Recent picture of Jaylon Smith shows no brace

[speedkilz88]

I have no idea personally if he's wearing an AFO or not.

But I suspect Jones does since he talks with Smith, doctors, etc. And the fact he even mentioned the idea that he could play with a brace would be an odd thing to say if Smith was working out now without one. For one to believe your version of the story, one would have to assume Jones is in the dark about how Smith is working out right now.

Not necessarily. If his dorsiflexion is at about 60-70 percent it obviously would be well enough to do things but they still might have him wear it for precautionary reasons in a game. Doc50 has stated something about at 80% dorsiflexion would be well enough for nobody to notice.

 

[Common Sense]

Not necessarily. If his dorsiflexion is at about 60-70 percent it obviously would be well enough to do things but they still might have him wear it for precautionary reasons in a game. Doc50 has stated something about at 80% dorsiflexion would be well enough for nobody to notice.

I would imagine those same precautionary reasons would apply to working out as well. Sure, it's possible that he isn't wearing one in those videos, but it's just as likely that he's wearing a non-obtrusive, lightweight AFO custom engineered specifically for professional football and that the tape is there to help hold it in place.

Point is, who knows? Some people are just terrified of uncertainty, for whatever reason.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would imagine those same precautionary reasons would apply to working out as well. Sure, it's possible that he isn't wearing one in those videos, but it's just as likely that he's wearing a non-obtrusive, lightweight AFO custom engineered specifically for professional football and that the tape is there to help hold it in place.

Point is, who knows? Some people are just terrified of uncertainty, for whatever reason.

Again, players do not start working out with the club this year until next week. Whether or not he will need one when working out with the club is moot until he returns next week.

We have not seen an AFO in the videos he has posted working out with third parties this year. We have definitively seen him not wear one in stills of him out and about with family, friends, and fans.

 

[speedkilz88]

I would imagine those same precautionary reasons would apply to working out as well. Sure, it's possible that he isn't wearing one in those videos, but it's just as likely that he's wearing a non-obtrusive, lightweight AFO custom engineered specifically for professional football and that the tape is there to help hold it in place.

Point is, who knows? Some people are just terrified of uncertainty, for whatever reason.

Working out he knows the movements he would be putting it through. In a game their are going to be scrums, twisting, and putting a lot more pressure on it when making impacts with players.

And it might be more for protecting the ankle more than anything.

 

[gmoney112]

Because it is possible he needs one and he is not sure. When they parted ways in January I suspect he was wearing the AFO. Whether or not he still needs one remains to be seen.

And that is a stupid analogy. Decapitation is immutable.

For now.

Muahah

 

[Sydla]

Not necessarily. If his dorsiflexion is at about 60-70 percent it obviously would be well enough to do things but they still might have him wear it for precautionary reasons in a game. Doc50 has stated something about at 80% dorsiflexion would be well enough for nobody to notice.

Yes but wouldn't that information be known to Jones? I would guess Jones has a pretty good handle on what's going on with Smith, his practice situation, usage of a brace, etc.

I think people are making themselves crazy over this. My guess based on Jones comments is that Smith is still using the brace (in what capacity, I have no idea) and that the possibility exists he may end up playing with the brace. The percentages of brace or not? Who the hell knows at this point.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

If I were him, I would wear it during the offseason as a precaution. Unless it is better than we think, better be safe than sorry.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes but wouldn't that information be known to Jones? I would guess Jones has a pretty good handle on what's going on with Smith, his practice situation, usage of a brace, etc.

I think people are making themselves crazy over this. My guess based on Jones comments is that Smith is still using the brace (in what capacity, I have no idea) and that the possibility exists he may end up playing with the brace. The percentages of brace or not? Who the hell knows at this point.

When does Jaylon return to workout with the club?

 

[Sydla]

Because it is possible he needs one and he is not sure. When they parted ways in January I suspect he was wearing the AFO. Whether or not he still needs one remains to be seen.

And that is a stupid analogy. Decapitation is immutable.

Of course, no one denies that point. The issue is the current status. You've taken Jones quote and somehow twisted into some story that Jones apparently doesn't seem to not only know if he will need one in the future but he might not even know if he's wearing one now.

I think what Jones is saying is that he's using a brace now but based on updates and reports, he may not need one in the future. But if he has to wear a brace, they are comfortable with him being able to play with one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course, no one denies that point. The issue is the current status. You've taken Jones quote and somehow twisted into some story that Jones apparently doesn't seem to not only know if he will need one in the future but he might not even know if he's wearing one now.

I think what Jones is saying is that he's using a brace now but based on updates and reports, he may not need one in the future. But if he has to wear a brace, they are comfortable with him being able to play with one.

When did the season end?

When do players return to workout with the club?

 

[Sydla]

When does Jaylon return to workout with the club?

LOL at you continually pushing this point.

If the return date to the club is so important, then one must believe that Jones is largely unaware of the workout status of Smith and has largely been kept out of the dark with regards to Smith's rehab since January.

I think you have lost your marbles if you believe Jones and this front office doesn't have a very, very, very good grasp of where Smith is in his progress, whether or not he's currently utilizing a brace, etc.

 

[Sydla]

When did the season end?

When do players return to workout with the club?

So you are going with the "Jones is in the dark about Smith and his progress" angle?

And FWIW, I hope to God you are right and he's practice sans brace and makes a full recovery. I am not sure, with the evidence to date, that one can make such a definitive proclamation one way or the other.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you are going with the "Jones is in the dark about Smith and his progress" angle?

I have told you several times that is not my argument.

Avoiding the question I see. I'm going with what he said:

I’m not so sure he will have to play with the brace. It’s not a given. We will see.

I'm saying he is still evaluating whether or not he will need the brace and accepting the fact that Jaylon will return to the club in a week.

 

[Common Sense]

Again, players do not start working out with the club this year until next week. Whether or not he will need one when working out with the club is moot until he returns next week.

We have not seen an AFO in the videos he has posted working out with third parties this year. We have definitively seen him not wear one in stills of him out and about with family, friends, and fans.

All signs point to some kind of progress, but whether or not it's enough to make a difference on the football field remains to be seen. We probably won't know anything for sure until the pads come on.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL at you continually pushing this point.

If the return date to the club is so important, then one must believe that Jones is largely unaware of the workout status of Smith and has largely been kept out of the dark with regards to Smith's rehab since January.

I think you have lost your marbles if you believe Jones and this front office doesn't have a very, very, very good grasp of where Smith is in his progress, whether or not he's currently utilizing a brace, etc.

I have no idea. Again you are the one making things up to confirm your bias. I am comfortable with ambiguity. There is a reason why Jones said that they still need to see.

 

[Sydla]

I have told you several times that is not my argument.

Oy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oy.

Also again, the reason why I keep pushing the point is that the club is getting their information second hand. Do you think that he would be comfortable making a definitive evaluation before seeing for himself?

 

[Sydla]

Also again, the reason why I keep pushing the point is that the club is getting their information second hand. Do you think that he would be comfortable making a definitive evaluation before seeing for himself?

What? Who is asking for him to make a definitive statement?

The point being that Smith is likely still using a brace in some capacity and when Jones made the comment he said, he truly didn't know if in the future (meaning August, the season, etc.) Smith would have to wear one. But at this point in time, they were comfortable with the idea that he could play with one if needed.

Secondhand or not, I suspect the Cowboys have a very good idea if Smith is still utilizing a brace, if that brace is only needed for certain workouts, etc. He's also monitored by doctors and they would also provide information to the Cowboys. So no, while Jones hasn't stood next to Smith and watched him workout, I suspect the front office has a very good idea of what, if any, limitations Smith still has, brace usage, etc.

Has he made progress? Absolutely. Can he line up in August for full contact practices without a brace? That's clearly unknown. And the fact Jones even mentioned that possibility in late March seems to indicate that at that time, Smith was still utilizing a brace in some capacity. The Cowboys would absolutely know in March if Smith was still using a brace full time, part time, etc.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What? Who is asking for him to make a definitive statement?

The point being that Smith is likely still using a brace in some capacity and when Jones made the comment he said, he truly didn't know if in the future (meaning August, the season, etc.) Smith would have to wear one. But at this point in time, they were comfortable with the idea that he could play with one if needed.

Secondhand or not, I suspect the Cowboys have a very good idea if Smith is still utilizing a brace, if that brace is only needed for certain workouts, etc. He's also monitored by doctors and they would also provide information to the Cowboys. So no, while Jones hasn't stood next to Smith and watched him workout, I suspect the front office has a very good idea of what, if any, limitations Smith still has, brace usage, etc.

Has he made progress? Absolutely. Can he line up in August for full contact practices without a brace? That's clearly unknown. And the fact Jones even mentioned that possibility in late March seems to indicate that at that time, Smith was still utilizing a brace in some capacity. The Cowboys would absolutely know in March if Smith was still using a brace full time, part time, etc.

And he doesn't start working out with the club until the future. You pulled August out of your ***. When does Jaylon return to the club again?

What you suspect is meaningless. Fact is you do not know. It is awfully convenient that all your speculation confirms your bias.

Not a single pic of him wearing the AFO this year. More than several of him without. That we do know.

 

[Sydla]

And he doesn't start working out with the club until the future. You pulled August out of your ***. When does Jaylon return to the club again?

What you suspect is meaningless. Fact is you do not know. It is awfully convenient that all your speculation confirms your bias.

Not a single pic of him wearing the AFO this year. More than several of him without. That we do know.

August is the start of camp for most NFL teams. It's not some random date. It's the first time we will truly know if he can play football as we get to see him try to run around, make tackles, etc. with or without the brace.

I've never denied I don't know what's truly going on with Smith. I have no idea if he will play this year, two years from now, never, with a brace, without a brace, whatever.

But you don't know anything either despite you lecturing multiple posters on this topic. That's the point.