Red Exploitation

[Hostile]

Coach Parcells also limited what Payton could do. Garrett has far more autonomy than Payton ever had. It is not that difficult to see.

Just for the record, I have already acknowledged this. I said one reason for Payton's Offensives leap forward is because he doesn't have to answer to anyone. We all know Parcells was far more a control freak than Wade.

The bottom line is, no one ever considered Payton to be a major liability to winning, and now that he is gone the grass is suddenly greener. The criteria has also shifted and though the Offense has performed better than in Payton's years here there is a perception that it has nothing at all to do with Jason Garrett. The notions are silly as I assume you would agree.

 

[theebs]

I didn't. I compared the 2 Offensive Coordinators. Hence why I included Payton's time with the Giants.

Whether people want to acknowledge it or not, one of the reasons the 2007-2009 Cowboys talent is better than that 2003-2005 Cowboys is because the Offensive staff have done a good job.

thats true. We have been able to concentrate on areas and fix them with the major spots filled.

John garrett has to be almost directly responsible for John Phillips and Kevin Ogletree, his ties to virginia had to be the key in knowing about the guys.

 

[Hostile]

thats true. We have been able to concentrate on areas and fix them with the major spots filled.

John garrett has to be almost directly responsible for John Phillips and Kevin Ogletree, his ties to virginia had to be the key in knowing about the guys.

And he is here because of whom?

I am tiring of the notions that our staff are bumbling fools. Bumbling fools do not win 2 NFC East crowns in 3 years (or better). People need to go check and see how many coaches in NFC History have pulled that off. I guarantee you it is not that many.

For Dallas...Landry did it. Jimmy did it. Barry did it. Wade did it.

For the Cardinals...Don Coryell did it.

For the Commanders...Joe Gibbs did it.

For the Eagles...Andy Reid did it.

For the Giants...Bill Parcells did it.

8 men in the History of the NFC East have done that as Head Coaches and one of them (Barry) is probably a gimme given the team he inherited.

 

[FLcowboy]

I don't know about overall

but he sure exploited the Eagle's weakness with those WR screens

they had no answer for it

But Minnesota did, and that was the end of the story.

 

[Trendnet]

And he is here because of whom?

I am tiring of the notions that our staff are bumbling fools. Bumbling fools do not win 2 NFC East crowns in 3 years (or better). People need to go check and see how many coaches in NFC History have pulled that off. I guarantee you it is not that many.

For Dallas...Landry did it. Jimmy did it. Barry did it. Wade did it.

For the Cardinals...Don Coryell did it.

For the Commanders...Joe Gibbs did it.

For the Eagles...Andy Reid did it.

For the Giants...Bill Parcells did it.

8 men in the History of the NFC East have done that as Head Coaches and one of them (Barry) is probably a gimme given the team he inherited.

I wonder how this board would react, if Jason Garrett called a double reverse, with a lead, late in a game, that resulted in a fumble and cost his team a victory.

I know one particular head coach who did that.

Let's call him S. Payton... no, no, that's to obvious... Let's go with Sean P.

 

[superpunk]

But Minnesota did, and that was the end of the story.

Did we even run a WR screen against Minnesota?

Either way, I personally cannot wait until Garrett is our head coach. We;ve been churning out offensive coordinators who go on to be successful had coaches for a few years now. People cheered when Payton left. People jeered when Sparano was promoted from OLine coach ("His line sucks!" NVM that he was making it work with Tucker and Pettiti at tackle), and then cheered when Parcells brought him to Miami. Cheered both times, only to lament when it was too late to matter.

Don't get it twisted folks, Garrett's going to be a head coach in this league, and if he gets to be one in a good situation, he's gonna be great. I just hope his "good situation" is with the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[theebs]

And he is here because of whom?

I am tiring of the notions that our staff are bumbling fools. Bumbling fools do not win 2 NFC East crowns in 3 years (or better). People need to go check and see how many coaches in NFC History have pulled that off. I guarantee you it is not that many.

For Dallas...Landry did it. Jimmy did it. Barry did it. Wade did it.

For the Cardinals...Don Coryell did it.

For the Commanders...Joe Gibbs did it.

For the Eagles...Andy Reid did it.

For the Giants...Bill Parcells did it.

8 men in the History of the NFC East have done that as Head Coaches and one of them (Barry) is probably a gimme given the team he inherited.

I am going to be a comedian and a jerk and respond to and he is here because of whom with this!!!

He is here because Jason garrett was hired.

Jason garrett was hired because The jones family loves the garretts, then they researched a guy they already knew in Jason and ran him through the mill of people they knew and trusted and got positive feedback and hired him.

Those people being. Norv turner, Sean Payton and Bill parcells who all signed off on garrett.

either way, I really like the guy. laufenberg said he reminds him of a young bill walsh that he met a long time ago and he hoped Dallas wouldnt make the same mistake Cincy did in not hiring walsh because they were not sure if he was ready!!!!!

 

[burmafrd]

In that giant game we owned their D Line for all of the first half and most of the third qtr. You can try and downplay those long drives but that was total ownage on our part. Nuts even the announcers for the Giants were wailing about it at the time- even those HOMERS saw it.

 

[CF74]

Did we even run a WR screen against Minnesota?

Either way, I personally cannot wait until Garrett is our head coach. We;ve been churning out offensive coordinators who go on to be successful had coaches for a few years now. People cheered when Payton left. People jeered when Sparano was promoted from OLine coach ("His line sucks!" NVM that he was making it work with Tucker and Pettiti at tackle), and then cheered when Parcells brought him to Miami. Cheered both times, only to lament when it was too late to matter.

Don't get it twisted folks, Garrett's going to be a head coach in this league, and if he gets to be one in a good situation, he's gonna be great. I just hope his "good situation" is with the Dallas Cowboys.

When people were whining back then about S. Payton, was anybody saying the Tuna was holding him back? Just curios because nobody is saying that about Wade and Garrett here today...

 

[theebs]

In that giant game we owned their D Line for all of the first half and most of the third qtr. You can try and downplay those long drives but that was total ownage on our part. Nuts even the announcers for the Giants were wailing about it at the time- even those HOMERS saw it.

i am not downplaying anything. We had two incredible drives that would have become legendary had we pulled that game out, but we did a terrible job of handling their blitzes and in the end it cost us the game.

they also disrupted some stuff early in the game on us and in the third quarter along with the 4th qtr. There pressure won the game.

 

[Hostile]

I wonder how this board would react, if Jason Garrett called a double reverse, with a lead, late in a game, that resulted in a fumble and cost his team a victory.

I know one particular head coach who did that.

Let's call him S. Payton... no, no, that's to obvious... Let's go with Sean P.

All other coaches get a pass. You know that.

 

[theebs]

When people were whining back then about S. Payton, was anybody saying the Tuna was holding him back? Just curios because nobody is saying that about Wade and Garrett here today...

that was a major story for alot of the writers. Bill was too conservative was the first thing out of everyones mouth.

 

[Hostile]

I am going to be a comedian and a jerk and respond to and he is here because of whom with this!!!

He is here because Jason garrett was hired.

Jason garrett was hired because The jones family loves the garretts, then they researched a guy they already knew in Jason and ran him through the mill of people they knew and trusted and got positive feedback and hired him.

Those people being. Norv turner, Sean Payton and Bill parcells who all signed off on garrett.

either way, I really like the guy. laufenberg said he reminds him of a young bill walsh that he met a long time ago and he hoped Dallas wouldnt make the same mistake Cincy did in not hiring walsh because they were not sure if he was ready!!!!!

Parcells did? He wasn't even here was he?

I get the point though.

 

[CF74]

that was a major story for alot of the writers. Bill was too conservative was the first thing out of everyones mouth.

I remember that being said, I just don't recall people actually defending S. Peyton by saying that Parcells was holding him back. In any event, the S. Peyton and Garrett comparisons (As far as getting rid of them and then seeing them succeed elsewhere) just don't equate.

I will say that Garrett is a smart guy and I believe he will eventually figure it all out. He has shown improvement each year, once he learns how to adjust on the fly we will dominate the way we all know we can.

 

[theebs]

Parcells did? He wasn't even here was he?

I get the point though.

Yeah he was consulted on garret. garrett was coming on the staff whether parcells was here or not!

they did their evaluation of garrett when parcells was in limbo.

I remember listening to norm around that time and how he was told that parcells thought highly of garrett and liked him, he knew him and his family pretty well. I guess its the nj thing. Also one of parcells closest friends in the league is Mike Pope, the giants tight end coach..Garrett was in NY as a player/coach with fassell/payton and pope on that staff. So I imagine parcells asked pope about garrett to get some info...along with paytons first hand knowledge and all the rest.

norm also told the story about how Parcells thought Gary Gibbs should replace him as head coach! I guess that was as bad an idea as al groh replacing bill in NY, only jerry didnt do what parcells thought!!!

and for what its worth, jerry wanted him to be a coach here in 2000 but he wanted to continue playing so he went to ny.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah he was consulted on garret. garrett was coming on the staff whether parcells was here or not!

they did their evaluation of garrett when parcells was in limbo.

I remember listening to norm around that time and how he was told that parcells thought highly of garrett and liked him, he knew him and his family pretty well. I guess its the nj thing. Also one of parcells closest friends in the league is Mike Pope, the giants tight end coach..Garrett was in NY as a player/coach with fassell/payton and pope on that staff. So I imagine parcells asked pope about garrett to get some info...along with paytons first hand knowledge and all the rest.

norm also told the story about how Parcells thought Gary Gibbs should replace him as head coach! I guess that was as bad an idea as al groh replacing bill in NY, only jerry didnt do what parcells thought!!!

I love when I learn new stuff. Thanks.

 

[burmafrd]

Really until we had Romo there was not a QB that we had that we really would be willing to have shoulder the load.

 

[theebs]

Really until we had Romo there was not a QB that we had that we really would be willing to have shoulder the load.

thats the truth. Although I will say, until the line got destroyed in 05, bledsoe was having a good year.

but a good qb is always the most important.

Babe laufenberg has a quote from bud grant that he always repeats during broadcasts, Bud grant used to say that every coach needs an understanding wife, a good dog and a good Quarterback...!

 

[burmafrd]

Bud was a fun guy- kind of sad he lost 4 SBs.

 

[superpunk]

When people were whining back then about S. Payton, was anybody saying the Tuna was holding him back? Just curios because nobody is saying that about Wade and Garrett here today...

Parcells made a better villain. The catch 22 was that the people who hated Parcells, and claimed that he was holding his coordinators back, also wanted to claim that the only reason Parcells ever had success was because of his coordinators.

Noone thinks enough of Wade to suggest that he is influencing Garrett at all, but the truth is he probably does.