Re-evaluating Jimmy Johnson

[GINeric]

They almost pulled off the 3peat with Switzer, who was barely acting as a coach, then won the next one with him, still barely acting as a coach. I think it's reasonable to believe that if Jimmy had wanted to stay, they would've won 4 in a row.

I noticed you kept saying "barely acting as coaching"..... I assume you worked for the Cowboys organization in the mid 90s and was around everyday for training camps, practices, film studies, games, bus and plane rides.... is this correct???

Or is this something you just heard somewhere....

 

[Runwildboys]

Im saying it not ,

i look around the NFL and see many examples on why that's maybe plausible but no way expected nor could have ended up that way.. believe what you want its an opinion and i doubt that scenario happens.

Well, the scenario never did happen, so it's moot, at best. This thread is just here for the purpose of getting people's opinions of what might have happened. Considering the fact that they won 3 out of 4, the latter 2 being with a less involved coach, I don't think it's a stretch to believe 4 out of 4 was very possible.

 

[Diehardblues]

I noticed you kept saying "barely acting as coaching"..... I assume you worked for the Cowboys organization in the mid 90s and was around everyday for training camps, practices, film studies, games, bus and plane rides.... is this correct???

Or is this something you just heard somewhere....

If you’d of followed the beat writers and local coverage along with all of the players accounts you might have a better sense . In many ways it was like being there.

 

[Runwildboys]

I noticed you kept saying "barely acting as coaching"..... I assume you worked for the Cowboys organization in the mid 90s and was around everyday for training camps, practices, film studies, games, bus and plane rides.... is this correct???

Or is this something you just heard somewhere....

Have you watched Troy Aikman: A Football Life?

 

[blueblood70]

Well, the scenario never did happen, so it's moot, at best. This thread is just here for the purpose of getting people's opinions of what might have happened. Considering the fact that they won 3 out of 4, the latter 2 being with a less involved coach, I don't think it's a stretch to believe 4 out of 4 was very possible.

again i say no wouldn't have changed a thong,,

its why players and teams like Farve/rogers and the packers only won one SB, why Wilson and that seatle team with the LOB and great coaching won ONE, chiefs looked poised for run got one..eagles while not great example win one in 17 fire their coached and rebuild in 3 years. the opnly team that did this recently was the Pats,, its tough to go on run like that..

 

[Runwildboys]

again i say no wouldn't have changed a thong,,

its why players and teams like Farve/rogers and the packers only won one SB, why Wilson and that seatle team with the LOB and great coaching won ONE, chiefs looked poised for run got one..eagles while not great example win one in 17 fire their coached and rebuild in 3 years. the opnly team that did this recently was the Pats,, its tough to go on run like that..

It definitely is tough, but it's tougher now than it was then, and they had the players to do it, which is evident since they missed one, then got it the next year. I'm not saying it's "likely", but it is very possible they would've gotten 4 in a row.

 

[Captain-Crash]

the salary cap started in 94 and that was the end. no more buying super bowls. lol

 

[Diehardblues]

again i say no wouldn't have changed a thong,,

its why players and teams like Farve/rogers and the packers only won one SB, why Wilson and that seatle team with the LOB and great coaching won ONE, chiefs looked poised for run got one..eagles while not great example win one in 17 fire their coached and rebuild in 3 years. the opnly team that did this recently was the Pats,, its tough to go on run like that..

Normally I’d agree especially in Cap era. But that Cowboys team was far and away the most talented Cowboys team ever assembled. And arguably one of if not the best in NFL history .

While it was the first to win 3 out of 4 Super Bowls it was closer than anyone has ever been to winning 4 in a row. Which would have been in a place all on its own .

This was arguably one of the greatest teams in NFL history up there with the 60’s Packers which won 5 NFL titles , the 70’s Steelers and 80’s 49ers which both won 4 Super Bowls.

 

[Runwildboys]

the salary cap started in 94 and that was the end. no more buying super bowls. lol

Agreed, but they already had all the players necessary to win 3 and 4 in a row.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

believing and knowing are two very different things what happened to the chiefs the last 2 years virtually the same team no more SB wins..hmm and that with Brady leaving fhe AFC..are they relative yes, contenders ,yes but SB winners, NOPE..

please dont speculate i say it most likely changed nothing.

You have a point that there's no way to know for sure, but I'm not alone. I've talked with a lot of other Cowboy fans who think we would have won 4 in a row with Jimmy. That '94 NFC Championship is a game we should have won. We had the best team, but because of poor discipline, we spotted the 49ers 21 points. You don't gift a team like that 21 points and win usually. I think that Jimmy would had the team way more disciplined.

There's nothing wrong with speculation when you don't know for certain. I think there would have been no World War II if Franz von Papen had been made Chancellor instead of Hitler. Do I know that for certain? No, but many historians also believe that.

I think it's obvious that Jimmy was a better coach than Switzer. It's not stupid to think he would have done better, but your point is well taken that we don't know for sure. Maybe Jimmy would have screwed it up, but I'd doubt it.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Agreed, but they already had all the players necessary to win 3 and 4 in a row.

that's why jimmy couldn't buy a super bowl in Miami. shrugs

 

[blueblood70]

You have a point that there's no way to know for sure, but I'm not alone. I've talked with a lot of other Cowboy fans who think we would have won 4 in a row with Jimmy. That '94 NFC Championship is a game we should have won. We had the best team, but because of poor discipline, we spotted the 49ers 21 points. You don't gift a team like that 21 points and win usually. I think that Jimmy would had the team way more disciplined.

There's nothing wrong with speculation when you don't know for certain. I think there would have been no World War II if Franz von Papen had been made Chancellor instead of Hitler. Do I know that for certain? No, but many historians also believe that.

I think it's obvious that Jimmy was a better coach than Switzer. It's not stupid to think he would have done better, but your point is well taken that we don't know for sure. Maybe Jimmy would have screwed it up, but I'd doubt it.

dont care i still say history happened that way and nothing would have changed it..belive what you like, doesn't make it true..no matter how many fans you talked too.

 

[Runwildboys]

dont care i still say history happened that way and nothing would have changed it..belive what you like, doesn't make it true..no matter how many fans you talked too.

That's the thing about speculative opinions: Your believing what you do doesn't make it true either.

Everyone has their opinions, based on what they feel might have changed the outcome. None of it matters, because we can't see the alternate universe in which it would've played out. This is just for fun.

 

[blueblood70]

That's the thing about speculative opinions: Your believing what you do doesn't make it true either.

Everyone has their opinions, based on what they feel might have changed the outcome. None of it matters, because we can't see the alternate universe in which it would've played out. This is just for fun.

no the truth is facts
we won 3 out of four,,thats the cold hard facts

NOTHING else matters,., the OP, i agree Mosty likely nothing changes if JJ stayed 2 more years..

OK lets say he stays i say Troy blows a knee game 2 and we go 6-10...next hypothetical oh wait troys ok, 22 goes down game 3 we go 6-10..no way to change history without then changing it ALL you can NOT just plug back in Jimmy..sorry that not how hypothetical what if's happen.

even theorist say if time travel were possible and you try and change history, IF you change one thing like forgetting an umbrella or leaving a light on that wasn't part of the past, it changes the entire future.

NOW what??? Next debate.

 

[phildadon86]

Jimmy was great, but he couldn't have done what he did without Jerry....he wanted the praise, but the guy that signed his checks did too.....he didn't know his place and went on to crash and burn with the dolphins. His college ways would not have been effective much longer. Coaching winners, heroes and with the salary cap....he did the right thing and left when he did.
Barry did a great job....it's not easy coaching a great team with all of those inflated egos.

Inflated egos? Whoever do you mean? Lol

 

[Runwildboys]

no the truth is facts
we won 3 out of four,,thats the cold hard facts

NOTHING else matters,., the OP, i agree Mosty likely nothing changes if JJ stayed 2 more years..

OK lets say he stays i say Troy blows a knee game 2 and we go 6-10...next hypothetical oh wait troys ok, 22 goes down game 3 we go 6-10..no way to change history without then changing it ALL you can NOT just plug back in Jimmy..sorry that not how hypothetical what if's happen.

even theorist say if time travel were possible and you try and change history, IF you change one thing like forgetting an umbrella or leaving a light on that wasn't part of the past, it changes the entire future.

NOW what??? Next debate.

We're not talking about time travel, and even if we were, time travel "theorists" have absolutely no way of knowing what would happen, any more than any of us. There's zero evidence to support the notion that time would correct itself. Hell, there's more evidence to support the concept that we're all living in a simulation than there is to support that notion.

We're simply talking about what might have happened.

 

[erod]

Aikman has stated if Jimmy stayed he thought 4 or 5 SB wins could have been possible.

But sure Jimmy could have stopped them from committing 3 turnovers in the first quarter against the 49ers.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

They almost pulled off the 3peat with Switzer, who was barely acting as a coach, then won the next one with him, still barely acting as a coach. I think it's reasonable to believe that if Jimmy had wanted to stay, they would've won 4 in a row.

That's just it, I'm not sure Jimmy still wanted to coach ...... the Cowboys.

 

[blueblood70]

We're not talking about time travel, and even if we were, time travel "theorists" have absolutely no way of knowing what would happen, any more than any of us. There's zero evidence to support the notion that time would correct itself. Hell, there's more evidence to support the concept that we're all living in a simulation than there is to support that notion.

We're simply talking about what might have happened.

yes, YOU ARE....,. hypotheticals cant happen without all scenarios changed to fit whatever narrative you are pushing., if you do not comprehend that i cant help you.. You are playing the what if game and sorry im tired of this fake debate, moved on from Jimmy a Long long time ago..tiome to out it to bed.. Jerry, please put this guy in the ROH. Shut fans up.

 

[Runwildboys]

yes, YOU ARE....,. hypotheticals cant happen without all scenarios changed to fit whatever narrative you are pushing., if you do not comprehend that i cant help you.. You are playing the what if game and sorry im tired of this fake debate, moved on from Jimmy a Long long time ago..tiome to out it to bed.. Jerry, please put this guy in the ROH. Shut fans up.

Always love the "If you do don't understand, I can't help you" way of trying to seem superior in knowledge. "We don't agree, so you're stupid, even though I can't prove anything I'm saying."