Recent picture of Jaylon Smith shows no brace

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is plenty of time for it to fire. But if the season started today, he would have to wear a afo. As far as videos and not seeing a afo, every one I've seen he's had long socks on or tape. Its hard to tell or say there isn't a afo underneath it. Mine is big and ugly lol but there are ones that aren't as bulky as mine and less noticeable. They don't have the ankle support mine does and are for people who need less lift on their foot which I assume he has. If the nerve was firing fully and he didn't need a afo, Stephen, and especially JJ, would be letting everyone know lol just to show their pick wasn't a wasted pick lol.

Again, we have Stephen Jones, Albert Breer, and Brandon George all saying that it has already fired. Stephen has also said he might or might not need an AFO to play.

Jaylon also did not have a type 4 nerve injury like yours. Yours was cut. His was not.

 

[zrinkill]

Dallas Cowboys: Why Everyone Should Be Excited About Jaylon Smith

The Dallas Cowboys remain confident in Jaylon Smith’s return to the football field. Here’s why you should too…
With the offseason at full tilt, the Dallas Cowboys must assess whether or not they can rely on certain members of the team. One of those members with a considerable amount of orbiting question marks is second-year pro Jaylon Smith.

By now, even the most casual Cowboys fan has heard the story on Jaylon. Star linebacker form the University of Notre Dame suffers a catastrophic knee injury in the final game of his college career. Once considered the best defensive player of the draft, Smith finds himself falling out of the first round entirely.

The Dallas Cowboys, known for drafting injured players on the cheap, swoop in pick up the superstar linebacker at the top of the second round.

http://sportdfw.com/2017/04/12/dallas-cowboys-why-everyone-should-be-excited-about-jaylon-smith/

 

[Sydla]

Jaylon has not been working out with the team and that is Jones saying he doesn't know. Thanks for playing though.

At least you tried to make the argument as opposed to the rest of the braintrust.

You have any pictures from the last several months with him having it on? I would be more than happy to show you several stills and videos without.

Wait, what?

Are you saying what Jones is saying here is that he doesn't know if Smith is wearing a brace or not?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

“Once that stuff usually starts to fire, which it did, then it usually improves each time,” Jones said.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article140996318.html#storylink=cpy

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wait, what?

Are you saying what Jones is saying here is that he doesn't know if Smith is wearing a brace or not?

He's saying that he doesn't know whether or not he is going to need a brace. That should not be surprising because Jaylon has not been working out with the club.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wait, what?

Are you saying what Jones is saying here is that he doesn't know if Smith is wearing a brace or not?

Jones is pretty clearly stating that at that time Smith was working with a brace.

Oh and as for not working out with the team, Jones clearly states, "our guys feel comfortable after working with him.........." Who are "our guys"? Seems he's talking about Cowboys personnel - trainers, players, etc.

Dude, this is pretty embarrassing for you at this point.

The players are not with the club. They worked with him all of last season.

Cowboys’ Offseason Workout Program Gets Underway April 18

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2016/04/01/cowboys’-offseason-workout-program-gets-underway-april-18

What's embarrassing is you not understanding the meaning of the word after. It simply means sometime in the past not yesterday.

 

[Sydla]

You are changing the argument. What Jones says is that it's not clear if he will have to use the brace or not. Future tense.

But by introducing the notion that he might have to play with a brace, it's clear Jones is saying he still needs the brace as of March. What's uncertain is will he need the brace in August. If Jones didn't need the brace back in late March when Jones was interviewed, then Jones wouldn't be talking about the possibility of him being able to play with the brace.

It's pretty obvious as to what's going on. Smith is improving, his nerve has been firing and he's getting some sensation back. But he still utilizes the brace (or at least did in March when Jones was interviewed). Whether he needs the brace today or next week or two months from now to play football is what we still will have to learn.

 

[Sydla]

He's saying that he doesn't know whether or not he is going to need a brace. That should not be surprising because Jaylon has not been working out with the club.

That's an interesting spin on this. Are you really telling me that the Cowboys were completely in the dark with Smith as of late March? LOL. You can't be serious. There isn't a shred of doubt they are monitoring what he's doing, etc. So if he was working out with a brace in March, the Cowboys would know that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's an interesting spin on this. Are you really telling me that the Cowboys were completely in the dark with Smith as of late March? LOL. You can't be serious. There isn't a shred of doubt they are monitoring what he's doing, etc. So if he was working out with a brace in March, the Cowboys would know that.

I never said that. I can show you footage from February working out on his own using tape and not an AFO. I know you have seen it as well as all of the other stills with him not wearing it since the new year. We also know that players do not return to the club until next week.

The spin here is you assuming because he said after that means it was recent. Again the trainers worked with him all of last season. Given that they have not worked with him since it would make sense that they have no evaluated whether he will need one this year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But by introducing the notion that he might have to play with a brace, it's clear Jones is saying he still needs the brace as of March.

********. You cannot pinpoint dates from what he said. All he said was he doesn't know. You don't get to make up what he does know to confirm your bias.

Fact is that the players have not been with the team since the season ended and Jaylon as his videos have shown has been working out on his own.

 

[Sydla]

Bull****. You cannot pinpoint dates from what he said. All he said was he doesn't know. You don't get to make up what he does know to confirm your bias.

Fact is that the players have not been with the team since the season ended and Jaylon as his videos have shown has been working out on his own.

What's hilarious here is that you are basically contradicting yourself.

So which is it? Does Jones not have any clue what Smith is doing in his workouts or does he?

And what's my "bias"?

 

[bayeslife]

Wait, so April 18th we should have some kind a clearer update on Jaylon? That's pretty exciting.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What's hilarious here is that you are basically contradicting yourself.

So which is it? Does Jones not have any clue what Smith is doing in his workouts or does he?

And what's my "bias"?

That he still wears the AFO.

I never said he has no clue; that is you fumbling around with my argument. I am just saying he doesn't know whether or not he's going to need an AFO. Nothing more and nothing less. I do imagine he talks to his doctor and agent and such but the CBA limits what a club can do during the offseason. It is what it is.

Fact is the players left the Star after their exit interviews in early January and will return to workout on April 18th. We have seen that Jaylon has been working out on his own.

And do you have a single picture of him wearing an AFO from this year? There are a whole lot of them like the OP where he is not.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wait, so April 18th we should have some kind a clearer update on Jaylon? That's pretty exciting.

We will really know for sure when OTAs start in May but he will start working out with the club again in April.

 

[Common Sense]

Wait, so April 18th we should have some kind a clearer update on Jaylon? That's pretty exciting.

Just think, only six more days of this crap, and then we'll have a whole new set of tweets to argue semantics over.

 

[Sydla]

That he still wears the AFO.

I never said he has no clue; that is you fumbling around with my argument. I am just saying he doesn't know whether or not he's going to need an AFO. Nothing more and nothing less. I do imagine he talks to his doctor and agent and such but the CBA limits what a club can do during the offseason. It is what it is.

Fact is the players left the Star after their exit interviews in early January and will return to workout on April 18th. We have seen that Jaylon has been working out on his own.

And do you have a single picture of him wearing an AFO from this year? There are a whole lot of them like the OP where he is not.

I have no idea personally if he's wearing an AFO or not.

But I suspect Jones does since he talks with Smith, doctors, etc. And the fact he even mentioned the idea that he could play with a brace would be an odd thing to say if Smith was working out now without one. For one to believe your version of the story, one would have to assume Jones is in the dark about how Smith is working out right now.

 

[Common Sense]

I have no idea if he's wearing an AFO or not.

But I suspect Jones does since he talks with Smith, doctors, etc. And the fact he even introduced the idea that he could play with a brace pretty much states that right now, Smith is still utilizing the brace. For one to believe your version of the story, one would have to assume Jones is in the dark about how Smith is working out right now.

What Jones is saying is that Smith is using a brace now but it's unclear if he will need one in the future. Any other reading of that is someone showing their bias.

Stephen Jones could say "We're not sure if Jaylon's head will still be severed by training camp, but we're pretty confident he could still play with a severed head" and Fuzzy would still spend 7 pages telling everyone that Jaylon wasn't really decapitated.

WHY DO YOU THINK HE BROUGHT UP THE BRACE IF IT WASN'T A FACTOR ANYMORE, GENIUS?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have no idea personally if he's wearing an AFO or not.

But I suspect Jones does since he talks with Smith, doctors, etc. And the fact he even mentioned the idea that he could play with a brace would be an odd thing to say if Smith was working out now without one. For one to believe your version of the story, one would have to assume Jones is in the dark about how Smith is working out right now.

Not really. He considers both options.

For one to believe my story one need only believe the verifiable fact that players don't return this year until April 18th. As of now Jones is relying on second hand information which explains the ambiguity. Just as all the work they did with him first hand last year would make him comfortable playing him with the AFO on.

You're the one making up stories about what Stephen does not know. I am only relying on what he says and the schedule of the club.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Stephen Jones could say "We're not sure if Jaylon's head will still be severed by training camp, but we're pretty confident he could still play with a severed head" and Fuzzy would still spend 7 pages telling everyone that Jaylon wasn't really decapitated.

WHY DO YOU THINK HE BROUGHT UP THE BRACE IF IT WASN'T A FACTOR ANYMORE, GENIUS?

Because it is possible he needs one and he is not sure. When they parted ways in January I suspect he was wearing the AFO. Whether or not he still needs one remains to be seen.

And that is a stupid analogy. Decapitation is immutable.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just think, only six more days of this crap, and then we'll have a whole new set of tweets to argue semantics over.

He's not disputing my semantic arguments but given that he is trying to make inferences off of what Stephen said the meanings of words are important. He has now resorted to strawmen.