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More than coaching?Recent downturn in OLine performance should be our biggest concern
The OL will be fine.
More than coaching?Recent downturn in OLine performance should be our biggest concern
@Silly , quit sounding so silly.I disagree with the premise. Zeke was the #1 rusher in 2018. If the OL was so bad that would not have happened. I think what hurt the team was a combination of DAK, WRs, Coaching, and TEs. That combination stymied the team's red zone production.
Let’s try a thread that isn’t Dak-focused.
By every reasonable statistic, this offensive line has been in decline since 2017. We’ve blamed Dak for holding the ball too long, Linehan for his lack of creativity, dearth of talent at WR, but the stats show that this comes back to the offensive line.
From 2014 to 2016 this was a dominant force up front. Even in 2015, the year ruined by Romo’s two brutal collarbone injuries, the team still ran for 4.63 yards per carry. That was before Zeke.
In 2016, Bryant went down injured and Dak and Zeke still killed it. They went 13-3.
2017 was OK until Tyron Smith got hurt and the dreaded Chaz Green experiment. And that’s when things have started to come undone.
There were 56 sacks given up in 2018, and even if you give a lot of them to Dak (unfair, but whatever), you can’t get past the poor play on the line.
1. Conner Williams was the biggest culprit. Undersized, he gave up the most sacks even though he didn’t play 16 games. He shouldn’t have been thrown into the fire so soon.
2. Collins gets a free pass here but his play was also really poor. I have to imagine that this is his last year here.
3. Obviously we were missing Fredbeard. Looney is the only starter who didn’t give up any sacks (Martin only gave up 2), but we miss Fredbeard’s adjustments and athleticism.
4. Tyron Smith was playing hurt again. He’s not getting any younger.
So to me, the team’s success in 2019 comes down to the offensive line. When they play well, this team wins a lot of games. When they don’t... well, you know.
And the Dallas Cowboys have more salary cap money invested in OL then any other team in the league.
In 2019..
- Frederick is back, but is he his old self
- Martin is a stud, no worry there.
- Collins is a worry, and he’s likely gone after this year. Can he be replaced a year early
- Will T.Smith stay injury free?
- Will Conner Williams’ bulk make him a better player?
- How willing Conner McGovern contribute?
Too many questions... this is my biggest worry going into training camp.
Let’s try a thread that isn’t Dak-focused.
By every reasonable statistic, this offensive line has been in decline since 2017. We’ve blamed Dak for holding the ball too long, Linehan for his lack of creativity, dearth of talent at WR, but the stats show that this comes back to the offensive line.
From 2014 to 2016 this was a dominant force up front. Even in 2015, the year ruined by Romo’s two brutal collarbone injuries, the team still ran for 4.63 yards per carry. That was before Zeke.
In 2016, Bryant went down injured and Dak and Zeke still killed it. They went 13-3.
2017 was OK until Tyron Smith got hurt and the dreaded Chaz Green experiment. And that’s when things have started to come undone.
There were 56 sacks given up in 2018, and even if you give a lot of them to Dak (unfair, but whatever), you can’t get past the poor play on the line.
1. Conner Williams was the biggest culprit. Undersized, he gave up the most sacks even though he didn’t play 16 games. He shouldn’t have been thrown into the fire so soon.
2. Collins gets a free pass here but his play was also really poor. I have to imagine that this is his last year here.
3. Obviously we were missing Fredbeard. Looney is the only starter who didn’t give up any sacks (Martin only gave up 2), but we miss Fredbeard’s adjustments and athleticism.
4. Tyron Smith was playing hurt again. He’s not getting any younger.
So to me, the team’s success in 2019 comes down to the offensive line. When they play well, this team wins a lot of games. When they don’t... well, you know.
And the Dallas Cowboys have more salary cap money invested in OL then any other team in the league.
In 2019..
- Frederick is back, but is he his old self
- Martin is a stud, no worry there.
- Collins is a worry, and he’s likely gone after this year. Can he be replaced a year early
- Will T.Smith stay injury free?
- Will Conner Williams’ bulk make him a better player?
- How willing Conner McGovern contribute?
Too many questions... this is my biggest worry going into training camp.
I felt like that, too.Do you happen to have the holding callas against Tyron Smith last year? I seem to remember he got called for quite a few, some of which seemed very tickey-tack to me.
Zeke won the rushing title 2 times, in 3 years.
It's justified criticms of disappointing return on investment. The Cowboys have invested too much for this line to be average. They're paying for "the best".
We pay tyron, martin and fred to be one of the best and they are.
We pay tyron, martin and fred to be one of the best and they are.
Agreed, the position of Dallas on this list should flip flop...2018 sacks allowed
62 Houston Texans
56 Dallas Cowboys
53 Green Bay Packers
53 Jacksonville Jaguars
52 Oakland Raiders
52 Miami Dolphins
52 Arizona Cardinals
51 Seattle Seahawks
48 San Francisco 49ers
47 New York Giants
47 Tennessee Titans
44 Washington Commanders
42 Atlanta Falcons
41 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
41 Detroit Lions
41 Buffalo Bills
40 Philadelphia Eagles
40 Minnesota Vikings
38 Cleveland Browns
37 Cincinnati Bengals
37 New York Jets
34 Los Angeles Chargers
34 Denver Broncos
33 Los Angeles Rams
33 Chicago Bears
32 Carolina Panthers
32 Baltimore Ravens
26 Kansas City Chiefs
24 Pittsburgh Steelers
21 New England Patriots
20 New Orleans Saints
18 Indianapolis Colts
So basically 3 sacks per game? I'm assuming the 2 playoff games are included in that stat.2018 sacks allowed
62 Houston Texans
56 Dallas Cowboys
53 Green Bay Packers
53 Jacksonville Jaguars
52 Oakland Raiders
52 Miami Dolphins
52 Arizona Cardinals
51 Seattle Seahawks
48 San Francisco 49ers
47 New York Giants
47 Tennessee Titans
44 Washington Commanders
42 Atlanta Falcons
41 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
41 Detroit Lions
41 Buffalo Bills
40 Philadelphia Eagles
40 Minnesota Vikings
38 Cleveland Browns
37 Cincinnati Bengals
37 New York Jets
34 Los Angeles Chargers
34 Denver Broncos
33 Los Angeles Rams
33 Chicago Bears
32 Carolina Panthers
32 Baltimore Ravens
26 Kansas City Chiefs
24 Pittsburgh Steelers
21 New England Patriots
20 New Orleans Saints
18 Indianapolis Colts
Playoffs not included which makes it 3.5 per game.So basically 3 sacks per game? I'm assuming the 2 playoff games are included in that stat.
Ouch
2018 sacks allowed
62 Houston Texans
56 Dallas Cowboys
53 Green Bay Packers
53 Jacksonville Jaguars
52 Oakland Raiders
52 Miami Dolphins
52 Arizona Cardinals
51 Seattle Seahawks
48 San Francisco 49ers
47 New York Giants
47 Tennessee Titans
44 Washington Commanders
42 Atlanta Falcons
41 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
41 Detroit Lions
41 Buffalo Bills
40 Philadelphia Eagles
40 Minnesota Vikings
38 Cleveland Browns
37 Cincinnati Bengals
37 New York Jets
34 Los Angeles Chargers
34 Denver Broncos
33 Los Angeles Rams
33 Chicago Bears
32 Carolina Panthers
32 Baltimore Ravens
26 Kansas City Chiefs
24 Pittsburgh Steelers
21 New England Patriots
20 New Orleans Saints
18 Indianapolis Colts
They have been in the past, but the line gave up too many sacks and struggled far too often for what's been invested. That needs to improve.
The guys they pay big money too arent the ones giving up the sacks. Also qb's who have a faster release and don't run tend to have lower sack numbers.
No, but 56 sacks don't happen without performance issues by the OLine regardless of play calling or the QB.and all of those are the Olines fault? of course not.
No, but 56 sacks don't happen without performance issues by the OLine regardless of play calling or the QB.
The play calls definitely contributed and Dak definitely held the ball too long more often than he should have; although I think he was coached to wait for receivers to get open as opposed to Parcells probably delaying Romo becoming a starter by a year specifically because he couldn't break Romo of that habit. Parcells would stand behind Romo in practice and blow the play dead at the 3 second mark. I don't think any coach has done that with Dak.