RECAP: Sean Salisbury on Vince Young's workout...

[WoodysGirl]

In Austin with Vince Young


Just left Texas' pro day and Vince Young looked great. He completed passes using three-step, four-step and seven-step drops. He threw deep balls, 50 and 60 yards and rolled out, scrambled and hit receivers on post patters and outs.

Young completed his first 10 passes.

"I just want to continue being Vince Young," he said. "You hear so much that Vince is not working out and not doing this and that. This shows I'm working."

Young's agent, Major Adams, believes Young's stock is rising. He's supposed to meet the Titans on Thursday and has two more meetings scheduled, Baltimore and the New York Jets, in the next few days.

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[Cbz40]

I posted this in another thread.


Don Schula, on the Dan Patric Show, said if he were the Texans he He would make VY the first pick in the draft.

Mr Schula seems to think Young has proven he can get the job (winning)done at the college level and should be a fine QB in the NFL. He also made the remark that he would not change a thing in his delivery.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Scout: Young runs 40-yard dash in 4.58

ESPN.com news services

Quarterback Vince Young was timed in 4.58 seconds in the 40-yard dash Wednesday on what is considered a fast track at the University of Texas in Austin, one NFL scout told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

The scout said Young's time was slower than anticipated. According to the same scout, Young's overall workout was "fairly impressive," but the scout believed that Young was not asked to make certain drops and throws that he would have to perform in a private team workout. Young's pro workout Wednesday, which was open to all NFL teams, was run by Jerry Rhome, a former NFL quarterback and assistant coach.

Young's projected NFL draft position received a major boost after he led Texas to the BCS Championship in January with one of the great all-time individual performances in college football history.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2380236

 

[Da Hammer]

Damn, Young really is in a no win situation with most people. He slips up on a worthless test and he is dubbed a ******* for the rest of his life; then he gets rave reviews on his workout, but that still is not good enough, he hasn't seen coverages or defenses.

Well, he sure played well last year under pressure from OSU where he constantly found the open receiver and eluded blitzing LBs.

He tore apart the Pete Carrol secondary, which uses some of the most confusing schemes, with ease.

The kid has done nothing but make ****ing plays when everyone doubts him and pushes himself to get better.

He is no Ryan Leaf, not even close. I only wish we were in position to pick him up but we won't because he can't play third base. I only wish that we had some people on this team who have the character that Young does...then we would not miss the playoffs...

Go ahead and doubt him, he will prove everyone wrong just like he has been doing for the past few years.

 

[K-DOGG]

Stupid enough to win a National Championship almost by his damn self!!!!!!

 

[mmurray21]

I think its funny how people are trying to crap over his positive workout. He plays like a man among boys with the last two heisman winners(completely outplaying another QB that everyone assumes will be better for some reson). People start to suggest that he should be the number 1 pick in the draft. He has a terrible wonderlic score (allegedly) and people start talking like the guy can't even play at the next level.

Maybe he will be great and maybe he won't, but this rollercoaster is just silly. I bet he will be better than Lienhart at the next level.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Great recap as usual TB!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Its pretty sad. Young's detractors are now having to resort to an unverified wonderlic score and the fact that he has not faced NFL defenses to prove their points.

A couple of weeks ago it was the 'he can only throw shot and intermediate routes' and 'his delivery inhibits his ablility to get the ball out fast.' Well he just answered both of those questions. The one thing that the detractors have to own up to is that HE CAN MAKE ALL THE THROWS WITH ACCURACY AND VELOCITY.

Add to that he was consistently the best QB in the country all of the 2005 season culminating in what was perhaps the top performance by a college player in the history of college football on the biggest stage in college football.

Now go ahead and spew about your unverified wonderlic score translates into him not being able to react to NFL defenses to your hearts content. Fact is Vince Young keeps answering every question that any doubter has put to impede his path. My money is on him continuing that trend.

 

[Cbz40]

Its pretty sad. Young's detractors are now having to resort to an unverified wonderlic score and the fact that he has not faced NFL defenses to prove their points.

A couple of weeks ago it was the 'he can only throw shot and intermediate routes' and 'his delivery inhibits his ablility to get the ball out fast.' Well he just answered both of those questions. The one thing that the detractors have to own up to is that HE CAN MAKE ALL THE THROWS WITH ACCURACY AND VELOCITY.

Add to that he was consistently the best QB in the country all of the 2005 season culminating in what was perhaps the top performance by a college player in the history of college football on the biggest stage in college football.

Now go ahead and spew about your unverified wonderlic score translates into him not being able to react to NFL defenses to your hearts content. Fact is Vince Young keeps answering every question that any doubter has put to impede his path. My money is on him continuing that trend.

Mr FuzzyLumpkins..that was what I have been trying to say for weeks. Thank You.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mr FuzzyLumpkins..that was what I have been trying to say for weeks. Thank You.

Glad i could be of service.

 

[kartr]

Its pretty sad. Young's detractors are now having to resort to an unverified wonderlic score and the fact that he has not faced NFL defenses to prove their points.

A couple of weeks ago it was the 'he can only throw shot and intermediate routes' and 'his delivery inhibits his ablility to get the ball out fast.' Well he just answered both of those questions. The one thing that the detractors have to own up to is that HE CAN MAKE ALL THE THROWS WITH ACCURACY AND VELOCITY.

Add to that he was consistently the best QB in the country all of the 2005 season culminating in what was perhaps the top performance by a college player in the history of college football on the biggest stage in college football.

Now go ahead and spew about your unverified wonderlic score translates into him not being able to react to NFL defenses to your hearts content. Fact is Vince Young keeps answering every question that any doubter has put to impede his path. My money is on him continuing that trend.

Don't forget, they said he also played in a dumbed down offense too, but apparently he was smart enough to beat Pete Carrolls' smart defense. What did they say, if you give Pete Carroll a whole month to dissect his game,it's over for Texas and then after the game, well, uh,uh, USC's defense wasn't very good anyhow. Incredible!:laugh2:

 

[Kangaroo]

Funny I how the stories very on radio from media at the workout

Here in houston the report is this (Sports Radio 610)

The report of 4.49 40 yard is not true he was slower but he was not as bad as the 4.57. Lance talked to 3 scouts and they share times basicly he ran in the 4.5 range who cares he is a QB

Next he reported Vince throwing velocity was good (not the super zip or anything like Doofberry reported)

Vince best route throwing was the short stuff; slants short hooks and crossing routes. Vince best throwing today was a lot of the West Coast Offense type routes

So quite differnt from one meia guy to the next

 

[J-DOG]

How many coverages did he see today? How many times did he have to check down to another play or make some decisions on the fly.

Geez, these guys get all warm and fuzzy over a guy whith great "zip" on the ball. Well, Ryan Leaf had great Zip on the ball as well. How'd that work out?

If the guy doesn't have it upstairs he ain't gonna cut it in today's NFL at QB. Pure and simple.

Yo, stop hatin!
Pete Carroll threw every kind of blitz at Young on that last drive in the Rose Bowl and it didn't make a difference.
Some people hate what they can't understand. Young is an uncoventional qb and if you cannot accept that then you will understand it in time.
Young is not Leaf!
Good greif Charlie Brown!

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Yo, stop hatin!
Pete Carroll threw every kind of blitz at Young on that last drive in the Rose Bowl and it didn't make a difference.
Some people hate what they can't understand. Young is an uncoventional qb and if you cannot accept that then you will understand it in time.
Young is not Leaf!
Good greif Charlie Brown!

First of all I don't hate the guy.

Second I am on record as saying I hope the guy does well.

My concern is in conjuction with making the giant leap to the NFL, he he has not displayed the apptitude to absoarb an NFL playbook along with the ability, mentally, to disect an NFL defense. Especially on the fly. Now with all that said, if he were available at 18 I would think about taking him. But there is no way you burn a top 5 or possibly a top 10 pick on a guy with question marks. (Mental accumen, throwing mechanics).

The mistake that so many coaches make is that they see raw talent, and no doubt VY has tons of talent, they think they can "coach them up". The Cowboys are a good example of that with Hutch, Henson and QC. I don't think anyone here wants to go through that again.

 

[gbrittain]

I have always maintained that Vince Young is a tremendous talent. He may or may not have success at the next level just like many QBs who came into the league highly regarded but fell right on their face.

There is no reason Vince Young can not excel at the Pro level. Sure, there is potential for bust, some way there was potential for bust when Ryan Leaf came into the league and when Troy Aikman came into the league.

Many QBs come in the league with potential and fail (Ryan Leaf) and others succeed (Troy Aikman).

I do not care about the Wonderlic score. I dont care about his mechanics (Bernie Kosar). I dont care about his arm strength (Joe Montana). I donht care that he ran most of his plays out of the shotgun (Ben R). What will determine his fate is can he adjust to the NFL game. Can he read an NFL defense and do it quickly? To me that will ultimately determine his success in the NFL.

His physical talents are undeniable. If he grasps the mental part of the game, he will be well on his way.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I have always maintained that Vince Young is a tremendous talent. He may or may not have success at the next level just like many QBs who came into the league highly regarded but fell right on their face.

There is no reason Vince Young can not excel at the Pro level. Sure, there is potential for bust, some way there was potential for bust when Ryan Leaf came into the league and when Troy Aikman came into the league.

Many QBs come in the league with potential and fail (Ryan Leaf) and others succeed (Troy Aikman).

I do not care about the Wonderlic score. I dont care about his mechanics (Bernie Kosar). I dont care about his arm strength (Joe Montana). I donht care that he ran most of his plays out of the shotgun (Ben R). What will determine his fate is can he adjust to the NFL game. Can he read an NFL defense and do it quickly? To me that will ultimately determine his success in the NFL.

His physical talents are undeniable. If he grasps the mental part of the game, he will be well on his way.

Those two things are somewhat tied together.

 

[gbrittain]

I dont know if I agree with that or not. Not saying you are wrong and I am sure that it does not hurt to have a high Wonderlic score.

I think it possible to be football smart and not test that great on a standarized test.

 

[DizzG]

Im so sick of this bull on Vince Young. He is one of the most amazing players I have ever watched in 25 years of viewing football. He was amazing this past season and showed on many occasions that he could make the great throw as well as run with his legs. He led the entire nation in passing efficiency for God sakes. Most people who were at the workout today said Vince looked great. as too how he is under pressure in a game...I've seen all I need to know ON the football field to know he is a special player

 

[dbair1967]

Its pretty sad. Young's detractors are now having to resort to an unverified wonderlic score and the fact that he has not faced NFL defenses to prove their points.

A couple of weeks ago it was the 'he can only throw shot and intermediate routes' and 'his delivery inhibits his ablility to get the ball out fast.' Well he just answered both of those questions. The one thing that the detractors have to own up to is that HE CAN MAKE ALL THE THROWS WITH ACCURACY AND VELOCITY.

Add to that he was consistently the best QB in the country all of the 2005 season culminating in what was perhaps the top performance by a college player in the history of college football on the biggest stage in college football.

Now go ahead and spew about your unverified wonderlic score translates into him not being able to react to NFL defenses to your hearts content. Fact is Vince Young keeps answering every question that any doubter has put to impede his path. My money is on him continuing that trend.

thw wonderlic is cause for concern (and he did indeed make a painfully low score the first time, and a mediocre score the next time)...however my concerns about him if I were scouting him for an NFL offense havent changed a bit:

1) hasnt been in a drop back offense, footwork for the drop back offense will have to worked on alot
2) ran a school yard, option style scheme for basically his whole 3 yrs there
3) the Big 12 simply wasnt very good either yr he was the starter...his teams at Texas were loaded with NFL calibar talent against mediocre opponents...two amazing bowl games, but niether Michigan last yr nor USC this yr were good on defense
4) while there are reports he threw well today, a QB should always throw well in perfect conditons with shorts on and WR's running uncovered...I never saw consistent accuracy or arm strength in the games I saw him play vs real opponents...there were flashes, but it wasnt consistent

major project IMO

David

 

[J-DOG]

First of all I don't hate the guy.

Second I am on record as saying I hope the guy does well.

My concern is in conjuction with making the giant leap to the NFL, he he has not displayed the apptitude to absoarb an NFL playbook along with the ability, mentally, to disect an NFL defense. Especially on the fly. Now with all that said, if he were available at 18 I would think about taking him. But there is no way you burn a top 5 or possibly a top 10 pick on a guy with question marks. (Mental accumen, throwing mechanics).

The mistake that so many coaches make is that they see raw talent, and no doubt VY has tons of talent, they think they can "coach them up". The Cowboys are a good example of that with Hutch, Henson and QC. I don't think anyone here wants to go through that again.

I hear what you're saying.
But once again I respectfully disagree.
Yo, all you doubters out there...Anyone remember where Michael Vick was selected????
Vince Young is miles ahead of Vick.
He has more poise in crunch time than Vick did in college.
He's much more accurate than Vick was in college...probably more accurate right now.
Leadership...the guy was 30-2 in college and his team won the national championship while he completed 30 of 40 passes and ran for over 200yds.
Oh yeah he didn't even look tired after the game!
Sometimes you can look at something too much and find a reason not to like a guy.
I'll go by what my eyes tell me and how his teammates played for him.
The dude is for real and anyone who doesn't draft this guy will be second guessing themselves for a long time.
The Portland Trailblazers would like to take back that Sam Bowie pick...Oh hell yeah they would!