Video: Randy Gregory

rocyaice said:
Maybe I was watching different games. He looked to be NFL ready in the few games I saw early on before the injury. He surely didn't look like a rookie or like someone that's not capable of being a NFL DE.
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You were watching him in preseason where he did look rather dominant with 3 sacks and some pressures against mostly backup players. His regular season was a complete disappointment and to follow it up with a drug suspension casts serious doubts on his future. The worst fears about Randy Gregory have been realized and the teams that passed him up in the draft are counting their blessings. He's never going to become a mega rich player even if he produces big because no one will ever guarantee hm a lot of money giving him more of a reason to throw his NFL career away in favor of a drug habit.
 
KJJ said:
You were watching him in preseason where he did look rather dominant with 3 sacks and some pressures against mostly backup players. His regular season was a complete disappointment and to follow it up with a drug suspension casts serious doubts on his future. The worst fears about Randy Gregory have been realized and the teams that passed him up in the draft are counting their blessings. He's never going to become a mega rich player even if he produces big because no one will ever guarantee hm a lot of money giving him more of a reason to throw his NFL career away in favor of a drug habit.
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You can write the guy off just so you can be the first to say "I told you so..." But in reality he had a underwhelming rookie campaign when he was injured most of it. No one in their right mind writes a player off after just one season in the NFL unless there's an agenda behind it.
 
AKATheRake said:
I know we don't trust the guy right now and rightfully so. But I came across this phenomenal video regarding Randy's game and it makes sense why we drafted him.




Man, if we can just keep him focused and get him on the field.

We have more blue chip talent on defense than we think.
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I don't see much in this video to make me excited. He looks slow off the ball and two steps late getting to the QB. What are you seeing?
 
jobberone said:
People see the talent although you apparently don't. It hasn't translated yet but he was injured around game one.

No one knows what hole Gregory has or why nor what if any personality disorder he may have on top of his addiction. His need for pot is to fill the hole and he is obviously addicted as well. You may not understand this and I wouldn't expect all here to but you may consider being a bit more respectful and sensitive.

Not all things are a matter of just will your way.
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i know people who can't or won't give up pot, and i know how destructive addiction is. but if that's your argument, then you're making things worse. if he is really that broken, then the team had no business drafting him and giving him the money and the pressure to further his addictive behavior.
 
KJJ said:
You were watching him in preseason where he did look rather dominant with 3 sacks and some pressures against mostly backup players. His regular season was a complete disappointment and to follow it up with a drug suspension casts serious doubts on his future. The worst fears about Randy Gregory have been realized and the teams that passed him up in the draft are counting their blessings. He's never going to become a mega rich player even if he produces big because no one will ever guarantee hm a lot of money giving him more of a reason to throw his NFL career away in favor of a drug habit.
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That's not true, he has 3 years remaining in his rookie deal and if he stays out of trouble and produces the next few years. ....especially double digit sacks he will get a contract
 
rocyaice said:
You can write the guy off just so you can be the first to say "I told you so..." But in reality he had a underwhelming rookie campaign when he was injured most of it. No one in their right mind writes a player off after just one season in the NFL unless there's an agenda behind it.
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I've clearly started on the board that I'm not writing hm off but his career doesn't look real promising at this point due to his pot dependency. The concerns I have with him have nothing to do with his talent or that he came off an injury plagued rookie season it has to do with his positive drug test. You would have thought after all Gregory went through after testing positive for pot at the combine causing him to fall in the draft that he would have done everything possible to clean up after the Cowboys gave him an opportunity. He tested positive at the most important job interview a college player can have and follows up his rookie season with another positive drug test. What an IDIOT!

He's basically 2 suspensions away from being done in the NFL. All 32 teams passed him up in the first round on draft day and several passed on him in the second round because of the fears he was a drug addict and those fears have been realized. It's all on him whether he wants to have a long NFL career or be out of the league in the next few years. No one can save a person from themselves it's up to them. We'll just have to sit back and see if football is important enough to Gregory for him to get clean.
 
Irvin88_4life said:
That's not true, he has 3 years remaining in his rookie deal and if he stays out of trouble and produces the next few years. ....especially double digit sacks he will get a contract
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Go back and read my post again I never said he wouldn't get a contract, I said no one will "guarantee" him a lot of money. How can you misinterpret that? If he produces and doesn't suffer another drug suspension during the duration of his rookie contract the Cowboys will offer him a deal that would protect the team in the event he tests positive again. It would include a moderate signing bonus and little to no guaranteed money. Mark my words no team in the league including the Cowboys will ever trust Randy Gregory with a lot of guaranteed money.

No one is ever "cured" of a drug addiction it's an ongoing battle. Gregory has screwed himself of ever being handed a huge chunk of guaranteed money regardless how great a player he becomes because of the risk he carries. No team is going to trust a player who's had repeated drug issues dating back to college with a lot of guaranteed money.
 
Pokes12 said:
I don't see much in this video to make me excited. He looks slow off the ball and two steps late getting to the QB. What are you seeing?
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The guy doing the analysis tells you why. He's supposed to wait for the tackle to move first 75% of the time. The other 20% he has to wait till the ball is snapped and the other 5% is off a cadence count.

For him to get the the QB as much as he had having to play run and gap 1st always, is incredible.

Furthermore, at his size to be as good against the run as he was is another endorsement of his overall talent. Basically he has no holes in his game.

The issue is off the field between the pot and other extracurriculars..
 
KJJ said:
Go back and read my post again I never said he wouldn't get a contract, I said no one will "guarantee" him a lot of money. How can you misinterpret that? If he produces and doesn't suffer another drug suspension during the duration of his rookie contract the Cowboys will offer him a deal that would protect the team in the event he tests positive again. It would include a moderate signing bonus and little to no guaranteed money. Mark my words no team in the league including the Cowboys will ever trust Randy Gregory with a lot of guaranteed money.

No one is ever "cured" of a drug addiction it's an ongoing battle. Gregory has screwed himself of ever being handed a huge chunk of guaranteed money regardless how great a player he becomes because of the risk he carries. No team is going to trust a player who's had repeated drug issues dating back to college with a lot of guaranteed money.
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That's not true. If he stays out of trouble and shows he can be productive both on and off the field he will get his money. Janoris Jenkins had drug issues but he got paid because he showed he can still clean. .....I know what your going to say, if is a if no doubt and you can also say Jenkins haven't failed drug test but we have no way knowing that unless it got to suspension.

No need to argue your point I'm not changing my mind and you most likely aren't changing yours so good day
 
Irvin88_4life said:
That's not true. If he stays out of trouble and shows he can be productive both on and off the field he will get his money. Janoris Jenkins had drug issues but he got paid because he showed he can still clean. .....I know what your going to say, if is a if no doubt and you can also say Jenkins haven't failed drug test but we have no way knowing that unless it got to suspension.

No need to argue your point I'm not changing my mind and you most likely aren't changing yours so good day
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It is true, no team including the Cowboys will ever "guarantee" Gregory "a lot" of money no matter how great a player he becomes. Feel free to bookmark this thread and come back in a few years and see if I'm wrong. Gregory's chances of ever receiving "a lot of guaranteed money" went down the drain with his latest failed drug test. Jenkins drug issues pale in comparison to Gregory's because Jenkins didn't test positive at the COMBINE and he didn't follow it up with a positive test after his rookie season. A player testing positive at the combine is like them telling teams they're a drug addict. It's not like Gregory didn't know he was going to be tested. The Cowboys take pride in their player program and all it took was one season for Gregory to test positive again.

He reaffirmed what every team suspected at the combine that he has a drug addiction. Janoris Jenkins got $29M fully guaranteed and Gregory won't get that much even if he puts up 15 sacks a season. Jerry was afraid to guarantee Dez a lot of money who didn't have near the concerns Gregory has. Originally Dez was only offered $20M guaranteed until push came to shove and he threatened to miss regular season games. He had the production and clean record to do that. If Gregory goes the next few seasons with no positive tests it's not like teams are going to think he's cured and open the vault for him.

He's going to have to live with team friendly deals with clauses and incentives that will protect teams from any transgressions that may occur with him the rest of his career because that's the road he's paved for himself. He already has one strike against him after only one season. If what happened to him at the combine and the draft didn't get through to him it's pretty clear he has a SERIOUS problem. He's not only going to have to win battles on the field but a battle with drugs. He has a lot on his plate he's going to have to overcome if he's going to have a successful career.
 
KJJ said:
It is true, no team including the Cowboys will ever "guarantee" Gregory "a lot" of money no matter how great a player he becomes. Feel free to bookmark this thread and come back in a few years and see if I'm wrong. Gregory's chances of ever receiving "a lot of guaranteed money" went down the drain with his latest failed drug test. Jenkins drug issues pale in comparison to Gregory's because Jenkins didn't test positive at the COMBINE and he didn't follow it up with a positive test after his rookie season. A player testing positive at the combine is like them telling teams they're a drug addict. It's not like Gregory didn't know he was going to be tested. The Cowboys take pride in their player program and all it took was one season for Gregory to test positive again.

He reaffirmed what every team suspected at the combine that he has a drug addiction. Janoris Jenkins got $29M fully guaranteed and Gregory won't get that much even if he puts up 15 sacks a season. Jerry was afraid to guarantee Dez a lot of money who didn't have near the concerns Gregory has. Originally Dez was only offered $20M guaranteed until push came to shove and he threatened to miss regular season games. He had the production and clean record to do that. If Gregory goes the next few seasons with no positive tests it's not like teams are going to think he's cured and open the vault for him.

He's going to have to live with team friendly deals with clauses and incentives that will protect teams from any transgressions that may occur with him the rest of his career because that's the road he's paved for himself. He already has one strike against him after only one season. If what happened to him at the combine and the draft didn't get through to him it's pretty clear he has a SERIOUS problem. He's not only going to have to win battles on the field but a battle with drugs. He has a lot on his plate he's going to have to overcome if he's going to have a successful career.
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Meh. If he goes the 3 years remaining on his rookie contract without a problem then I don't think what you are saying is accurate. It's not like he is a FA now or next year. The CBA very well could change as well.

The NFL is not like your typical corporate environment. Labor is unparalleled scarce particularly at the EDGE.
 
KJJ said:
It is true, no team including the Cowboys will ever "guarantee" Gregory "a lot" of money no matter how great a player he becomes. Feel free to bookmark this thread and come back in a few years and see if I'm wrong. Gregory's chances of ever receiving "a lot of guaranteed money" went down the drain with his latest failed drug test. Jenkins drug issues pale in comparison to Gregory's because Jenkins didn't test positive at the COMBINE and he didn't follow it up with a positive test after his rookie season. A player testing positive at the combine is like them telling teams they're a drug addict. It's not like Gregory didn't know he was going to be tested. The Cowboys take pride in their player program and all it took was one season for Gregory to test positive again.

He reaffirmed what every team suspected at the combine that he has a drug addiction. Janoris Jenkins got $29M fully guaranteed and Gregory won't get that much even if he puts up 15 sacks a season. Jerry was afraid to guarantee Dez a lot of money who didn't have near the concerns Gregory has. Originally Dez was only offered $20M guaranteed until push came to shove and he threatened to miss regular season games. He had the production and clean record to do that. If Gregory goes the next few seasons with no positive tests it's not like teams are going to think he's cured and open the vault for him.

He's going to have to live with team friendly deals with clauses and incentives that will protect teams from any transgressions that may occur with him the rest of his career because that's the road he's paved for himself. He already has one strike against him after only one season. If what happened to him at the combine and the draft didn't get through to him it's pretty clear he has a SERIOUS problem. He's not only going to have to win battles on the field but a battle with drugs. He has a lot on his plate he's going to have to overcome if he's going to have a successful career.
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If Gregory is a pass rusher getting 10+ sacks for the next 3 years he will get plenty of guaranteed money, weed problem be damned. Look at Justin Houston. He tested positive for weed at the combine. He has produced since and that fool got a crazy deal
 
JPostSam said:
i know people who can't or won't give up pot, and i know how destructive addiction is. but if that's your argument, then you're making things worse. if he is really that broken, then the team had no business drafting him and giving him the money and the pressure to further his addictive behavior.
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This is a normal comment from a non-professional. The incidence of mental illness including personality disorders is higher than most think.
 
Jstopper said:
If Gregory is a pass rusher getting 10+ sacks for the next 3 years he will get plenty of guaranteed money, weed problem be damned. Look at Justin Houston. He tested positive for weed at the combine. He has produced since and that fool got a crazy deal
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Not buying that for one second. Although Houston tested positive at the combine he didn't follow it up with another positive test after his rookie season. Houston had a promising rookie season with 5.5 sacks and his sack totals kept climbing each year. He's had no missed steps with drugs since turning pro in 2011 which gained him trust. Gregory is a different story his latest positive test has everyone rolling their eyes with it coming right after his rookie season. He didn't waste any time proving the naysayers right. He obviously has a serious pot addiction and it's going to cost him his career if he can't give up the drug. What made Gregory's failed combine drug test more troubling than Houston's failed test is Houston wasn't as highly touted as Gregory who many had as a top 15 pick. With a magnifying glass on the top talent it made Gregory's failed drug test even more troubling to NFL teams.

Jerry Jones isn't going to fork over a lot of guaranteed money to Gregory and I doubt Gregory will come close to the production that Justin Houston has produced the past 4 years to tempt anyone into risking that kind of guaranteed money on him. Gregory is already way behind with his rookie season in the toilet and with 4 games thrown away in 2016. Houston produced 15.5 sacks his first 2 seasons and he took off from there. Gregory had an opportunity to prove he had changed his ways after the Cowboys gave him a chance. He said all the right things on draft day and now look at him. He's made the organization and himself look bad and it will continue to cost him financially. If the Cowboys player program can't straighten him out no other teams are going to waste their time with him.
 
Risen Star said:
Completely agree. Tired of everyone being a victim. Randy Gregory is his own worst enemy. He's got every opportunity to have the world in the palm of his hand and if he fails he has nobody but himself to blame.

I would bet against him. I think as a Cardinal rule any player who fails a drug test at the combine should be eliminated from consideration. That player is either so addicted he can't stop or he is monumentally stupid and that figures to hamper his pro career.

I just have no tolerance for these kinds of players. Give me the Charles Tappers any day.
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You are right in that it is his actions are solely his responsibility. Without working closely with mental illness it is hard to understand the issue though.
 
jobberone said:
This is a normal comment from a non-professional. The incidence of mental illness including personality disorders is higher than most think.
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:) Let's leave Maharishi Mahesh Yogi out of the discussion...

My starting point now, is Lawrence/Irvin and Gregory/Mayowa. Let's see if Mincey or Crawford then affects that starting point.
 
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