Random thoughts after rewatch

[glimmerman]

awww interesting....that would be my thought....if it is not that he has his NFL body yet that is causing it....so maybe he can get better in his technique...maybe this week light bulb comes on?

but that is very tough D line with Brown....but cant be worse than Vita Vea

Yeah I was surprised he did as well against him and they had suh. And he is young still. Hoping the light bulb comes on soon. And he plays next to Connor Williams. Wonder if McGovern needs to be there.

 

[fivetwos]

Guys can always get stronger. Not sure what you exactly mean by Biadasz has reached his limit in strength.

Several people took exception to that line, and I basically retracted it since. Tried to explain anyway.

Heres what I originally meant....

Let's say he is a guy who can squat around 600 pounds right now. It's not as if he was at 300 three years ago and will be at 1000 in a couple of years and therefore much, much stronger...and upward from there.

Sure he can get stronger, but it's going to be minimal by comparison, and someone pointed out that technique/experience can help him where he seems to be struggling (which is almost not at all IMO...some bull rush stuff against the very best in the league....his run blocking has been very solid to excellent) and I acknowledged that and agreed.

It's along the lines of how guys can train 20 hours a day but still aren't going to run a 3.9 forty.

The human body does indeed max out on things. Question is how close is he to that? He has probably been strength training since early HS, then spent 4-5 years at Wisconsin, who has top programs and facilities.

Many guys seem to add to something after their first NFL off season for certain reasons. They don't typically continue to do it over a long career....not to a noticeable degree anyway. They are what they are by year 2-3. Physically, I mean. Not necessarily performance wise.

Let me be clear though.....I don't think it's some sort of a problem. He is playing fine....better than that....as far as I'm concerned. The comment was really just splitting hairs in the middle of a paragraph of praise, yet that ended up as the focus.

The day that Tyler Biadasz is a big problem around here we have it made, so I'm quite encouraged.

 

[Rockport]

Several people took exception to that line, and I basically retracted it since. Tried to explain anyway.

Heres what I originally meant....

Let's say he is a guy who can squat around 600 pounds right now. It's not as if he was at 300 three years ago and will be at 1000 in a couple of years and therefore much, much stronger...and upward from there.

Sure he can get stronger, but it's going to be minimal by comparison, and someone pointed out that technique/experience can help him where he seems to be struggling (which is almost not at all IMO...some bull rush stuff against the very best in the league....his run blocking has been very solid to excellent) and I acknowledged that and agreed.

It's along the lines of how guys can train 20 hours a day but still aren't going to run a 3.9 forty.

The human body does indeed max out on things. Question is how close is he to that? He has probably been strength training since early HS, then spent 4-5 years at Wisconsin, who has top programs and facilities.

Many guys seem to add to something after their first NFL off season for certain reasons. They don't typically continue to do it over a long career....not to a noticeable degree anyway. They are what they are by year 2-3. Physically, I mean. Not necessarily performance wise.

Let me be clear though.....I don't think it's some sort of a problem. He is playing fine....better than that....as far as I'm concerned. The comment was really just splitting hairs in the middle of a paragraph of praise, yet that ended up as the focus.

The day that Tyler Biadasz is a big problem around here we have it made, so I'm quite encouraged.

I agree with the other guy. Continued work with weights, better diet, continued work on his technique and more experience and he can improve more than just “minimal” because all those things I mentioned relate to strength.

 

[Creeper]

Maybe Biadasz can or will get stronger but the point is this year he is getting bull rushed into Dak pretty regularly and that is going to be something every team will pick up on. The same goes for Connor Williams. There are plenty of big strong DTs in the league, but especially in the NCF East. I don't think Dallas has another option at C, and that was a failure in the off-season. McGovern seems to be an option at LG but Dallas doesn't seem to think so.

The Cowboys showed they can overcome this problem by beating the Eagles pretty easily. I'd be more concerned about it if they make the playoffs. We saw on a series of plays how Vita Vea took advantage of it and snuffed out a Cowboys drive. In close games it could make a difference.

We have a long way to go in the season but right now OL is apriority in the draft.

 

[fivetwos]

I agree with the other guy. Continued work with weights, better diet, continued work on his technique and more experience and he can improve more than just “minimal” because all those things I mentioned relate to strength.

Well it's not as if I'm arguing with anyone on it.

But the human body does max out physically. That's a fact. The question is if he is there yet.

He isnt going to start eating better then suddenly is able to pancake Hargrave every play....nor will extra weight lifting make that the case. That's where "minimal" comes in.

But he may not need to. He is playing fine. That was the point. I wasn't trying to slight the guy. I like him and have defended him.

Really a moot point, if even a point at all as far as I'm concerned.

In the end it was a line that I wish I left out.

 

[quickccc]

I'll leave out most of the obvious and/or things that have been said often. Credit to the many unmentioned players who really showed up to play.

-Biadasz: I'm not ready to give up on him. His run blocking is more than acceptable. We ran all over them all night and he was right in the middle of that many times. He does seem to get pushed backwards in pass protection more than you'd like. He has been around long enough to have maxed out strength wise, so thats a bit of a concern, but I wouldn't go advocating for Farinok just yet, and I doubt the team is considering that at this point.

-Overall depth: The Garrett era felt like we had a top heavy roster. Some stars, names, etc.....but when one starter would go down the drop-off would be quite noticeable, and the opposition seemed to inevitably exploit that and it would cost us. Now when guys like Collins/Wilson/Armstrong go down, we have others to come in and offer up a similar performance.

-Speaking of Steele: He just looks different. Last year he looked like your average fat man....like an extra in a football movie. Now he looks the part of an NFL tackle and is backing it up on the field. If I'm Collins, I'm nervous.

-JSmith: One play aside, he really did play pretty well. The spy role is probably where he is best used at this point, and the coaches are doing an excellent job of putting people in the right places to get the most out of them....something that was missing here for a very long while.

- Steele: there are some things Steele has improved himself that factors,..but some things this team has adjusted and schemed to help his case,
(excessive run game, short pass sets/roll outs, chip-double teams) another is Dak’s quick passing game.
but scheme or not, I didn't think we could get by with success with him as much the past 2 games .

- With Jaylon that’s more of Jaylon keeping any and all plays in front of him, so he can have amp cushion to drive forward, anything lateral or
if he has to fight thru traffic, it’s a losing position once Neal is due to return, look for his snaps and reps to be reduced again.

- It hasn't been brought up here, but LVE is not only staying healthy, but he's also playing solid. i dunno how much is Quinn, how much is George Edwards,
but it's a difference between scheme, assignments, and coaching vs what was observed last year.
It's not quite a complete deal yet, as there's still too many blown assignments -especially with the Eagles TEs last game.

- Depth ? If Dak goes down for a game or so,.. if he gets a concussion or sprained ankle or bum shoulder for a game or two, …there isn’t any Andy Dalton
waiting in the wings, .. i just don't see us getting by with a win o two with scrub Cooper Rush.
And how many years have we went (gambled) with just Rush as primary backup ? Hope the brick wall doesn;t come back to bite us ..

 

[quickccc]

Maybe Biadasz can or will get stronger but the point is this year he is getting bull rushed into Dak pretty regularly and that is going to be something every team will pick up on. The same goes for Connor Williams. There are plenty of big strong DTs in the league, but especially in the NCF East. I don't think Dallas has another option at C, and that was a failure in the off-season. McGovern seems to be an option at LG but Dallas doesn't seem to think so.

The Cowboys showed they can overcome this problem by beating the Eagles pretty easily. I'd be more concerned about it if they make the playoffs. We saw on a series of plays how Vita Vea took advantage of it and snuffed out a Cowboys drive. In close games it could make a difference.

We have a long way to go in the season but right now OL is apriority in the draft.

And it's a big difference between Weight Room strength .. vs Play Strength.
There's been several players who don't play to the weight room strength and translate it to the playing field.

 

[OmerV]

I'll leave out most of the obvious and/or things that have been said often. Credit to the many unmentioned players who really showed up to play.

-Biadasz: I'm not ready to give up on him. His run blocking is more than acceptable. We ran all over them all night and he was right in the middle of that many times. He does seem to get pushed backwards in pass protection more than you'd like. He has been around long enough to have maxed out strength wise, so thats a bit of a concern, but I wouldn't go advocating for Farinok just yet, and I doubt the team is considering that at this point.

-Overall depth: The Garrett era felt like we had a top heavy roster. Some stars, names, etc.....but when one starter would go down the drop-off would be quite noticeable, and the opposition seemed to inevitably exploit that and it would cost us. Now when guys like Collins/Wilson/Armstrong go down, we have others to come in and offer up a similar performance.

-Speaking of Steele: He just looks different. Last year he looked like your average fat man....like an extra in a football movie. Now he looks the part of an NFL tackle and is backing it up on the field. If I'm Collins, I'm nervous.

-JSmith: One play aside, he really did play pretty well. The spy role is probably where he is best used at this point, and the coaches are doing an excellent job of putting people in the right places to get the most out of them....something that was missing here for a very long while.

Last year I thought Steele looked like he had the physical tools, but he was nowhere near ready, especially with no OTA's, no preseason games and limited training camp. I hoped a year would make a difference, and it appears it has. Obviously while he struggled some last year, that experience has to be helping this year..

 

[kskboys]

And it's a big difference between Weight Room strength .. vs Play Strength.
There's been several players who don't play to the weight room strength and translate it to the playing field.

Yup. Wasn't Costa a big weightlifter?

 

[fivetwos]

- Steele: there are some things Steele has improved himself that factors,..but some things this team has adjusted and schemed to help his case,
(excessive run game, short pass sets/roll outs, chip-double teams) another is Dak’s quick passing game.
but scheme or not, I didn't think we could get by with success with him as much the past 2 games .

- With Jaylon that’s more of Jaylon keeping any and all plays in front of him, so he can have amp cushion to drive forward, anything lateral or
if he has to fight thru traffic, it’s a losing position once Neal is due to return, look for his snaps and reps to be reduced again.

- It hasn't been brought up here, but LVE is not only staying healthy, but he's also playing solid. i dunno how much is Quinn, how much is George Edwards,
but it's a difference between scheme, assignments, and coaching vs what was observed last year.
It's not quite a complete deal yet, as there's still too many blown assignments -especially with the Eagles TEs last game.

- Depth ? If Dak goes down for a game or so,.. if he gets a concussion or sprained ankle or bum shoulder for a game or two, …there isn’t any Andy Dalton
waiting in the wings, .. i just don't see us getting by with a win o two with scrub Cooper Rush.
And how many years have we went (gambled) with just Rush as primary backup ? Hope the brick wall doesn;t come back to bite us ..

All comes down to better coaching IMO.

If Dak goes down it's all over. We know that.

He is different when it comes to any depth conversation. Not replaceable...but that's what you live with in this league.

What Philly pulled off a few years ago is the exception, and most aren't equipped to handle that kind of loss at that spot.

We definitely arent.

 

[fivetwos]

Last year I thought Steele looked like he had the physical tools, but he was nowhere near ready, especially with no OTA's, no preseason games and limited training camp. I hoped a year would make a difference, and it appears it has. Obviously while he struggled some last year, that experience has to be helping this year..

He looked way lost last year.

Not that he was alone on that club in that regard lol.

He just wasn't ready, strength wise or experience wise.

It seemed like they forced the start on him in the Rams opener as opposed to going with Knight, but I guess the staff saw in him what are seeing now.

It'd be nice to dismiss Collins given his antics and high salary, but watch and see if we don't need him badly by the time he is eligible to come back.

Bottom line is Terrance Steele has been much more of an asset than a problem on this team for the last two games....and not many of us, myself included, were confident of that after the Collins news.

 

[SackMaster]

-JSmith: One play aside, he really did play pretty well. The spy role is probably where he is best used at this point, and the coaches are doing an excellent job of putting people in the right places to get the most out of them....something that was missing here for a very long while.

This actually surprised me. Before the game, I was wanting Parsons to play LB to spy because we was the only one I trusted to stop Hurts 9/10 times from taking off and killing us.

Hurts was about as shutdown on the ground as you could wish for, and Jaylon is a big reason for that with Parsons playing DE most the game.

Gotta give him credit.

 

[johneric8]

This should be the starting 5...

T. Smith
C. McGovern
M. Farniok
Z. Martin
T. Steele

thank God you're not the coach..

 

[fivetwos]

This actually surprised me. Before the game, I was wanting Parsons to play LB to spy because we was the only one I trusted to stop Hurts 9/10 times from taking off and killing us.

Hurts was about as shutdown on the ground as you could wish for, and Jaylon is a big reason for that with Parsons playing DE most the game.

Gotta give him credit.

Yep.

He is obviously going to play. Kudos to the staff for finding a way for him to not ruin things out there.

Still makes me nervous, but he is only here for the rest of this year....then we no longer need to worry about him not filling a gap because he guessed wrong or is hesitant at contact.

I've truly never seen as much of an enigma as an NFL player as him and it may not be close.

But....not a trash Jaylon Smith post as much as it's a praise the staff thing.

I'm just extremely happy to see results in that regard. It was missing for a long while.

 

[quickccc]

All comes down to better coaching IMO.

If Dak goes down it's all over. We know that.

He is different when it comes to any depth conversation. Not replaceable...but that's what you live with in this league.

What Philly pulled off a few years ago is the exception, and most aren't equipped to handle that kind of loss at that spot.

We definitely arent.

I hear ya ,, but seems like you're referring to maybe the entire or remaining season,.(ala Nick Foles with Philly) .that's another matter altogether .
.. while i'm talking about one, two or no more than 3 games that's why i was making reference to a one game concussion
or two game sprained ankle or shoulder. Just a short stop gap solution.

You'd like to have a serviceable enough backup to at least give you a chance to compete ... to get you by ..until your franchise guy gets back in the saddle again
to finished the run .. ( ala infamous Jason Garrett Thanksgiving game )

And why those even 1 to 2 games could be of factor ..a big factor ? ...Securing Playoff Home Field Advantage.
We could well be in a tight closely race with a Tampa, LA Rams, etc. at the very finishing of regular season.

 

[fivetwos]

I hear ya ,, but seems like you're referring to maybe the entire or remaining season,.(ala Nick Foles with Philly) .that's another matter altogether .
.. while i'm talking about one, two or no more than 3 games that's why i was making reference to a one game concussion
or two game sprained ankle or shoulder. Just a short stop gap solution.

You'd like to have a serviceable enough backup to at least give you a chance to compete ... to get you by ..until your franchise guy gets back in the saddle again
to finished the run .. ( ala infamous Jason Garrett Thanksgiving game )

And why those even 1 to 2 games could be of factor ..a big factor ? ...Securing Playoff Home Field Advantage.
We could well be in a tight closely race with a Tampa, LA Rams, etc. at the very finishing of regular season.

Yep ok. Misunderstood. My fault.

 

[America's Cowboy]

thank God you're not the coach..

Cowboys Oline would be dominating.

 

[GORICO]

So what, they had 4 more days to scout the Cowboys. Our 6 days is plenty of time to prepare for this game. We gain a day of pre-time by hosting the game. And our 12th man will show up again to cheer on our 'Boys.

cant argue with that....thanks Joe

 

[kskboys]

All comes down to better coaching IMO.

If Dak goes down it's all over. We know that.

He is different when it comes to any depth conversation. Not replaceable...but that's what you live with in this league.

What Philly pulled off a few years ago is the exception, and most aren't equipped to handle that kind of loss at that spot.

We definitely arent.

And Osa and Parsons and having actual S's.

 

[GORICO]

Short rest is a real thing, no matter what anyone says to the contrary.

i like that its early game...they will have more energy and less time to stress.....hope our players are morning people?