Video: Randy Gregory

[jobberone]

dude, i'm sure you're great at your job -- and i'm even more sure that i'm not great at your job -- but you are so high on your soap box that you can't see the point here. this is not about getting proper care to people who need it.

the cowboys had no obligation to draft randy gregory, and they have no obligation to continue to employ him now. so, if -- if! -- he has the issues that you imply that he has, and if they knew about those issues before drafting him, then they took on unnecessary risks. and, so far, those risks have not been outweighed by the rewards.

that is all.

My point is not about Randy Gregory per se.

And don't insult others then complain about being insulted. Your attitude about mental illness is antiquated to be very nice and a good reason people avoid proper treatment.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You're entitled to your opinions but just so you know the 3 top ranking officials in this organization as in Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones and Jason Garrett have all said Gregory is improving and that they expect him to be playing in the future at a high level for this team.

Cmon on now..........................dont be naive. They have to say that. And if you listened to Stephen Jones he didnt give much of a vote of confidence. If you read between the lines, he is basically saying he has one more chance. He even talked about Gregory "having an illness". That doesnt sound like a guy that is too happy about things.

Im just trying to give you advice. You are better off writing Gregory off. Chances are that he wont work out. Reality sucks sometimes, but that is reality. Lawrence I dont have nearly those concerns.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Blue chip is elite talent. Randy Gregory & Jaylon Smith have the talent to be perrenial all-pro/pro-bowl players.

And neither of them are playing for us. Isnt that ironic? Both 2nd round gambles and one is already nearly done in the NFL. Seems kind of stupid for an owner that claims he is playing for "right now" and "Romo's last window"

 

[KJJ]

You also said they feel out the first round because of injuries and drug issues which makes them not blue chip prospects. ...

He never said any of that initially. He never said anything about either player falling in the draft due to drug issues or injuries he pointed directly to their "talent" as the reason they fell.

Isn't the term 'blue chip' for, like, can't-miss exceptional prospects? I hardly think Gregory is a can't-miss kinda player. Or Jaylon Smith for that matter. There's a reason both fell out of the 1st.., because they AREN'T 'blue chipper' guarantees. We're seeing now why.

 

[AKATheRake]

Cmon on now..........................dont be naive. They have to say that. And if you listened to Stephen Jones he didnt give much of a vote of confidence. If you read between the lines, he is basically saying he has one more chance. He even talked about Gregory "having an illness". That doesnt sound like a guy that is too happy about things.

Im just trying to give you advice. You are better off writing Gregory off. Chances are that he wont work out. Reality sucks sometimes, but that is reality. Lawrence I dont have nearly those concerns.

I can assure you that Randy Gregory is not the only player on this team that suffers from depression/anxiety. In fact almost 10 percent of the population as a whole suffers from such "illness".

Did we write Charles Haley off?

The difference was the league was a lot looser then than now. Therefore teams have to come up with better support. Not because it's the cuddly and considerate thing to do. It's because 10% of the players in this league have this specific issue and the other percentages have other issues to support.

RKG (Right Kind of Guy) has been monikered countless times but it is as realistic as it can get. Chandler Jones pulled a move before the conference championship. He now got traded to Arizona, another contender. We all know Aldon Smith's transgressions. You think those guys don't suffer from an "illness"? Von Miller has been suspended. Laremy Tunsil still went top 15 admitting to bonging the green 13 minutes before the draft and he was a surefire top 5.

Something about the pass rusher, it seems you probably need a screw or two loose to play it. Something about going at it 40+ times a day against a 300 + lb athletic freak might just have something to do with it.

Even Derek Wolfe from Denver, another of their pass rushers got into some crap during the offseason.

That's 1 RKG (DeMarcus Ware) to 2 not so RKG's (Von Miller, Derek Wolfe) out of the 3 starting pass rushers that just won the superbowl.

By the way. What do you think of Tyrann Matthieu?

Yeah, just write players off!

I'll stop being naive now. Thanks for the advice.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I can assure you that Randy Gregory is not the only player on this team that suffers from depression/anxiety. In fact almost 10 percent of the population as a whole suffers from such "illness".

Did we write Charles Haley off?

The difference was the league was a lot looser then than now. Therefore teams have to come up with better support. Not because it's the cuddly and considerate thing to do. It's because 10% of the players in this league have this specific issue and the other percentages have other issues to support.

RKG (Right Kind of Guy) has been monikered countless times but it is as realistic as it can get. Chandler Jones pulled a move before the conference championship. He now got traded to Arizona, another contender. We all know Aldon Smith's transgressions. You think those guys don't suffer from an "illness"? Von Miller has been suspended. Laremy Tunsil still went top 15 admitting to bonging the green 13 minutes before the draft and he was a surefire top 5.

Something about the pass rusher, it seems you probably need a screw or two loose to play it. Something about going at it 40+ times a day against a 300 + lb athletic freak might just have something to do with it.

Even Derek Wolfe from Denver, another of their pass rushers got into some crap during the offseason.

That's 1 RKG (DeMarcus Ware) to 2 not so RKG's (Von Miller, Derek Wolfe) out of the 3 starting pass rushers that just won the superbowl.

By the way. What do you think of Tyrann Matthieu?

Yeah, just write players off!

I'll stop being naive now. Thanks for the advice.

Yep you nailed it. Different rules now. Are you aware that one more positive test and he is gone for a year?

If the guy couldnt quit for the draft and got busted three more times after he promised to stop during the season then he is all but toast. He obviously suffers from something more severe than normal depression people I have some of them working for me and a cousin that is one and none of them have to smoke dope all day or would quit cold turkey if I told them I would pay them 2 million per year.

I am not writing him off completely, but in my mind, he is all but toast. Even if he stays clean for a year he can fail one next season and be gone. The guy cant handle pressure its that simple. And he is under a lot more pressure now.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I can assure you that Randy Gregory is not the only player on this team that suffers from depression/anxiety. In fact almost 10 percent of the population as a whole suffers from such "illness".

Did we write Charles Haley off?

The difference was the league was a lot looser then than now. Therefore teams have to come up with better support. Not because it's the cuddly and considerate thing to do. It's because 10% of the players in this league have this specific issue and the other percentages have other issues to support.

RKG (Right Kind of Guy) has been monikered countless times but it is as realistic as it can get. Chandler Jones pulled a move before the conference championship. He now got traded to Arizona, another contender. We all know Aldon Smith's transgressions. You think those guys don't suffer from an "illness"? Von Miller has been suspended. Laremy Tunsil still went top 15 admitting to bonging the green 13 minutes before the draft and he was a surefire top 5.

Something about the pass rusher, it seems you probably need a screw or two loose to play it. Something about going at it 40+ times a day against a 300 + lb athletic freak might just have something to do with it.

Even Derek Wolfe from Denver, another of their pass rushers got into some crap during the offseason.

That's 1 RKG (DeMarcus Ware) to 2 not so RKG's (Von Miller, Derek Wolfe) out of the 3 starting pass rushers that just won the superbowl.

By the way. What do you think of Tyrann Matthieu?

Yeah, just write players off!

I'll stop being naive now. Thanks for the advice.

And RKG is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It means nothing. Nothing more than coach speak that no one even cares about when it comes down to winning.

And by any definition Gregory is definitely NOT the RKG.

 

[jobberone]

I can assure you that Randy Gregory is not the only player on this team that suffers from depression/anxiety. In fact almost 10 percent of the population as a whole suffers from such "illness".

Did we write Charles Haley off?

The difference was the league was a lot looser then than now. Therefore teams have to come up with better support. Not because it's the cuddly and considerate thing to do. It's because 10% of the players in this league have this specific issue and the other percentages have other issues to support.

RKG (Right Kind of Guy) has been monikered countless times but it is as realistic as it can get. Chandler Jones pulled a move before the conference championship. He now got traded to Arizona, another contender. We all know Aldon Smith's transgressions. You think those guys don't suffer from an "illness"? Von Miller has been suspended. Laremy Tunsil still went top 15 admitting to bonging the green 13 minutes before the draft and he was a surefire top 5.

Something about the pass rusher, it seems you probably need a screw or two loose to play it. Something about going at it 40+ times a day against a 300 + lb athletic freak might just have something to do with it.

Even Derek Wolfe from Denver, another of their pass rushers got into some crap during the offseason.

That's 1 RKG (DeMarcus Ware) to 2 not so RKG's (Von Miller, Derek Wolfe) out of the 3 starting pass rushers that just won the superbowl.

By the way. What do you think of Tyrann Matthieu?

Yeah, just write players off!

I'll stop being naive now. Thanks for the advice.

The true incidence is likely closer to 30% since so much of the population hides it.

 

[speedkilz88]

I can assure you that Randy Gregory is not the only player on this team that suffers from depression/anxiety. In fact almost 10 percent of the population as a whole suffers from such "illness".

Did we write Charles Haley off?

The difference was the league was a lot looser then than now. Therefore teams have to come up with better support. Not because it's the cuddly and considerate thing to do. It's because 10% of the players in this league have this specific issue and the other percentages have other issues to support.

RKG (Right Kind of Guy) has been monikered countless times but it is as realistic as it can get. Chandler Jones pulled a move before the conference championship. He now got traded to Arizona, another contender. We all know Aldon Smith's transgressions. You think those guys don't suffer from an "illness"? Von Miller has been suspended. Laremy Tunsil still went top 15 admitting to bonging the green 13 minutes before the draft and he was a surefire top 5.

Something about the pass rusher, it seems you probably need a screw or two loose to play it. Something about going at it 40+ times a day against a 300 + lb athletic freak might just have something to do with it.

Even Derek Wolfe from Denver, another of their pass rushers got into some crap during the offseason.

That's 1 RKG (DeMarcus Ware) to 2 not so RKG's (Von Miller, Derek Wolfe) out of the 3 starting pass rushers that just won the superbowl.

By the way. What do you think of Tyrann Matthieu?

Yeah, just write players off!

I'll stop being naive now. Thanks for the advice.

Denver also drafted Shane Ray in the first round of the same draft as Gregory.

 

[AKATheRake]

Yep you nailed it. Different rules now. Are you aware that one more positive test and he is gone for a year?

If the guy couldnt quit for the draft and got busted three more times after he promised to stop during the season then he is all but toast. He obviously suffers from something more severe than normal depression people I have some of them working for me and a cousin that is one and none of them have to smoke dope all day or would quit cold turkey if I told them I would pay them 2 million per year.

I am not writing him off completely, but in my mind, he is all but toast. Even if he stays clean for a year he can fail one next season and be gone. The guy cant handle pressure its that simple. And he is under a lot more pressure now.

He would be suspended for 10 games. Yes, I do realize everything regarding his circumstances.

You're using the word naive and it's naive to believe that the majority of these guys all have their marbles in check.

I'm not standing up for the guy or even giving him sympathy. I'm just stating the realities of the NFL and players don't just get written off because of "illness" or "addiction. Guess why? The majority of them have a variety of issues. The NFL is not going to just tell you that.

They get paid to smash one another around. You do realize that, don't you?

 

[AKATheRake]

Denver also drafted Shane Ray in the first round of the same draft as Gregory.

There you go. 3/4 not so RKG's.

They just won the superbowl.

Oh, Aqib Talib is a sweetheart too. Also played for Belichick.

 

[AKATheRake]

And RKG is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It means nothing. Nothing more than coach speak that no one even cares about when it comes down to winning.

And by any definition Gregory is definitely NOT the RKG.

You sound like a guy who gets paid $6 million per year to coach and develop players.

All I hear out of you is words like naive and dumb.

So just write the guy off cause he's not a RKG (coach speak), when the rest of the league doesn't just "write" their guys off. But then to come up with a player model (RKG) in your words "coach speak" is just that.

Anyways, your right bud, cause that's all you want to hear.

I'm going to make it simple for you instead of going back and forth.

This is the NFL where players get paid to smash one another around. Half of them, star players included, have issues physically or mentally. It does not mean they are right or wrong, it means that is the reality of the business and it's core component that it sells. The players.

If you want to win, you have to understand that this is a huge variable and you better get some system/support in place to be able to work with these players you invested millions in. Just cutting them will not help you win as every team has a percentage of these challenges. The better you are at managing these challenges the higher your probability of being competitive is.

Boy does San Fran look so much better without Aldon Smith. How many Superbowls did we win with Charles Haley?

Accept the reality, you are going to have to deal with some of this on every team. Pot, assault, DUI's. Even underwear stealing. Many different types of cases. Let's get rid of Oscan, he had some molly in his system the other year.

You think Jason Witten grows off trees?

 

[AKATheRake]

The true incidence is likely closer to 30% since so much of the population hides it.

True enough. Plus the other issues and that's why I say the majority of these players require some type of support.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

He never said any of that initially. He never said anything about either player falling in the draft due to drug issues or injuries he pointed directly to their "talent" as the reason they fell.

I believe it was a later post but anyways we know what kind of talent they are

 

[KJJ]

I believe it was a later post but anyways we know what kind of talent they are

Once I brought up that Gregory fell due to his positive drug test at the combine and Smith fell due to a serious knee injury he tried putting a spin on it. He pointed to the failed drug test by Gregory and the injury to Smith as to why they're not blue-chip players which is complete nonsense. He didn't know the facts and got caught with his pants down.

 

[JPostSam]

My point is not about Randy Gregory per se.

And don't insult others then complain about being insulted. Your attitude about mental illness is antiquated to be very nice and a good reason people avoid proper treatment.

jobberone, i respect you as a poster here, but you have jumped the shark.

my view of mental illness is that it is serious, complicated, and deserving of thorough and compassionate treatment.

your characterization of me is false, inaccurate, overly presumptive and totally self-righteous.

it's time to out you.

you said before that you had said too much. on the contrary, you have said too little.

so, tell us: have you seen randy gregory's medical file? have you had any access to his confidential medical information?

if so, your hints and intimations here about serious mentall illness that has not been reported elsewhere or released for public consumption is highly unethical, and entirely unbefitting the professional that you claim to be.

if not -- well, if not, sir, then you are assuming things about the young man that you have no right to assume, asserting things about his mental state that you have no right to assert. shame on you.

there is no middle ground between those two possibilities. either you are being frivolous with private and sensitive information, or you are making things up. neither is flattering.

so, stop your posturing and stick to talking about football.

 

[BAT]

Isn't the term 'blue chip' for, like, can't-miss exceptional prospects? I hardly think Gregory is a can't-miss kinda player. Or Jaylon Smith for that matter. There's a reason both fell out of the 1st.., because they AREN'T 'blue chipper' guarantees. We're seeing now why.

Blue chip talent does not guarantee success. Nothing guarantees success no matter how talented, intelligent, etc. you may be. There are other intangibles that have to be there as well as the talent, not to mention outside factors some outside of anyone's control.

And both Gregory and Jaylon were considered the best at their position going into their respective drafts prior to the off field and injury stuff. That is the definition of blue chipper.

 

[LatinMind]

Didnt like the player before the draft, didnt like the pick on draft day and still dont. Not even going into his off the field problems, the guy is weak. Will never be able to handle LTs.

 

[jobberone]

jobberone, i respect you as a poster here, but you have jumped the shark.

my view of mental illness is that it is serious, complicated, and deserving of thorough and compassionate treatment.

your characterization of me is false, inaccurate, overly presumptive and totally self-righteous.

it's time to out you.

you said before that you had said too much. on the contrary, you have said too little.

so, tell us: have you seen randy gregory's medical file? have you had any access to his confidential medical information?

if so, your hints and intimations here about serious mentall illness that has not been reported elsewhere or released for public consumption is highly unethical, and entirely unbefitting the professional that you claim to be.

if not -- well, if not, sir, then you are assuming things about the young man that you have no right to assume, asserting things about his mental state that you have no right to assert. shame on you.

there is no middle ground between those two possibilities. either you are being frivolous with private and sensitive information, or you are making things up. neither is flattering.

so, stop your posturing and stick to talking about football.

First don't tell me what to do. And I haven't characterized you at all although you would be correct to assume I've called you out for your insensitivity and lack of knowledge about the subject matter. Without training you and everyone else is shooting from the hip. So I'm not being judgmental towards you. However, without proper training and knowledge, as I said before, you may want to temper your comments.

No I don't have access to his file. However, I have enough years of practice and training to be able to make a statement within a reasonable degree of medical certainty (a medical and legal statement to clarify my closely chosen words) that he has some mental problems and the overwhelmingly likely diagnoses at least includes some degree of depression with comorbid anxiety. I'd even be surprised if there aren't some further comorbid diagnoses and I'd be looking for ADD/ADHD and a personality disorder. I can't know for a fact without testing and lots of questions but I'd be right 90+% of the time in a patient with an addictive personality and an active addiction there is an element of depression and anxiety as well as sleep dysfunction. I don't really expect you to even understand this plain English as you don't have the background to filter it and you have become entrenched in a pissing contest with me rather than with the issues.

I've given you and the site very good information and you're welcome to embrace or reject it in toto or in parts as you wish. I have zero vested interest in changing your opinion about anything. I do take a small amount of exception with comments from lay people which tend to drive mental disorders into the shadows rather than into treatment. You don't treat patients and you've never been responsible for the care of another human being who committed suicide on your watch.

You have a nice evening and that will be my last comment in this thread. You're welcome to the last word.

 

[Spectre]

Blue chip talent does not guarantee success. Nothing guarantees success no matter how talented, intelligent, etc. you may be. There are other intangibles that have to be there as well as the talent, not to mention outside factors some outside of anyone's control.

And both Gregory and Jaylon were considered the best at their position going into their respective drafts prior to the off field and injury stuff. That is the definition of blue chipper.

This post says two different things at once.