Ramsey vs QB

[mattjames2010]

Ramsey, no brainer for me.

Another highly talented S/CB hybrid prospect. If we go with Ramsey, we either end up with CB with a high ceiling or a safety that will play alongside Jones. When was the last time we had two first round picks covering the backfield?

Ramsey all the way. Stay away from those trash QB prospects.

 

[Alexander]

Ramsey, no brainer for me.

Another highly talented S/CB hybrid prospect. If we go with Ramsey, we either end up with CB with a high ceiling or a safety that will play alongside Jones. When was the last time we had two first round picks covering the backfield?

Ramsey all the way. Stay away from those trash QB prospects.

Ramsey would make sense if we ran a multiple hybrid defense built much like Arizona or the Jets. We do not do that.

Take a look at Marinelli's history everywhere he has been, safeties are basically like one-technique nose tackles, not valued.

 

[mattjames2010]

Ramsey would make sense if we ran a multiple hybrid defense built much like Arizona or the Jets. We do not do that.

Take a look at Marinelli's history everywhere he has been, safeties are basically like one-technique nose tackles, not valued.

I don't care how his past defenses were ran. If Ramsey is there when our pick is up, you take him. He's a great safety prospect, and if you watched our defense this year, our biggest issue on defense outside of the lack of turnovers has been the safety play.

He's also a playmaker, going for strips, plays the ball in the air. Marinelli puts an emphasis (Supposedly) on turnovers, Ramsey would fit right in with this defense.

 

[Sydla]

Ramsey at one safety spot with Jones at the other would be a massive upgrade. I know Marinelli likes the traditional strong safety/free safety line up but I like having two guys back there who can cover all over the field............ Cards do this, even the Eagles went with two safeties who are former CBs in Jenkins and Thurmond.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Ramsey for me as of right now if Dallas keeps their draft spot. Dallas will at least try to play Romo for a couple of more years. No matter what round Dallas takes a QB he will be a developmental QB behind Romo and possibly behind a backup as well. I think there are other QBs in this draft like Hogan, Hackenberg and Wentz that while they may be missing the 6-6 dimensions and athletic ability of Lynch, still offer a lot of upside. I'm not big on taking defensive backs this high in the draft, but I honestly think Ramsey or Hargreaves will probably be two of the higher rated players on the board in that 4-6 slot, especially since Nkemdlche decided to take up sky diving.

 

[IrishAnto]

Ramsey, no brainer for me.

Another highly talented S/CB hybrid prospect. If we go with Ramsey, we either end up with CB with a high ceiling or a safety that will play alongside Jones. When was the last time we had two first round picks covering the backfield?

Ramsey all the way. Stay away from those trash QB prospects.

Explain to me exactly why the top QB prospects this year are trash?

 

[tyke1doe]

Ramsey in the first and Hackeberg or Wentz in the second is the way to go. Lynch/Goff are not worth a top 5 pick.

If we're picking that high to get Ramsey, we could easily jump back into the lower first round to pick up a quarterback should we feel Wentz or Hackenberg won't be there with our second pick. We can do what Minnesota did two years ago.

 

[tyke1doe]

Ramsey for me as of right now if Dallas keeps their draft spot. Dallas will at least try to play Romo for a couple of more years. No matter what round Dallas takes a QB he will be a developmental QB behind Romo and possibly behind a backup as well. I think there are other QBs in this draft like Hogan, Hackenberg and Wentz that while they may be missing the 6-6 dimensions and athletic ability of Lynch, still offer a lot of upside. I'm not big on taking defensive backs this high in the draft, but I honestly think Ramsey or Hargreaves will probably be two of the higher rated players on the board in that 4-6 slot, especially since Nkemdlche decided to take up sky diving.

I heard someone say yesterday that if he can survive a fall from four stories, the guy won't drop in the draft. If anything, it shows how tough he really is.

 

[Alexander]

If we're picking that high to get Ramsey, we could easily jump back into the lower first round to pick up a quarterback should we feel Wentz or Hackenberg won't be there with our second pick. We can do what Minnesota did two years ago.

Hackenberg would be a disaster.

 

[tyke1doe]

Hackenberg would be a disaster.

Honestly, I'm just going by what people/experts are saying about him and where they rank him. I really haven't seen much of him to know whether he's worth jumping up to get. I guess I'm addressing the concept of getting one of the "lower" ranked highly-thought-of quarterbacks in the lower half of the first round - whomever he might be.

 

[Alexander]

Honestly, I'm just going by what people/experts are saying about him and where they rank him. I really haven't seen much of him to know whether he's worth jumping up to get. I guess I'm addressing the concept of getting one of the "lower" ranked highly-thought-of quarterbacks in the lower half of the first round - whomever he might be.

Hackenberg gets a lot of hype from the popular opinion crowd but if you dig a little deeper into the draftnik world, he carries a lot lower grade than you would think.

 

[Sydla]

Explain to me exactly why the top QB prospects this year are trash?

Trash is likely hyperbole............ but neither Lynch or Goff is considered to be in the same class as say a Luck or a Winston.

The problem here is that because QB is always considered a prime need for teams, they are the one position that probably gets more overvalued in the first round than any position. So because Lynch and Goff are considered the two best QBs in this draft, people (and that includes NFL teams) immediately overvalue them because of the position importance. Teams will do it was wel because they are often blinded by the need for that franchise QB. It's why you see a team like the Bills take an EJ Manuel way higher than they should have. Or the Vikings take Ponder way higher than he was typically slotted.

 

[Sydla]

Hackenberg would be a disaster.

I'd rather take a flier on Hackenberg in the 2nd or even 3rd if he slipped, then blow a Top 5 pick on Lynch or Goff.

 

[KB1122]

Do you want to have to go through another 4-win season or two before the Cowboys draft a quarterback? Or spend multiple picks to move up there at some future date?

Short of a JFB trade that's starting to look unlikely, there's no question we should take a quarterback with a top 5 pick.

Whether the Cowboys will, I don't know.

 

[Sydla]

Do you want to have to go through another 4-win season or two before the Cowboys draft a quarterback? Or spend multiple picks to move up there at some future date?

Short of a JFB trade that's starting to look unlikely, there's no question we should take a quarterback with a top 5 pick.

Whether the Cowboys will, I don't know.

Or do you want to take a QB just for the sake of taking a QB even if the organization isn't sure either guy is an elite QB prospect?

So ignore BPA and just take a QB for craps and giggles?

Let's note, that the scouting reports and like on Goff and Lynch aren't nearly as positive as they were for Winston and Mariota. So it's not like there's a strong case to be made that these two guys are elite, can't miss, don't pass them up QB prospects. You take a QB in the Top 5 when your team is still planning on Romo playing 3-4 more years and you pass on an impact defender, for example, you better not come close to whiffing on that QB pick.

 

[NeonNinja]

I'd rather take a flier on Hackenberg in the 2nd or even 3rd if he slipped, then blow a Top 5 pick on Lynch or Goff.

Good for you. Drinking early, Jerry?

It's what makes the draft process fun. I'd love to get Lynch. Want nothing to do with quarterbacks like Cook and Hackenberg.

 

[IrishAnto]

Trash is likely hyperbole............ but neither Lynch or Goff is considered to be in the same class as say a Luck or a Winston.

The problem here is that because QB is always considered a prime need for teams, they are the one position that probably gets more overvalued in the first round than any position. So because Lynch and Goff are considered the two best QBs in this draft, people (and that includes NFL teams) immediately overvalue them because of the position importance. Teams will do it was wel because they are often blinded by the need for that franchise QB. It's why you see a team like the Bills take an EJ Manuel way higher than they should have. Or the Vikings take Ponder way higher than he was typically slotted.

For starters Winston was not considered to be in the same class as Luck.

The likes of Luck, Manning (Payton) arrive about once in every 8-10 years and you’d better have the worst record in the league to get them.

Lynch and Geoff aren’t considered “elite” because they’re not considered ready to start straight away, however from what I can gather both are considered to be capable of developing into quality QBs given time.

As things stand we seem to be in the fortunate position to be able to give them that time (although that could change quite quickly).

So unless we plan on having the top pick in the draft when the next “sure thing” comes out, I think while Romo is capable of playing at the required level we should get the best prospect available and develop him.

After all Roethlisberger and Rodgers weren’t thought to be elite either.

 

[mattjames2010]

For starters Winston was not considered to be in the same class as Luck.

The likes of Luck, Manning (Payton) arrive about once in every 8-10 years and you’d better have the worst record in the league to get them.

Lynch and Geoff aren’t considered “elite” because they’re not considered ready to start straight away, however from what I can gather both are considered to be capable of developing into quality QBs given time.

As things stand we seem to be in the fortunate position to be able to give them that time (although that could change quite quickly).

So unless we plan on having the top pick in the draft when the next “sure thing” comes out, I think while Romo is capable of playing at the required level we should get the best prospect available and develop him.

After all Roethlisberger and Rodgers weren’t thought to be elite either.

Wait, wait, wait, so we need to draft Lynch or Geoff in the top 10, even though they aren't elite talent, because we can afford to give them time to develop?

The talent level of Lynch and Geoff come in nearly every single draft, many of them are second round talents. You could hold off another year because next year has similar talent level at the QB position. These two aren't top 10 talents and I would not be surprised if they drop down draft boards after the combine.

 

[Sydla]

Good for you. Drinking early, Jerry?

It's what makes the draft process fun. I'd love to get Lynch. Want nothing to do with quarterbacks like Cook and Hackenberg.

I'd rather have Wentz than Hackenberg but to me, the gap between a kid like Wentz and say Lynch isn't great enough that you have to waste a Top 5-10 pick on him and cost yourself an impact stud defender like a Bosa if he slips or Smith or Ramsey or Jack or Nkemdiche.

 

[IrishAnto]

Wait, wait, wait, so we need to draft Lynch or Geoff in the top 10, even though they aren't elite talent, because we can afford to give them time to develop?

The talent level of Lynch and Geoff come in nearly every single draft, many of them are second round talents. You could hold off another year because next year has similar talent level at the QB position. These two aren't top 10 talents and I would not be surprised if they drop down draft boards after the combine.

Several posts ago they were trash according to you so tell me why they're trash?

Secondly the more time they have to develop the more likely they'll reach their potential.

Thirdly, you guaranteeing Romo will play to the required level for the next three or four years?

If he can't what have you got?