Really doesn't it come down to Romo?

[CATCH17]

Catch let's not jump the shark. He didn't get overpaid he got market value and if we hadn't of got it to him somebody else would've. Again I always ask three things about Romo.

Who else you got?
How do you justify starting over at the most important position to the other players?
Is his career written yet?

So he didn't light it up last week and missed a play. He could just as easily light it up this week and make a lot of plays.

I know he could. Romo is a good player.

I just don't feel he can carry the whole team and poor coaching staff to the Superbowl.

We needed more pieces and he got paid like a Superbowl MVP after he just ended our season with a rookie mistake.

 

[Proximo]

Lots of nonsense in this thread.

Romo is declining rapidly? Please.

Romo has played like crap so far? Wow.

We're 2 games in people. Romo is still Romo. Week 1 they obviously had a specific gameplan to attack the weakness of the Giant's defense and take advantage of short passes that they knew would be available. Week 2 would've been a W for Dallas if it wasn't for 2 fumbles, a (rare) Dez drop and a couple poor calls by the refs.

Let's take it easy and at least watch a substantial portion of the season play out before we start jumping to conclusions.

I can't imagine what kind of threads would be cluttering this place up if Romo pulled an Eli and threw 7 pics in the 1st 2 games of the season...

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Yep Romo is still Romo. Good one week, bad the next.

 

[KJJ]

Indy hasn't missed a beat with Andrew Luck at the helm, really not much of a drop off from when manning was there (record wise). As for Denver, they won more playoff games with Tebow then they did with Peyton, and that team is STACKED all around. He SHOULD be able to win with that Bronco's team, give Brees, Brady, or Rodgers a team like that and it's a lock.

Also Manning shouldn't get a pass either. He's always been known to struggle when it counts just like Romo, and Manning didn't even play that good during his superbowl win, his DEFENSE won that game. Imagine that, a defense coming up big when a QB doesn't carry them, sure as heck would never happen in Dallas.

Andrew Luck is a special player which is why Indy made the decision to let Peyton go and use the #1 overall pick on him. He turned a 2-14 Colts team into an 11-5 playoff team in only one season. Indy still has a long way to go to accomplish with Luck what they did with Manning. As for Denver they were a 4-12 team in 2010 and an 8-8 team in 2011. They looked STACKED once Manning showed up and turned Decker (who the heck was he?) and Thomas into 1000 yard receivers. Add Welker to the mix and Denver looks like a completely different team than they did 2 years ago. Until Manning arrived Denver hadn't had a winning season since 2006.

Tebow inspired the Broncos in 2011 with his unorthodox style and intangibles that caught some teams off guard. Denver was winning games by running the ball and playing great defense but still only managed 8 wins. Tebow is one of those players that has the ability to raise the level of play of the players around him. Denver didn't score many points in 2011 because they had to commit to the run due to Tebow not being an accurate passer and it eventually caught up with them in the playoffs vs NE. Although Denver won a playoff game with Tebow it was a fluke win over a declining Steelers team. Denver knew Tebow time was over the following week when the Broncos got pasted by NE. Decker and Thomas combined for only 1163 yards and 12 TD's in 2011 with Orton and Tebow compared to 2498 yards and 23 TD's with Manning in 2012.

Peyton Manning is not a good big game QB his 9-11 playoff record is proof of that but due to the fact he's won a championship and has been so terrific during the regular season he does get a pass for some of his ill-timed mistakes in games when it really counted. Manning didn't play good during the postseason when he won his first SB but he got the win. I'm not a Peyton Manning fan due to his postseason performances but he's arguably the greatest regular season QB in history and that puts a big skin on his wall. He's set and tied some regular season NFL records. He's had some incredible regular season performances that put him high on the list of all-time QB's. His leadership ability is leaps and bounds ahead of Romo who's leadership is still in question.

 

[dstovall5]

Yeah, you're right, Manning sucks just like Romo sucks. What was he thinking saying Manning, Brees, and Rodgers were great. They are all on the same level with Romo. No chance any of those bums make their teams better or will get in the Hall one day.

First off, you're a moron if you think Romo sucks, that shows how much you really know about football. Secondly, no one has said Manning sucks, so keep grasping at straws dude, because you're obviously clueless or you're just purposely trying to twist words.

Also, it's not Romo's fault our crappy management has wasted his years here, it's really pathetic what this organization has put around him throughout his tenure here.

 

[Tabascocat]

I think Romo is just over thinking things, playing not to turn the ball over and extra conservative(maybe too much pressure from our GM and HC?). This coupled with a chest injury. I also don't think it is good having two different offensive coaches talking in each ear. I am not under the illusion that Garrett has minimal input. Too many chiefs there.

I believe he turns it around if the coaching staff allows it, but he might be too hand-cuffed to do his thing. I wish it were as simple as Romo has not got in the groove yet but there are many other influencing factors in play.

Is Romo good enough to lead this team to a SB? Yes
Is he good enough with the current offensive philosophy? Probably not

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I can't imagine what kind of threads would be cluttering this place up if Romo pulled an Eli and threw 7 pics in the 1st 2 games of the season...

Romo haters adapt like no other species ever. Unfortunately, Romo and Jerry have given Romo haters a new angle into Romo hating: Romo the offensive coordinator. Mark my words, this season Romo will have some otherworldly performance in a close loss and with nothing tangible to latch onto they will claim that he didn't audible Larry Allen to jog in from the sideline or some other imperceptible offense.

 

[SWG9]

Lots of nonsense in this thread.

Romo is declining rapidly? Please.

Romo has played like crap so far? Wow.

We're 2 games in people. Romo is still Romo. Week 1 they obviously had a specific gameplan to attack the weakness of the Giant's defense and take advantage of short passes that they knew would be available. Week 2 would've been a W for Dallas if it wasn't for 2 fumbles, a (rare) Dez drop and a couple poor calls by the refs.

Let's take it easy and at least watch a substantial portion of the season play out before we start jumping to conclusions.

I can't imagine what kind of threads would be cluttering this place up if Romo pulled an Eli and threw 7 pics in the 1st 2 games of the season...

Hate to break it to you, but the guy is declining, just everyone else starts to in their mid 30's.

Yet another reason why that contract extension was such a terrible idea.

To the OP's point, yes, if you are paying Romo 100 million dollars to be the face of your franchise and the leader of your team, it is completely fair to expect more for him than what you expect from Hanna or Escobar or some of these other guys that are getting ripped to shreds....

 

[SWG9]

I think Romo is just over thinking things, playing not to turn the ball over and extra conservative(maybe too much pressure from our GM and HC?). This coupled with a chest injury. I also don't think it is good having two different offensive coaches talking in each ear. I am not under the illusion that Garrett has minimal input. Too many chiefs there.

I believe he turns it around if the coaching staff allows it, but he might be too hand-cuffed to do his thing. I wish it were as simple as Romo has not got in the groove yet but there are many other influencing factors in play.

Is Romo good enough to lead this team to a SB? Yes
Is he good enough with the current offensive philosophy? Probably not

I totally disagree. To me, the problem is that he isn't handcuffed enough. AFAIK, he's still encouraged to audible whenever he wants to based on what the defence is showing, which sounds good until you realize that it's the reason why we wind up 12 total rushing attempt on the road in a one point game.

I'd greatly curtail the extent to which he audibles and consider taking it away for him altogether.

 

[KJJ]

Also, it's not Romo's fault our crappy management has wasted his years here, it's really pathetic what this organization has put around him throughout his tenure here.

What got Romo off to a great start in his career was being groomed by a future HOF HC who had 2 SB rings and another coach Sean Payton who went on to win a SB as a HC. It's been the HC's he's been stuck with since Parcells and Payton left that's been one of Romo's problems. The Cowboys have been a poorly organized team for years due to Jerry pulling all the strings and undermining his HC's. Romo has had the talent around him to win a championship but the team has lacked proper coaching.

He's had a future HOF TE ever since he took over as QB and has had pro bowl WR's. In 06 he had two 1000 yard receivers and a 1000 yard rusher our rushing game produced 21 TD's that season. TO and Terry Glenn combined for 19 TD's in 06. The team had 13 pro bowlers in 2007 but some FANS claim Romo has never had the talent around him to win. Put a good coaching staff around him and he might have a chance to win.

 

[Frosty]

Hate to break it to you, but the guy is declining, just everyone else starts to in their mid 30's.

Yet another reason why that contract extension was such a terrible idea.

To the OP's point, yes, if you are paying Romo 100 million dollars to be the face of your franchise and the leader of your team, it is completely fair to expect more for him than what you expect from Hanna or Escobar or some of these other guys that are getting ripped to shreds....

Talking Cowboys really had some hard questions about this offense this week, really worth listen to IMO....It was all about the lack of offense.. After listening to it, I see the problems as the combination of Jason Garrett and Tony Romo........Garretts poor playbooks and poor offensive game plans with Romo's poor QB decisions ....... Tony Romo has to much on his plate, to much to think about and OVER thinking things instead of just going out there and playing football...For heaven sake, you have DEZ Bryant on this team why are they not throwing more to DEZ is beyond me. Make them stop DEZ first then adjust..... Troy to Irvin...was a no brainer....but for some reason Garrett and Romo cant figure that out...

Same problems just a new year..... The offensive game plans suck....

 

[dstovall5]

As for Denver they were a 4-12 team in 2010 and an 8-8 team in 2011. They looked STACKED once Manning showed up and turned Decker (who the heck was he?) and Thomas into 1000 yard receivers. Add Welker to the mix and Denver looks like a completely different team than they were 2 years ago. Until Manning arrived Denver hadn't had a winning season since 2006. Tebow inspired the Broncos in 2011 with his unorthodox style and intangibles that caught some teams off guard.]

They looked STACKED because they had an awesome defense that helped carry one of the worst QBs into the playoffs. Heck, Tim freaking Tebow even went 7-4 with that same STACKED team! Now with Peyton Manning there and few other new pieces, that team is even more STACKED. Inexcusable if Manning can't lead them to a superbowl appearance at least. As for his WRs, Peyton should make them look better then one of the worst QBs in the NFL did. A good QB will always make his WRs look better then they really are.

Denver was winning games by running the ball and playing great defense but still only managed 8 wins. Tebow is one of those players that has the ability to raise the level of play of the players around him. Denver didn't score many points in 2011 because they had to commit to the run due to Tebow not being an accurate passer and it eventually caught up with them in the playoffs vs NE. Although Denver won a playoff game with Tebow it was a fluke win over a declining Steelers team. Denver knew Tebow time was over the following week when the Broncos got pasted by NE.

The defense also wasn't playing as good at the beginning of the season, and since that's what they relied on they lost more games then they won early on. As the defense picked up momentum during the season they started to win a lot more games, that team would only go as far as that defense took them. And yes, the running game did help them out tremendously, especially when you have a QB who couldn't even complete more then 10 passes.

Peyton Manning is not a good big game QB his 9-11 playoff record is proof of that but due to the fact he's won a championship and has been so terrific during the regular season he does get a pass for some of his ill-timed mistakes in games when it really counted.

The funny thing is he actually didn't win that championship, he didn't have a good game in that Super Bowl, but his team stepped up for him. That'd be like us making it to the Super Bowl and Romo having a bad game, but we still win. Then people would say well he finally got over that hump, but did he really? His TEAM got over that hump, not him, we'll that's how I view it.

I'm not a Peyton Manning fan due to his postseason performances but he's arguably the greatest regular season QB in history and that puts a big skin on his wall. He's set and tied some regular season NFL records. He's had some incredible regular season performances that put him high on the list of all-time QB's.

Definitely, i don't see how anyone can debate his regular season performance, he has been outstanding through week 1 through 17.

His leadership ability is leaps and bounds ahead of Romo who's leadership is still in question.

Only to those with blinders on. He may not give you the Ray Lew rah rah speech where people don't even know what the heck he's saying, but his toughness does rub off on other guys. Romo leads by example and that's the best type of leadership you can have. And here's proof about what I said on Romo, it's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of his teammates. - http://fansided.com/2013/09/12/morris-claiborne-says-tony-romos-toughness-rubs/

 

[Proximo]

Romo haters adapt like no other species ever. Unfortunately, Romo and Jerry have given Romo haters a new angle into Romo hating: Romo the offensive coordinator. Mark my words, this season Romo will have some otherworldly performance in a close loss and with nothing tangible to latch onto they will claim that he didn't audible Larry Allen to jog in from the sideline or some other imperceptible offense.

This is a big part of it. Romo is such a polarizing figure amongst Cowboys fans (and football fans in general) that it's difficult to engage in an objective, logical discussion about him or his play with most fans.

If you're a Romo hater, and you feel like dogging him, you can complain about pretty much anything he does and no matter how ridiculous the criticism is you'll find other haters to back you up.

He's played fine the 1st two games and people are already saying he's played like crap and is rapidly declining, etc etc. It's a little much.

 

[slomoxn]

Simple solution. Take Romo out, put in another QB and is the offense better? Another QB would have to deal with the same Oline, RBs and playcalling?

But reading this article Jay Cutler made me wonder, *IF* there is improvement in the Oline this season, could Romo be going throught the same adjustments? I know at least a couple of folks pointed out how in pre-season a few plays where Romo seemed to react to pressure that wasn't there. I do recall at least a couple of plays where he could have stepped up into a decent pocket but didn't...

From the article, "“The hardest thing right now is stepping in the pocket and not seeing ghosts because these guys are doing such a fabulous job protecting,” Cutler said on his weekly radio show on ESPN 1000."

The rest of the article: http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4685975/cutler-no-longer-seeing-ghosts

That makes sense... I could see this being part of Romo's problem right now, outside of not really having a pre-season. Hope he gets it together soon though.

 

[Tabascocat]

I totally disagree. To me, the problem is that he isn't handcuffed enough. AFAIK, he's still encouraged to audible whenever he wants to based on what the defence is showing, which sounds good until you realize that it's the reason why we wind up 12 total rushing attempt on the road in a one point game.

I'd greatly curtail the extent to which he audibles and consider taking it away for him altogether.

Agree, I mean he is hand-cuffed as in what his responsibilities are, i.e. calling/audibling conservative plays. He doesn't have the freedom to wing it and do what he does best. I also agree he has too much control at the LOS, but I see those as two different areas.

 

[dstovall5]

What got Romo off to a great start in his career was being groomed by a future HOF HC who had 2 SB rings and another coach Sean Payton who went on to win a SB as a HC. It's been the HC's he's been stuck with since Parcells and Payton left that's been one of Romo's problems. The Cowboys have been a poorly organized team for years due to Jerry pulling all the strings and undermining his HC's. Romo has had the talent around him to win a championship but the team has lacked proper coaching.

He's had a future HOF TE ever since he took over as QB and has had pro bowl WR's. In 06 he had two 1000 yard receivers and a 1000 yard rusher our rushing game produced 21 TD's that season. TO and Terry Glenn combined for 19 TD's in 06. The team had 13 pro bowlers in 2007 but some FANS claim Romo has never had the talent around him to win. Put a good coaching staff around him and he might have a chance to win.

And I'm sure you've noticed that the only thing that has kept us hope is our passing game. Romo HAS had weapons his entire time here, and he has always put them to good use. I'm talking about the other areas where we have been lacking in. I don't think Romo is a good enough QB to win with just his passing offense alone, he either needs a solid running game, or a defense that can create turn overs. And yes, of course a good coaching staff around him would do wonders. I'm afraid it might be too late to get those other pieces around him, though I guess time will tell. The clock is ticking though, tick, tock ...

 

[Proximo]

Hate to break it to you, but the guy is declining, just everyone else starts to in their mid 30's.

Yet another reason why that contract extension was such a terrible idea.

To the OP's point, yes, if you are paying Romo 100 million dollars to be the face of your franchise and the leader of your team, it is completely fair to expect more for him than what you expect from Hanna or Escobar or some of these other guys that are getting ripped to shreds....

Plenty of QB's have played well enough throughout their mid-30's to achieve high levels of success and even win the Superbowl.

Unless you can see the future you have no idea if that contract extension was a "terrible idea" or not. None of us has any clue after 2 games what this season will bring.

And I'm pretty sure no one on this team gets "ripped to shreds" more than Romo.

 

[KJJ]

They looked STACKED because they had an awesome defense that helped carry one of the worst QBs into the playoffs.

That awesome defense you're referring to ranked 20th in 2011 and gave up over 40 points 4 times during the regular season and once in the playoffs. My gosh Denver gave up 49 points to GB and 2 weeks later gave up 45 to Detroit. They gave up back to back 40 point games in weeks 15 and 16 to NE AND Buffalo and you call that an "awesome" defense?

Only to those with blinders on. He may not give you the Ray Lew rah rah speech where people don't even know what the heck he's saying, but his toughness does rub off on other guys. Romo leads by example and that's the best type of leadership you can have. And here's proof about what I said on Romo, it's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of his teammates. - http://fansided.com/2013/09/12/morris-claiborne-says-tony-romos-toughness-rubs/

Of course his "teammates" are going to support him what do you expect them to say? For as many mistakes as he's made in crunch games I doubt everyone of his teammates believe he can get it done. They certainly won't admit it but other players such as Ahmad Bradshaw said he didn't think the team believes in him. Bradshaw said what many others think including myself. Romo is a talented QB but it's hard to believe in him with all the poor decisions he makes in critical situations. He has yet to show he can handle do or die pressure.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/11/ahmad-bradshaw-takes-a-shot-at-cowboys-tony-romo/

 

[links18]

Romo has been pilloried for turning the ball over so now he is being super cautious with it. You can't have it both ways. You want him to take chances? Deal with the turnovers. You want him to protect the ball? Well, get ready for more FGs.

 

[Gameover]

If Romo misses a game this season, you guys are gonna be shocked at how much better we are w/o him.

Romo is flat out terrible.His expiration date has passed. You don't commit longterm to an undrafted free agent QB. Their shelf life is short. Look at their history.

Maddox
Delhomme
Bulger
Great Warner
so on...