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[khiladi]

Tom Hanks has put out garbage the last few years...

 

[morasp]

Anything praising T. Colin Campbell's stuff is a waste of time...

I choose to think otherwise. But hey, thanks for the insightful response!

 

[khiladi]

Well, considering nations like China and Japan have the highest stomach cancers in the world, I'd take anything he says with grain of salt. He even realizes the foolishness of it, when he tries to correlate these facts which contradict his assertions with rationale like fermented foods being the reason for the higher rates. His China Study is nothing but a bunch of flawed epidemiological correlations that have no basis in reality.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Tom Hanks has put out garbage the last few years...

Any actor can say the same thing.

 

[morasp]

Well, considering nations like China and Japan have the highest stomach cancers in the world, I'd take anything he says with grain of salt. He even realizes the foolishness of it, when he tries to correlate these facts which contradict his assertions with rationale like fermented foods being the reason for the higher rates. His China Study is nothing but a bunch of flawed epidemiological correlations that have no basis in reality.

I might be kind of dense but that makes no sense to me at all. I looked it up and China is number 10 in stomach cancer but what does that have to do with the study? My understanding is that it correlates the incidence of different kinds of cancer to the consumption of animal products. If there are a larger number of cases of stomach cancer that just increases the statistical population.

 

[joseephuss]

Tom Hanks has put out garbage the last few years...

That is more about his inability to choose good scripts and roles than his abilities as an actor.

 

[khiladi]

Good scripts often correlates with good acting. Tom Hanks has looked bad in those movies as wel.

 

[khiladi]

I might be kind of dense but that makes no sense to me at all. I looked it up and China is number 10 in stomach cancer but what does that have to do with the study? My understanding is that it correlates the incidence of different kinds of cancer to the consumption of animal products. If there are a larger number of cases of stomach cancer that just increases the statistical population.

But the "Chinese", depending on what suits his context, are the basis for Colin's argument that their 'diet' is better than the Western diet. This is what he says in the stomch cancer context against the Americans having much less of it, despite the Western diet:

http://www.tcolincampbell.org/courses-resources/article/stomach-cancer-in-china/browse/4/?tx_ttnews[backPid]=76&cHash=f0bc9fe243c9119db11ecfb114a0950a

While all cancer rates are generally very low in China, stomach cancer leaps out as a glaring exception. Figured at a population base of 100,000, the incidence in the U.S. is just 6.5, contrasted with a 90.9 incidence for China. What's going on here?

Three main factors appear to be responsible for China's high stomach cancer rates: preserved vegetables, stomach bacterial infections, and low blood levels of certain antioxidant nutrients. Interestingly, China Project scientists found that even in those people predisposed to the stomach cancers, a higher intake of plant foods led to fewer cancers.

In China, where refrigerators are rare, preserving vegetables by a combination of fermenting and salting is common. Fermentation per se may not be the problem as much as the way in which it is done. Bacteria and molds often intrude into the process triggering the sequence leading to cancer. Especially, stomachs chronically infected with the bacterium Helicobacter pylori³one of the prime suspects in cases of stomach ulcers³were found to be at increased risk for stomach cancers. This is particularly alarming because in the counties studied in China, H. pylori infection affected from 27 to 96% of the population.

On a more optimistic note, a strong protective factor for stomach cancer in China appears to be a high intake of fresh plant foods, and especially those with high levels of selenium and beta-carotene.

So why isn't fermented food, salting, preserved vegetables, stomach bcetrial infections and low blood levels of certain antioxidant nutrents what protective against the cancers that the Americans get, per Campbell? Look at how he speculates fermentation may not be the problem, but the way in which "it is done"... There are other thins he doesn't mention, such as places like Indian being the fastest growing nation for diabetes, though they are Hindu and primarily vegetarian.

His agenda is to stain meat based upon ridiculous correlations. Yes, the Western diet is animal-based, but it's also full of heavy doses of fruits and vegetables, as well as processed foods, and lack of sleep and poor exerise and obesity overall. Chinese, Westerners and many people in general smoke as well. Th China Study doesn't control for anything, i.e. it's just a hot mess of manipulative statistical correlations.

 

[Khartun]

You guys are all wrong. Nic Cage is the best actor ever!



hahaha, j/k. That guy is horrible.

 

[morasp]

But the "Chinese", depending on what suits his context, are the basis for Colin's argument that their 'diet' is better than the Western diet. This is what he says in the stomch cancer context against the Americans having much less of it, despite the Western diet:

http://www.tcolincampbell.org/courses-resources/article/stomach-cancer-in-china/browse/4/?tx_ttnews[backPid]=76&cHash=f0bc9fe243c9119db11ecfb114a0950a



So why isn't fermented food, salting, preserved vegetables, stomach bcetrial infections and low blood levels of certain antioxidant nutrents what protective against the cancers that the Americans get, per Campbell? Look at how he speculates fermentation may not be the problem, but the way in which "it is done"... There are other thins he doesn't mention, such as places like Indian being the fastest growing nation for diabetes, though they are Hindu and primarily vegetarian.

His agenda is to stain meat based upon ridiculous correlations. Yes, the Western diet is animal-based, but it's also full of heavy doses of fruits and vegetables, as well as processed foods, and lack of sleep and poor exerise and obesity overall. Chinese, Westerners and many people in general smoke as well. Th China Study doesn't control for anything, i.e. it's just a hot mess of manipulative statistical correlations.

So why isn't fermented food, salting, preserved vegetables, stomach bacterial infections and low blood levels of certain antioxidant nutrients what protective against the cancers that the Americans get, per Campbell? Look at how he speculates fermentation may not be the problem, but the way in which "it is done"

I don't understand this question. But he's saying that a higher than average number of Chinese citizens have H pylori which is a precursor to stomach cancer. He then goes on to say that a majority of them live below what we would consider poverty level and don't eve own a refrigerator. He than suggests that the preserving may be done in less than sanitary conditions.

There are other thins he doesn't mention, such as places like Indian being the fastest growing nation for diabetes, though they are Hindu and primarily vegetarian.

The study was on China. If he had another lifetime maybe he would perform a study on India. Being vegetarian doesn't guarantee health.

His agenda is to stain meat based upon ridiculous correlations. Yes, the Western diet is animal-based, but it's also full of heavy doses of fruits and vegetables, as well as processed foods, and lack of sleep and poor exerise and obesity overall. Chinese, Westerners and many people in general smoke as well. Th China Study doesn't control for anything, i.e. it's just a hot mess of manipulative statistical correlations.

Agenda? He believes that animal based products increase the risk of disease and he's spent a great deal of his life trying to prove or disprove his theory by performing studies and submitting his studies for peer review. Americans don't even eat the amount of daily fruits and vegetables that the health department recommends let alone what he does. It's a free county and I'd be the last person to tell you what to believe but your arguments don't really support your conclusion.

It was interesting to see Tony Gonzales praising him on amazon.com from his latest book called Whole.

“After reading The China Study and drastically changing my diet toward the more whole food, plant-based diet recommended by Dr. Campbell, my career numbers shot up when they were supposed to be declining. I thought to myself ‘Why doesn't everyone eat this way?!’ This new book, Whole, answers that question with great clarity. Never again be confused about diet and nutrition.”
—Tony Gonzalez, Atlanta Falcons, 16-year National Football League player, record-setting tight end

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You guys are all wrong. Nic Cage is the best actor ever!



hahaha, j/k. That guy is horrible.

He is... But


He is more "movie star" than "actor".

Ala Keanu reeves, Channing tatum(a guy with 2 girls names lol), James Franco etc

 

[Tabascocat]

We want to talk about good actors, Kevin Kline is underrated IMO.

 

[Diogenes]

We want to talk about good actors, Kevin Kline is underrated IMO.

Sophie's Choice is an excellent movie. Stellar performance by Kline.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

We want to talk about good actors, Kevin Kline is underrated IMO.

He is underrated? In his prime acting days, he wasn't.

 

[Tabascocat]

He is underrated? In his prime acting days, he wasn't.

He is and was IMO. He never had that big movie star aura and probably didn't get enough credit that was deserved. Not sure how to explain it but he wasn't a household name like Deniro, Pacino, Pitt, Jack, etc.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

He is and was IMO. He never had that big movie star aura and probably didn't get enough credit that was deserved. Not sure how to explain it but he wasn't a household name like Deniro, Pacino, Pitt, Jack, etc.

He was a household name in my family. On the tv and news I watched. You must have been in Iraq or something.

 

[joseephuss]

Good scripts often correlates with good acting. Tom Hanks has looked bad in those movies as wel.

I agree, but that still isn't about his acting abilities. I've seen many actors just sleepwalk through a role. I guess at the time they initially read a script they think it may be a good role or movie. Once they get into and see what direction it is going they may not be into anymore and just mail it in.

 

[Phoenix]

Wait, what was this thread about again?

Oh, right.

Back on topic - "State of Play" (2009) Ben Affleck, Russell Crowe, Rachel McAdams

I'll give it a 6.5 out of 10. Watched from Netflix last night.

Here's a tidbit for ya: it was filmed in the DC area, and about halfway through the movie where the setting is in an apparent open-air fish market area, hey, that place is AWESOME! It's on the Potomac / Chesapeake Bay just down the hill from where I work, and I go there usually once a week. The IMDB trivia for this movie says that it was set to be demolished...I never heard that, and I can guarantee it's still there today....here is a small part of it...


http://i46.***BLOCKED***/albums/f131/vsmith23/wharf_people2_zps11450d04.jpg

 

[khiladi]

So why isn't fermented food, salting, preserved vegetables, stomach bacterial infections and low blood levels of certain antioxidant nutrients what protective against the cancers that the Americans get, per Campbell? Look at how he speculates fermentation may not be the problem, but the way in which "it is done"

I don't understand this question. But he's saying that a higher than average number of Chinese citizens have H pylori which is a precursor to stomach cancer. He then goes on to say that a majority of them live below what we would consider poverty level and don't eve own a refrigerator. He than suggests that the preserving may be done in less than sanitary conditions.

There are other thins he doesn't mention, such as places like Indian being the fastest growing nation for diabetes, though they are Hindu and primarily vegetarian.

The study was on China. If he had another lifetime maybe he would perform a study on India. Being vegetarian doesn't guarantee health.

His agenda is to stain meat based upon ridiculous correlations. Yes, the Western diet is animal-based, but it's also full of heavy doses of fruits and vegetables, as well as processed foods, and lack of sleep and poor exerise and obesity overall. Chinese, Westerners and many people in general smoke as well. Th China Study doesn't control for anything, i.e. it's just a hot mess of manipulative statistical correlations.

Agenda? He believes that animal based products increase the risk of disease and he's spent a great deal of his life trying to prove or disprove his theory by performing studies and submitting his studies for peer review. Americans don't even eat the amount of daily fruits and vegetables that the health department recommends let alone what he does. It's a free county and I'd be the last person to tell you what to believe but your arguments don't really support your conclusion.

It was interesting to see Tony Gonzales praising him on amazon.com from his latest book called Whole.

“After reading The China Study and drastically changing my diet toward the more whole food, plant-based diet recommended by Dr. Campbell, my career numbers shot up when they were supposed to be declining. I thought to myself ‘Why doesn't everyone eat this way?!’ This new book, Whole, answers that question with great clarity. Never again be confused about diet and nutrition.”
—Tony Gonzalez, Atlanta Falcons, 16-year National Football League player, record-setting tight end

First of all, the consumption of red meat in particular in the West has gone down and it is the diet of mainly carbohydrates that have gone up.
Secondly, wha Campbell is doing is trying to correlate the incidence of stomach cancer in China withH Pylori bacteria, without even mentioning H Pylori bacetrial infection in Western individuals, which is very high. Further, 1-2 percent of patients that have H Pylori end up with cancers, so to claim it accounts for the wide difference isjust absurd.
Third, it is not just H Pylori that Campbell claims is the cause, he claims a lack of certain anti oxidants and fermented foods. So if these 3 are attributable to stomach cancer and the basis for it, then in this case his argument against the Western diet causing cancer is absurd, because the the Western diet per his own logic is protective against stomach cancer, while the Chinese diet is not. And BTW, stomach cancers is amongst the most painful forms.
Fourth, Tony Gonzalez isn't a scientist nor is was he subject to a controlled study nor does his placebo claims have any bearing on he assertion of Campbell in regrds to eating meat causing cancer. And contrary to Tony Gonzalez, pretty much every athlete on the planet that is worth a grain of salt eats meat, because it packs more nutrients per serving than a purely vegetairan serving. Michael Jordan's pre-game routing was to eat a steak, plus a potato 3 hours before game time, along with a ginger ale.
Fifth, he hasn't proven anything other than published a book that gained it's popularity on the internet. The EPIC Oxford study on the other hand, done by the Cancer Epidemiology Unit in the University of Oxford actually produced it's results in 2009 in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in the largest cancer specific epidemeiological study to date and detailed it's conclusions and overall says there is no general correlation between the two, though there are some'statisticall meaningful' variations differing depending upon the tye of cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082

The overall cancer incidence rates of both the vegetarians and the nonvegetarians in this study are low compared with national rates. Within the study, the incidence of all cancers combined was lower among vegetarians than among meat eaters, but the incidence of colorectal cancer was higher in vegetarians than in meat eaters.

The study stated that in certain cases meat eaters had less incidents of particular types of cancers while vegetarians had more. But even this study, none of it deals with randmly controlled studies.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Sophie's Choice is an excellent movie. Stellar performance by Kline.

I love you to death.

When she shot him in the back of the head... Funny stuff