Red Exploitation

[CF74]

Hell no. No one is.

That doesn't change the fact that the expectations of him on this forum by a very vocal minority are ridiculously high. I should shut up because they don't get it?

You know me better than that.

No not shut up but possibly ask them to explain their point of view more thoroughly. The only problem with that is that you have stated that, "You don't want to understand it." And I understand your frustration. If I was the Admin I would have banned myself and half the board because patience is a virtue that flees from me..:laugh2:

You get a pass in my book with all that you have to stomach around here...

 

[Doomsday101]

I really don't think your examples are extremes RXP. Do we have an Emmitt Smith? Do we have anyone even close to that level?

If not, then we have to spread the ball around to multiple options because we cannot ride one horse until the other team collapses.

I love our weapons, but there is not one guy on this Offense who is so good that he can't be stopped the way Emmitt and that O-line carried our 90's teams.

Anyone who thinks we have those kinds of horses is not paying attention.

True but it still came down to execution 11 men on offense working like a well oiled machine. You are right we don't have that type of team but what made that team great was excellent execution they rarly put themselfs in bad situation with negitive plays or penalties.

I do believe play calling matters but as I said you can have a great game plan put together but if the team fails to execute it then that game plan means nothing.

I see situation where a team has a 3rd and 5 runs a draw and picks up the yards and fans will say what a great call yet when that play fails those same fans start hollering what an idiot the OC or HC is and how we should have passed instead. Everyone has the perfect play that would have worked after the fact.

 

[CF74]

We aren't the '90's Cowboys, but the principles I talked about still apply.

I've heard many coaches talk about how the Colts offense is relatively simple in concept. But when you have a field general like Peyton Manning executing it, it is still almost impossible to stop.

You missed the 2nd point in my post. We don't have a set of plays that we run over and over. We are still searching for our identity. Maybe it's just pass pass pass draw but we need a little more than that...

 

[Direwolf63]

I really don't think your examples are extremes RXP. Do we have an Emmitt Smith? Do we have anyone even close to that level?

If not, then we have to spread the ball around to multiple options because we cannot ride one horse until the other team collapses.

I love our weapons, but there is not one guy on this Offense who is so good that he can't be stopped the way Emmitt and that O-line carried our 90's teams.

Anyone who thinks we have those kinds of horses is not paying attention.

Of course I agree we don't have an Emmitt Smith on this team and spreading the ball around is a necessity to try to keep defenses off balance.

I just used the 90's Cowboys offense as an example to illustrate a point. I didn't mean to imply that this team is at that stage. It is an entirely different offense we have today.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Disclaimer: Any time there is a "disclaimer" it pretty much means what you're saying it's not meant to mean in your disclaimer. It's the message board way of fluffing up your effort to troll.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I really don't think your examples are extremes RXP. Do we have an Emmitt Smith? Do we have anyone even close to that level?

If not, then we have to spread the ball around to multiple options because we cannot ride one horse until the other team collapses.

I love our weapons, but there is not one guy on this Offense who is so good that he can't be stopped the way Emmitt and that O-line carried our 90's teams.

Anyone who thinks we have those kinds of horses is not paying attention.

You can't compare Emmitt with today's generation of players. He was good in the 90s and would be good today, just not as good. The same holds true for Aikman v. Romo, you just can't compare them.

 

[Hostile]

No not shut up but possibly ask them to explain their point of view more thoroughly. The only problem with that is that you have stated that, "You don't want to understand it." And I understand your frustration. If I was the Admin I would have banned myself and half the board because patience is a virtue that flees from me..:laugh2:

You get a pass in my book with all that you have to stomach around here...

IMO that happens a lot.

Let me give you an example.

3 WRs (x, y, & z), TE, RB set. Passing play.

Is there only 1 option for the QB to throw to on the given play call? Please be honest.

 

[Hostile]

Of course I agree we don't have an Emmitt Smith on this team and spreading the ball around is a necessity to try to keep defenses off balance.

I just used the 90's Cowboys offense as an example to illustrate a point. I didn't mean to imply that this team is at that stage. It is an entirely different offense we have today.

I was agreeing with you. Your point is excellent. Teams could know exactly what we were doing and could not stop it. That is execution.

We don't have that luxury with this team.

 

[Direwolf63]

I was agreeing with you. Your point is excellent. Teams could know exactly what we were doing and could not stop it. That is execution.

We don't have that luxury with this team.

Sorry. Carry on.

 

[Hoofbite]

Aw, so you admit no one pointed full blame on execution as you previously declared with toothbrush and rifle in hand.

Sorry for the exaggeration officer. Can I please get off with a warning this time?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I was agreeing with you. Your point is excellent. Teams could know exactly what we were doing and could not stop it. That is execution.

We don't have that luxury with this team.

This was true. It seems that Garrett is a little stubborn in that sense. That is my only issue with him.


Also, I do wonder why Garrett doesnt use Roy as a jumpball man in red zone just once in a while. Or Bennett for that matter.

 

[Hostile]

Sorry for the exaggeration officer. Can I please get off with a warning this time?

No warnings. No soup for you.

 

[Hoofbite]

No warnings. No soup for you.

Haha......

That episode is great.

 

[Hostile]

Haha......

That episode is great.

One of the greatest ever. It comes on, I turn the phone off.

 

[Scranton Tiger]

So I was listening to Sirius NFL Radio on the way home today and enjoyed a very interesting interview with Jim Caldwell. When asked his opinion of Sean Payton he said (& I loosely paraphrase) .

That made me wonder about Garrett. So let me wonder out loud. Do you think he has reached the level where his game planning includes exploiting weaknesses or do you think he is still at the level of just hoping the game plan he put together is a winner on Sunday? How deep do you think he has progresses in the weekly phase of planning for the big game?

Disclaimer #1: This is in no way, shape, or form meant to be a jab thread at Garrett.

Disclaimer #2: This is in no way, shape, or form meant to be a jab thread at Jerry for letting Payton walk.

Please discuss.

More than anything else, I think he is still learning just like Romo. Garrett has only been a coordinator for three years. Payton has a ton of experience and growing pains of his own. Remember the 34-7 loss to Baltimore in the Super Bowl and those 7 came from the special teams. Anyway, it takes time. Just like it does for a QB. JMO

 

[CF74]

IMO that happens a lot.

Let me give you an example.

3 WRs (x, y, & z), TE, RB set. Passing play.

Is there only 1 option for the QB to throw to on the given play call? Please be honest.

Why temptest thou me? We both know the answer to this loaded question. The play might be designed to go to a certain player but pressure and all other kinds of intangibles might dictate otherwise...

 

[Rampage]

This was true. It seems that Garrett is a little stubborn in that sense. That is my only issue with him.


Also, I do wonder why Garrett doesnt use Roy as a jumpball man in red zone just once in a while. Or Bennett for that matter.

Romo doesn't throw a good jump ball.

 

[Hostile]

Why temptest thou me? We both know the answer to this loaded question. The play might be designed to go to a certain player but pressure and all other kinds of intangibles might dictate otherwise...

Exactly.

So, now take it to the next logical conclusion. How can you, I, or any fan or member of the media know whether the PLAY CALL was bad on that given play?

Even if there is a turnover, how is that a bad play call? Are you telling me that on the sidelines Garrett instructs Romo to throw it to the Defense?

That is exactly what Ernie Zampese meant by saying play calling is too easy a scapegoat and often wrong.

Is there no room to ever give the opposing Defense credit for a good play? Is there no room to say execution contributes?

You know there is. It is symbiotic, remember?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Romo doesn't throw a good jump ball.

He cant learn?
He cant practice it?

Is it out of the question?

 

[Rampage]

He cant learn?
He cant practice it?

Is it out of the question?

I've been hoping to see it ever since we got Bennett than I really wanted to see it when we got Roy. I guess we'll see next season.