sooner and lead his team to a Super Bowl.
“According to Sports Illustrated, Lewis contacted a company to obtain a deer-antler velvet extract after tearing his triceps in October. Mitch Ross of S.W.A.T.S reportedly videotaped the phone call from Lewis. “Spray on my elbow every two hours?” Lewis asked Ross regarding the extract, via Philly.com “No,” Ross said. “Under your tongue.” Later, Lewis asked Ross to “just pile me up and just send me everything you got, because I got to get back on this this week.” The problem for Lewis is that the extract contains IGF-1, which is on the NFL’s list of banned substances.
Pittsburgh Steelers:
Team Doctor Implicated in illegal use/dispensing of PED’s.
(edit)Rampant cheating with illegal steroid use "What I did (steroid use) was wrong" - Terry Bradshaw
Former coach Bill Cower admitted to stealing opposing teams signals (sounds smart if you ask me).“We didn't lose the game because of any Spygate, because of them having any additional things,” Cowher said, referring to the 41-27 loss to New England that ended the Steelers' season following a 15-1 regular season. “I think if they're guilty of anything, they're guilty of arrogance because they were told not to do something. But it was something that everybody does.”
The Spygate scandal didn't break until almost three years later, after the Patriots were caught taping the New York Jets coaches' defensive signals during a September 2007 game. The NFL fined Belichick $500,000 — the largest fine given a coach — and the Patriots $250,000 and took away New England's first-round pick in the 2008 draft.
Former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh later provided the league with eight tapes of opposing teams' defensive signals during the 2000-02 seasons, but the league did not discipline the Patriots further.
“The only thing they got caught (was) doing it with a camera,” Cowher told the radio station. “We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone's signals was a part of the game, and everyone attempted to do that.”
Cowher said “part of the things we had (were) wristbands that we were using to do it,” attempting to identify opposing teams' verbal signals that were being yelled to the players on the field.”
Current coach Mike Tomlin was fined $100,000 for cheating in-game, stepping onto the field to deliberately alter the path of kick returner Jacoby Jones.
Cleveland Browns:
Currently under NFL investigation for texting opposing play calls to the Browns sideline from the press booth.
Indy Colts:
Accused repeatedly throughout the years of using artificial crowd noise, manipulating dome temperatures, and tampering with opposing teams in-helmet communication units.
Used coach Tony Dungy’s influence on the competition committee to advance defensive contact rules specifically tailored to their own agenda. The Colts won a Super Bowl with the new rules in place, yet somehow the rest of the world is still under the impression that Tom Brady lobbied for and created these rules.
Intentionally lost games in order to get the top drat pick - "Sucking for Luck"
Denver Broncos:
Got caught taping a SanFrancisco walk through.
Caught cheating by way of manipulating the salary cap multiples times: a feat that won the franchise back to back Super Bowl titles.
Coach Mike Shanahan admitted to using similar video taping practices as Belichick during his Super Bowl years, and was investigated for spying on a Chargers practice in 2008.
San Diego Chargers:
Caught cheating in 2012 by illegal use of towels with a hidden adhesive substance. The league fined the team $20,000 ruling that the club failed to turn over the towels when directed, and attempted to conceal them. As a testimony to just how little ball tampering matters, the Chargers were 3-3 before the scandal and finished 7-9 missing the playoffs.
Kansas City:
Jimmy Johnson named Chief’s coach Marty Schottenheimer as one of the many coaches in the league that videotaped opposing teams signals identical to what the Patriots were found guilty of.
In one of the more bizarre stories of recent years former Chiefs coach Todd Haley accused the team of bugging rooms in the Arrowhead facilities, and even wiretapping their own head coach’s phone.
In 2012 the Chiefs administration was busted for misappropriating millions in tax payer money. The report outlined that of the almost $30 million in tax payer funds it received for stadium maintenance, they used only about 30% of the money on the stadium. The rest, illegally, went elsewhere.
Dallas:
Legendary coach Jimmy Johnson one of the few people with the courage to admit that he used video taping practices identical to the Patriots’ to steal signals, as did a number of other coaches. It was integral to their success in building a dynasty
Caught cheating and stripped of over $10 million in salary cap space for illegally tampering with their salary cap 2010.
Washington:
Caught cheating and nailed for over $31 million in salary cap space for running the same salary scam as the Cowboys in 2010.
Accused of cheating by the Cowboys in 2011 by way of “disconcerting signals.”
New York Giants:
Caught cheating and epitomized the fake injury scandal by accidentally having two players fake injuries at the same time to gain extra timeouts.
Philly:
Caught cheating in 1989 as head coach Buddy Ryan promoted a bounty system against the division rival Dallas Cowboys, coaching his players to purposely injure key opponents. Ryan was let go by the team a year later and has generally been known as a living joke in the NFL.
Tampa:
Accused of cheating in 2012 by way of tampering with visiting teams’ in-helmet communication systems, and were still somehow 2-5 at home that year.
Recently admitted to cheating by bribing ball attendants ($7500) to tamper with game balls. In yet another demonstration of how little minor tampering of game balls matter, this is the same Super Bowl mentioned above that the Raiders allegedly lost on purpose.
Carolina:
Three members of the 2004 Panthers tested positive for steroids after LOSING Super Bowl XXXVIII to the New England Patriots. An investigation showed all 3 players had prescriptions for the banned substance filled within two weeks of the Super Bowl suggesting that they were definitely on steroids during the game… AND STILL LOST.
Caught cheating in 2014 by tampering with game balls, heating them on the sidelines. Received only a warning from the NFL
New Orleans:
Bounty Gate
Chicago:
Former Bears LB Brian Urlacher admitted his defense regularly used fake injuries to slow down opposing offenses.
Recent admission of former ballboy of trying to sneak balls through the inspection.
Minny:
Caught cheating in 2014 by tampering with game balls, heating them on the sidelines. Received only a warning from the NFL
Green Bay
Aaron Rogers has admitted he wants his footballs overinflated for games. Gets angry when they take air out.
Arizona:
Former Cardinals QB Matt Leinart admits to tampering with game balls, and further more correctly admits that almost every NFL quarterback does it too.
Seattle:
Multiple violations of offseason practice rules leading to the team being stripped of mini-camp days and both the organization and coach Pete Carroll being fined a combined $300,000.
Rogah
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Translation: you looked and you couldn't find anything. Maybe that's because that picture was taken in my TV-room where I have my memorabilia on display.
Sorry you wasted your time.
LittleBoyBlue
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Translation: you looked and you couldn't find anything. Maybe that's because that picture was taken in my TV-room where I have my memorabilia on display.
Sorry you wasted your time.
My friend. It was a joke. I believed it to be yours. Lol
In the spirit of the debate buzz words.... I was bustin' balls!
Rogah
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Well you weren't the first to make the accusation so consider my response geared towards all.
I'm leaving work now and, as I do everyday, I get to drive by the cranes doing their thing at the Cowboys' future summer site here in Frisco. Can't wait until there are players there instead of construction equipment..!!
LittleBoyBlue
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Rogah
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I don't consider the top Washington example as doing anything remotely wrong, especially since the Cowboys did the same thing and the league violated federal law by colluding on an illegal salary cap then punishing the only 2 teams not party to the collusion.
Of course, if we want to talk about Commanders cheating scandals, all we have to do is look at when they tampered with Lawyer Milloy and Albert Haynesworth. Milloy admitted it and Haynesworth... well let's just say that when they signed him about 5 seconds into free agency, that was probably because they had already spoken to him.
viman96
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What I know as a Cowboys fan if this happened to Dallas then you would see what blown out of proportion is. You are not going to get any sympathy from this fan base.
SkinsandTerps
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I said it before and I will say it again.
I would gladly sit and toast a drink with any member, Rogah, anyone... on here. Any day!
Looking forward to it. Thanks.
LittleBoyBlue
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Qualifier. Any cowboys fan member only. You can drink with your own kind. Lol
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My youngest did the same thing...with the Green Bay Packers.
I took his Nintendo DS away and told him he could have it back when he came to his senses. His mom was horrified, but now he wears Romo jersies and takes the six hour drive south with me to training camp every year.
Shunpike's story's a lot sweeter than mine, though.
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In fairness to him, he didn't actually like the Packers. He was just picking the team we were playing to spite me, because he's a mean little ******* like his old man.
WPBCowboysFan
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Sounds like my 6 yr old lil girl telling me she's a Commanders fan.
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Ooh. That would land one of mine in a bathroom with a bar of soap in his mouth.
Either way, we live in the SF Bay Area, where the 9ers have been good for some formative years here. Neither of mine have turned to the Dark Side, so I consider that a major win.
WPBCowboysFan
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My wife is a Skins fan. Not obnoxious or even a serious fan really. My boy and my girl both have Romo jerseys. She just likes to be different than her dad and brother to get a rise and side with her mom as well, to also get a rise.
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I...I don't know what to say. Kudos to you for overcoming a debilitating handicap for love.
khiladi
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You seem to be conflating a lot of things, as well as essentially "if they cheated, so did everybody else". I guess Lanve Armstrong should be vindicated on these grounds.
As far as what I mean by conflation, can you provide how any of these were like Spygate? For example, JJ nor Cowher saw the tapes of Spygate to say he did the same thing BB to make any judgment. How does he know what exactly they did? Further, JJ said they taped signals but he never said what they did was illegal because of WHERE they filmed from. Even when he mentioned Marty he said it in this context. Additionally, JJ says they did this primaril for teams they played the second time around. Further, JJ said he didn't find it helped, while BB was knowingly violated rules for over ten years. Further, Spygate didn't just deal with taping. And the NFL legally can tell its coaches not to say a word to the media outside of NFL discretion on certain matters.
If your going to talk violations than at least talk actual context and reality.
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Your Patriots homerism while flashing your Cowboys avatar is a bit unsettling for me. That's why I try to avoid these threads at all costs.
BringBackThatOleTimeBoys
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Please change your meds.
And get a decent spellcheck.
My entire point is something you can't handle (Jack Nickelson's "You can't handle the truth!!!") - cheating is everywhere in football and every other sport. You are leading the charge of this illusion that hardly anyone cheats except the Patriots and it's ALL they do. Sorry to spoil your fantasy, but once Lance's teammates testified against him, I accepted he doped....the difference between you and me is I'm waiting for all the fact-finding to finish.