Ramsey voted draft's top player in poll of 19 NFL evaluators

coogrfan said:
You don't think that knowing where Ramsey stands in the minds of the Other 12 would be useful?
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only if you have an agenda and are now in "hunt mode" to find ammo for your cause. the stat on its own is like any stat - just a number. it does sound like you want to blow off the 7 who think ramsey is the best in the draft and focus on the 12 who picked others to see where they feel ramsey fell overall.

great for reading but again, why? you didn't come out and say "hey, lets look at a bigger picture" you simply blew off the 7 and focused on the 12 who thought otherwise and i can only think it would be because you don't like ramsey.

would seem to be the case here so you dig another argument to cover up dislike and try to pass yourself off as objective yet no one seems to be buying it. not a dig, just how it seems this convo is going.
 
I'm just wondering if this is the same group that thought Mo was the best defensive player in the draft a few years back.
 
coogrfan said:
I'll admit I don't like the idea of drafting Ramsey at 4, but that not why I dismiss this as meaningless. I did so because (1) "someone else" got over 60% of the possible votes; and (2) the question is poorly phrased. An overall ranking based on each respondent's top 3 would be valuable information. This is not.
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SOME "ONE" is ONE person. So SOMEONE else didn't get 60% of the possible vote.
 
coogrfan said:
You don't think that knowing where Ramsey stands in the minds of the Other 12 would be useful?
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Sure.

But they are only given 1 player to vote on.

Logic would dictate that if a player has the clear cut most votes in this scenario, that they would likely be #2 or #3 if they were allowed to vote on all players.

In other words, it's likely that Ramsey would have won the voting process regardless of what method was used.




YR
 
Yakuza Rich said:
Sure.

But they are only given 1 player to vote on.

Logic would dictate that if a player has the clear cut most votes in this scenario, that they would likely be #2 or #3 if they were allowed to vote on all players.

In other words, it's likely that Ramsey would have won the voting process regardless of what method was used.

YR
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this isn't going to go over well. :)
 
iceberg said:
only if you have an agenda and are now in "hunt mode" to find ammo for your cause. the stat on its own is like any stat - just a number. it does sound like you want to blow off the 7 who think ramsey is the best in the draft and focus on the 12 who picked others to see where they feel ramsey fell overall.

great for reading but again, why? you didn't come out and say "hey, lets look at a bigger picture" you simply blew off the 7 and focused on the 12 who thought otherwise and i can only think it would be because you don't like ramsey.

would seem to be the case here so you dig another argument to cover up dislike and try to pass yourself off as objective yet no one seems to be buying it. not a dig, just how it seems this convo is going.
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Ok. i don't know how much that would have helped, since I would be willing to bet that a cumulative score based poll would have resulted in a much stronger pro-Ramsey mandate than the 37% he actually got.
 
Yakuza Rich said:
Sure.

But they are only given 1 player to vote on.

Logic would dictate that if a player has the clear cut most votes in this scenario, that they would likely be #2 or #3 if they were allowed to vote on all players.

In other words, it's likely that Ramsey would have won the voting process regardless of what method was used.




YR
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I agree, but more info is always better than less.
 
coogrfan said:
Ok. i don't know how much that would have helped, since I would be willing to bet that a cumulative score based poll would have resulted in a much stronger pro-Ramsey mandate than the 37% he actually got.
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me either since i'm 97% sure you'd blow off that stat also. :)
 
theebs said:
FWIW Steve Dennis just said his source close to Jerry told him they think Bosa is to slow. Said Jerry wants to move back and take zeke but ramsey is the number 1 player on their draft board.
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That what I believe as well but who will trade up far enough so we can draft Zeke? The Ravens are talking up Bosa big time. The talk show hosts are saying that the Ravens want Ramsey but would settle for Bosa. Would you make the trade for their third? Ozzie will try to sucker Jerry.
 
iceberg said:
me either since i'm 97% sure you'd blow off that stat also. :)
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Probably. I freely admit I'm not in love with the idea of using a top 5 draft pick on a DB...especially not on one who had as many dropped interceptions in 2015 as he had total ints in his career.
 
Ramsey has the highest bust potential on the list also.
Not saying he shouldn't be the pick. But a hybrid player that may end up being an average corner and good safety has more bust potential (in my opinion) than some others...
 
coogrfan said:
Probably. I freely admit I'm not in love with the idea of using a top 5 draft pick on a DB...especially not on one who had as many dropped interceptions in 2015 as he had total ints in his career.
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But you ARE for spending the 4th overall pick on a right tackle. Interesting.
 
Looks like they have a QB rated 4th sounds good to me
 
The big positive with Ramsey is the "bust" potential with him is far less than with most top 10 players because he can play two positions well. If worse comes to worse and he's not a very good NFL corner he could end up being a great NFL safety. At least with him being able to play a couple of positions it increases your chances of ending up with a real good player at one of those positions.
 
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