Ravens tried to get Cowboys to trade down

[Sydla]

We couldn't score points last year lol I don't see a problem here. We couldn't get into the end zone to force the other teams to take chances. I'd imagine we would've had more TO and sacks if that was the case. Our defense kept us in games last year.

I'm glad we got Zeke he is a difference maker period. I'll listen to guys like Emmitt and Irvin over a blowhard like Dieon any day.

I might be wrong but I suspect the fact we struggled to score points last year wasn't really tied to who was playing TB for us.

 

[Sydla]

Oh, is that the angle you're using today? I'm sorry that pill is so bitter. Fortunately for you, the team is much more astute and made the right pick last night. So you'll get to benefit from the team's great fortune, despite your erroneous thinking and ignorant strategy.

Call it what you want, angle, whatever.

If the Cowboys were scared someone would jump to 5 and take Elliott, they misread the draft. Frankly, I think they misread the draft taking a TB at 4 to begin with.

 

[GroundZero1970]

I don't think they misread anything. We got the best back in the draft which helps us now...Ramsey wouldn't have helped us right away PLUS Spence, Ogbah and Dodd are still in play ( one of which will fall to us)...I, for one, think it was a great pick that maximizes our assets.

 

[Dhragon]

I don't think they misread anything. We got the best back in the draft which helps us now...Ramsey wouldn't have helped us right away PLUS Spence, Ogbah and Dodd are still in play ( one of which will fall to us)...I, for one, think it was a great pick that maximizes our assets.

Yeah, as long as they pick one of the great defensive players still on the board and not pick Cook or Hack there, we'll still get a first round talent type guy in the 2nd for our defense. Those po'd with the Elliott pick need to chill - we'll still get a great defensive talent to help the D.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I might be wrong but I suspect the fact we struggled to score points last year wasn't really tied to who was playing TB for us.

You're looking at this all wrong DMC had 3 TDS no one respected anything we did. We need some talent on offense. Once Dez went and Tony went we had nothing.

 

[Tristan]

Did Steven Jackson win a Super Bowl or did I miss something?

you must have missed his career, dude was awesome and one of the best players in the nfl for several good years.would have been a hell of a pick.

Oh yeah he won as many Superbowls as Dan Fouts and Dan Marino and Jim Kelly you genius you

 

[Sydla]

Yeah, as long as they pick one of the great defensive players still on the board and not pick Cook or Hack there, we'll still get a first round talent type guy in the 2nd for our defense. Those po'd with the Elliott pick need to chill - we'll still get a great defensive talent to help the D.

You just gave me the chills. Stop that. LOL.

Now, in fairness, trying to read the logic of this front office is useless because they do dumb things from time to time, I don't believe they will take Cook or Hackenberg at 34. If they wanted one of those guys, I suspect they would have still tried to move up into the back end of the first round because taking a QB in the first gives them the 5th year option on first round players. If they take Cook at 30 say, they have him under their control for 5 years. If they take him at 34, they don't.

With the belief that Romo is good for 3-4 more years, having your development QB under contract for 5 would be a big win for the franchise.

I hope my analysis is right.

 

[Sydla]

You're looking at this all wrong DMC had 3 TDS no one respected anything we did. We need some talent on offense. Once Dez went and Tony went we had nothing.

How am I looking at this wrong? We couldn't score last year because we didn't have our elite QB and one of the 5-6 best WRs in football healthy. Trying to make our lack of scoring about who was playing TB is kind of bizarre.

 

[Nexx]

for a 4th round pick not worth it

 

[CowboyStar88]

How am I looking at this wrong? We couldn't score last year because we didn't have our elite QB and one of the 5-6 best WRs in football healthy. Trying to make our lack of scoring about who was playing TB is kind of bizarre.

It's about Talent we didn't have talent once they went down. It's really not that hard to understand

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't deny he's talented, but he's still a RB, which is a position that simply doesn't warrant a premium pick.

So is that a forever doctrine? I mean is that always going to be the case. And what about special players? Should we not take them at the spot we're at because we can get a lesser player lower?

I don't think the idea that you shouldn't take a running back high in the draft should be a hard and fast rule.

If there's as close to a can't-miss player at your spot, you take him regardless where you are. Besides, the Cowboys had a trade partner in the Ravens, but the Ravens wanted Zeke. And we weren't having it.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

And? You didn't believe the team was going to take Elliott in the first place, you thought they were going to take Ramsey. So what you believe doesn't really carry a lot of weight right now. Those of you who wanted Ramsey over Elliott simply don't get it. Yes, other teams wanted Elliott that bad.

What does me preferring Ramsey over Elliott have to do with whether other teams wanted Elliott 'that bad?' I don't see a connection. We are all guessing. None of us know for sure what the other teams were thinking. Until we some leaked draft boards, rumors, or some info from the teams.

p.s. To the best of my knowledge, I never thought what I believe 'did carry a lot of weight' with anyone.

 

[tyke1doe]

If Elliott is the second coming of AP then we'll all look back at this discussion and laugh. If he's JAG then we wasted a premium pick. Only time will tell. This season he rushes for 1500 yards and 15 tds, I think it was worth the pick. We learned the hard way this past season that we can't just plug anybody at RB and expect All Pro play.

Even if he busts, you can rue what might have been. You simply proceed based on the evidence you have at the time. Life is full of mistakes, but as long as you're living and in the game, there's always the next time, the next day for you to do better.

 

[tyke1doe]

Last three first rounders drafted by Baltimore:

Matt Elam
CJ Mosley
Breshard Perriman

Not excellent anymore.

First, excellence is measured over time.

Second, with respect to the players you cited Matt Elam has been injured, CJ Mosley made the Pro Bowl his first year and the jury is still out on Perriman, who was a rookie last year.

Even so, are you disputing Ezekiel Elliott's talent? The point of my post was that even the Ravens recognized the talent Zeke possesses. And based on their overall ability to spot talent, that says something about the Cowboys' selection.

 

[Sydla]

First, excellence is measured over time.

Second, with respect to the players you cited Matt Elam has been injured, CJ Mosley made the Pro Bowl his first year and the jury is still out on Perriman, who was a rookie last year.

Even so, are you disputing Ezekiel Elliott's talent? The point of my post was that even the Ravens recognized the talent Zeke possesses. And based on their overall ability to spot talent, that says something about the Cowboys' selection.

Except it's not fact that the Ravens wants to move up for Elliott. Just as many outlets are reporting that the Ravens wanted Ramsey at 4. If that's true, there goes that argument.

 

[Sydla]

It's about Talent we didn't have talent once they went down. It's really not that hard to understand

Put Elliott on the 2015 team and they still lose a ton of games with no Romo and Bryant.

That's the point. We couldn't score points last year because we were missing the most important player on the entire Cowboys team. Holy hell, man.

 

[tyke1doe]

Except it's not fact that the Ravens wants to move up for Elliott. Just as many outlets are reporting that the Ravens wanted Ramsey at 4. If that's true, there goes that argument.

IF being the operative word.

As I said in a previous post, Jerry Jones is a PRIMARY source. Reporters are SECONDARY sources.

Unless there's a motive to question the source or if the motives cancel each other out (both Jerry and the Ravens trying to save face, though I don't see why Jerry would lie about this because the Cowboys ultimately got their man), go with the primary source.

 

[aikemirv]

But no one trades up for Ezekiel Elliott

Well, we know that everyone on this board knows more than the Dallas scouts and front office anyway!

 

[cowboys2233]

What does me preferring Ramsey over Elliott have to do with whether other teams wanted Elliott 'that bad?' I don't see a connection. We are all guessing. None of us know for sure what the other teams were thinking. Until we some leaked draft boards, rumors, or some info from the teams.

p.s. To the best of my knowledge, I never thought what I believe 'did carry a lot of weight' with anyone.

Sorry, I'm all fired up over the Elliott pick, just a great move by the team. Felt like jabbing back at some of the folks who a) were sure Ramsey was the pick and b) were sure that Ramsey was the better pick. Wrong on both counts, Elliott was the best possible pick for this team for so many reasons and it really wasn't close. Bosa was the closest, but Ramsey? Yuck.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If he doesn't get hurt, he's offensive rookie of year and goes to the pro bowl. Romo should throw the ball about 15 times a game. This should be shades of the 1990's Cowboys.

Troy Aikman played in 165 regular season games and had 4715 attempts or an average of 28.5 per game.