RECAP: Czarkecki on GAC *Merge*

[WoodysGirl]

the only people who've been sucked are the TO-homers who think that there's no way we can win without him.

again, Czarnecki isnt a hack, he has tremendous credibility...

Czar isn't a hack, but I'd love to see something like this reported elsewhere to validate the claim.

You can blame T.O. for alot of things, but this is the first he's ever been accused of in all his stops.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I'm not "saying" anything. I posted an article that a highly reputable football insider put out there. He is CLEARLY insinuating that TO is in the middle of this, he isnt a loser and isnt a hack. He has a tremendous rep in the field. He's never been one of those axe to grind sports people.

Dont want to believe it or think there's no truth to it, fine. So be it. Duly noted.

But I wouldnt be surprised if there is alot of truth to it either.

Either way, I'm sick of his act. I hope he's cut and firmly believe if he is, the team will be better off because of it.

OK. Tell ya what. Just post the part of the article that intimates that TO said he was racist. Just that part. Where he maybe even slightly, on the DL may have at some point maybe even sneezed and it sounded like he said something that even rhymed with "Garrett is a racist".

Can you do that much?

 

[dbair1967]

OK. Tell ya what. Just post the part of the article that intimates that TO said he was racist. Just that part. Where he maybe even slightly, on the DL may have at some point maybe even sneezed and it sounded like he said something that even rhymed with "Garrett is a racist".

Can you do that much?

ok...clearly I dont know how to get the "main idea" of an article at all. What the hell was I thinking?

I guess if 100 people read that and 90 or more of them came to the same conclusion, the 90 or so are confused.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Wait, wait, wait. We've tried three years with and haven't won anything. The locker room is devided and he's in the middle of it so we should cut him.

OK, I'll play.

We've tried it for three years with Romo and haven't won anything.
The locker room is divided and he's in the middle of it.
We should cut him.

We've tried it for 5 years with Witten and haven't won anything..
The locker room is divided and he is in the middle of it.
We should cut him.

Hey look everybody! We have no team.

:bang2:

The obvious and important difference is that neither Romo nor Witten have a track record of having done the same thing at two other stops.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

ok...clearly I dont know how to get the "main idea" of an article at all. What the hell was I thinking?

I guess if 100 people read that and 90 or more of them came to the same conclusion, the 90 or so are confused.

I don't think 90% of the people reading that article would make the illogical jump from "There is a perception that Garrett can't coach black players" To To called Garrett a "racist."

If they did, then those people fell out of a stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

The obvious and important difference is that neither Romo nor Witten have a track record of having done the same thing at two other stops.

OK.

Show me where T.O. in ANY OTHER stop has called a coach a racist or even brought the subject of racism up.

 

[WoodysGirl]

FWIW, I emailed a couple beat writers. Only one response so far is that it's a joke.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If you heard the interview on the radio, the implication Czar was making was that TO was at least part of the source of this. Maybe he didn't come out and say it, but that was his implication.

Now maybe that was based on something as flimsy as TO causing problems at other stops... I don't know. He never gave a source and no, he never explicitly said that TO said it. But that is what Czar was getting at.

I'd think people should be mad at him if they want to... Not posters who are discussing it.

 

[dbair1967]

FWIW, I emailed a couple beat writers. Only one response so far is that it's a joke.

it may well be...who knows I guess

it might depend who you ask...

 

[Cajuncowboy]

If you heard the interview on the radio, the implication Czar was making was that TO was at least part of the source of this. Maybe he didn't come out and say it, but that was his implication.

Now maybe that was based on something as flimsy as TO causing problems at other stops... I don't know. He never gave a source and no, he never explicitly said that TO said it. But that is what Czar was getting at.

I'd think people should be mad at him if they want to... Not posters who are discussing it.

Thanks.
So there is no proof to this and you are getting what someone was "trying" to say without saying it.

I would like to hear the interview. Is there a link to that here on the zone?

 

[WoodysGirl]

it may well be...who knows I guess

it might depend who you ask...

Yeah, I agree.

I emailed JJT, Archer, Hill, and JFE, so who knows what comes out of this.

BTW, I'm not knocking you for the post, especially since I posted the original thread in the Daily Zone.

I'd really like some confirmation or something from a writer closer to the team than Czar.

 

[dbair1967]

Thanks.
So there is no proof to this and you are getting what someone was "trying" to say without saying it.

I would like to hear the interview. Is there a link to that here on the zone?

PM DC, he might have it and might even have posted it.

 

[Idgit]

There's no reason to believe TO is whispering anything about racism in the Cowboys locker room. But this is exactly the kind of nonsense that circulates when a team gets divided and fingers are pointing. There's not enough data available for us to decide how much of this situation TO created, but it's not really a stretch to say that getting rid of him is one step in fixing these division problems. Both sides in this argument might even be right: that TO's an innocent victim and these troubles follow him wherever he goes. It doesn't much matter what the cause is if the solution requires cutting the guy.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

PM DC, he might have it and might even have posted it.

Thanks, Will do.

And to be clear. If T.O. did say this and is causing this, then I would be in favor of cutting him. I have no tolerance for this kind of thing.

But I want to see some kind of proof because for the last three years, there has been nothing to suggest he would do this. Even in his previous places, he hasn't done this.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

OK.

Show me where T.O. in ANY OTHER stop has called a coach a racist or even brought the subject of racism up.

Go back to the post of yours I referenced, sir. I wasn't talking about race. The post referred to locker room divisiveness.

 

[links18]

It doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that the team is divided. Romo and Witten are isolated and guys like Crayton, RW11 and Newman are carrying water for TO. Its not a huge leap for people to conclude from this situation that Garrett can't coach black players. Doesn't make it true, but it is not difficult to follow the chain of events: The Cowboys are divided: one side is made up of black players, the other is composed of the 2 white skill players on offense. A St. Louis beat writer concludes from this that Garrett can't coach black players, publishes an article, the article is misinterpreted by fans, St. Louis management decides not to risk it, pulls the plug on Garrett and hires Spagnulo instead. The controversy in Dallas cost Garrett a job. Might not be what happened, but it is not a huge leap to go there. TO didn't have to call Garrett a racist for the signals to be sent and actions be taken that cost Garrett a job. One thing is for sure, Jerry Jones still has his head buried in the sand.....

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Go back to the post of yours I referenced, sir. I wasn't talking about race. The post referred to locker room divisiveness.

We were talking about a specific issue. Not the man's history with other teams. That's why I thought you were saying he did THIS before.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

We were talking about a specific issue. Not the man's history with other teams. That's why I thought you were saying he did THIS before.

No. I don't know of him having done anything of the sort. And I don't know of him having done anything of the sort this time. But he has clearly been a part of two other divided locker rooms. That's the limit of my reference.

 

[ethiostar]

This TO fella is more powerful than i previously thought

Sorry if this was posted before but this little write up on bloggingtheboys is pretty spot on. It's part of a larger piece

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/1/24/732206/show-me-that-you-care-on-t

I get that most people don't like T.O. I also get that the people that are unsure about T.O. are consistently bomboarded by the majority to accept their premise.


Owens is a lot of things. Phenomenal athelete. Locker room cancer (as his detractors would say). Complainer. Hall of Fame receiver. Emotional. Sensitive. Bad rapper. Health nut.


But I've never heard someone say he's influential in the hiring and firing of coaches. Never heard that. That is until today.


John Czarnecki, a fixture at Foxsports.com, basically posits that T.O. had a hand in stopping Jason Garrett from securing the St. Louis Rams head coaching job. He really doesn't explain how, so, I guess we'll just have to take his word for it. He also says players respect Owens more than Romo, Jerry Jones likes Owens more than Romo and Owens made his teammates hate Jason Witten. Again, he doesn't explain how he knows this. He just does.


But the most curious thing in the article is how Owens derailed Garrett's chance at the St. Louis job.

Now, back to the Rams and where T.O. flexed his influence. During the search process, columnists and writers for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch started revealing flaws in Garrett's résumé — basically, that he's a very young coach who hasn't won a playoff game. But when the subject came to players, it was voiced that Garrett had a difficult time coaching black players. That is such a ridiculous assertion, but it gained so much steam in St. Louis that the fans accepted it as fact. On the day that Garrett thought he had a shot at becoming the head coach, the final paragraph in a Post-Dispatch news story was that hundreds of fans called the team's ticket office to complain about a Garrett hiring.


Within hours of those words hitting the newsstands, Garrett and his wife were boarding a plane for Dallas and the Rams started negotiating with current head coach Steve Spagnuolo. Somewhere in the background, T.O. had to be snickering. Mission accomplished.
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I don't doubt Owens is a very persuasive person. I don't even doubt Owens is a powerful influence on our locker room.


But does he have the power to derail Garrett's job chances? Doesn't Garrett's job performance have more to do with that? Do you really think an owner or general manager is going to take Owens' influence into account when hiring a new coach? If that's the case, why does Todd Haley and Brad Childress have a job? Didn't he hate them too?


Sigh.


Maybe I'm looking at this all wrong. Maybe Owens does have this influence.



Maybe he walked into Jerry Jones' office one day and said, "He's gotta go. Him or me."


And Jones said, "Can't do that. But how 'bout we fire Brian Stewart instead? I'll throw in Bruce Read too. Will that placate you?"


Maybe Owens shrugged his shoulders and said, "Alright. Just this time."
Yeah. I don't think it sounds plausible either.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

No. I don't know of him having done anything of the sort. And I don't know of him having done anything of the sort this time. But he has clearly been a part of two other divided locker rooms. That's the limit of my reference.

Yeah, there's no question he's had problems at other teams. But I haven't seen it displayed here. As a matter of fact, the other issues at the other teams were done in such a public way. So this surely doesn't sound like his M.O.