Red Exploitation

[CF74]

Exactly.

So, now take it to the next logical conclusion. How can you, I, or any fan or member of the media know whether the PLAY CALL was bad on that given play?

Even if there is a turnover, how is that a bad play call? Are you telling me that on the sidelines Garrett instructs Romo to throw it to the Defense?

That is exactly what Ernie Zampese meant by saying play calling is too easy a scapegoat and often wrong.

Is there no room to ever give the opposing Defense credit for a good play? Is there no room to say execution contributes?

You know there is. It is symbiotic, remember?

The play calling crowd (Or at least the majority of it) is not talking about isolated incidents. We are talking about an entire series of plays. Like the example I listed earlier, the one you didn't feel like laboring over which consisted of 4 back to back runs on the goal line. And I'm not so convinced that some of those situations weren't on Wade. There are many other examples that you refuse to even look at partner...

 

[Hostile]

The play calling crowd (Or at least the majority of it) is not talking about isolated incidents. We are talking about an entire series of plays. Like the example I listed earlier, the one you didn't feel like laboring over which consisted of 4 back to back runs on the gaol line. And I'm not so convinced that some of those situations weren't on Wade. There are many other examples that you refuse to even look at partner...

If the Cowboys had scored it was great play calling though right? Because they took the punches and kept punching back.

Convenient amigo.

 

[CF74]

If the Cowboys had scored it was great play calling though right? Because they took the punches and kept punching back.

Convenient amigo.

What is the definition of insanity? Like I said it may have been Wade's decision but Garrett gets all the blame when stuff like that happens.

 

[Hostile]

What is the definition of insanity? Like I said it may have been Wade's decision but Garrett gets all the blame when stuff like that happens.

I don't care who gets the blame. That is something I do not look for like I need a blame fix.

The bottom line is most people who are singling out play calling are two faced hypocrites. If we had scored on 4th and goal Garrrett and/or Wade and certainly Barber would have been praised for their guts.

It's the same damned play call whether it succeeds or fails. If the only criteria for good is success and the only criteria for bad is failure then what I continue to maintain about people never getting it should be irrefutable by now.

Good or bad takes away all notion that the opposing defense had anything to do with the outcome. It's monumentally stupid.

If Romo gets sacked on 3rd and long does that mean the play call was bad? That is the exact mentality here. How anyone cannot see it is really beyond me.

You asked earlier if I held Garrett's feet to the fire ever. Hell yes. I personally don't like the Razorback. Does that mean it's a bad play call? No, but I don't like it. I don't want the ball out of Romo's hands on any play. I think Garrett is wrong to use it.

It wouldn't matter to me if it resulted in a 40 yard run. I still would not like the play call because I don't think we're good enough at it to justify it. I really didn't like the reverse out of the Razorback that lost like 13 yards.

I don't like when we don't blitz on 3rd and long. I don't like when we throw it short of 1st down on 3rd down. I never like going for a FG on 4th and inches. Ever. Even if we make the FG I don't like it.

But I refuse to sit on my high horse and act like I know it was a bad play call when NO ONE does.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't like when we don't blitz on 3rd and long. I don't like when we throw it short of 1st down on 3rd down. I never like going for a FG on 4th and inches. Ever. Even if we make the FG I don't like it.

Great points. I'm constantly complaining about those every game I watch. Another one to add is the delay draw on 2nd down after a incomplete pass on 1st down. Opposing defenses seem to have that one figured out.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I think the majority of the issues on offense is POOR EXECUTION, not Garrett game planning or calling.

I've been saying this the entire season. Thank you.

Blaming play-calling is one thing if you can give a reason as to why it's bad, and what should have been done instead.

Blaming play-calling because a play doesnt net you 10 yards, or score a TD is hogwash.

 

[NextGenBoys]

This was true. It seems that Garrett is a little stubborn in that sense. That is my only issue with him.


Also, I do wonder why Garrett doesnt use Roy as a jumpball man in red zone just once in a while. Or Bennett for that matter.

I call it believing in your system and believing in your players to execute the task at hand.

But yes, he can be stubborn.

 

[Trendnet]

This was true. It seems that Garrett is a little stubborn in that sense. That is my only issue with him.


Also, I do wonder why Garrett doesnt use Roy as a jumpball man in red zone just once in a while. Or Bennett for that matter.

Didn't the Cowboys do that? And failed? Of course the masses screamed... "run the ball"!

The Cowboys ran the ball... and failed. The masses screamed "Pass the ball!"

Seems to me, maybe its the execution and not the play calling.

 

[Cover 2]

I've been saying this the entire season. Thank you.

Blaming play-calling is one thing if you can give a reason as to why it's bad, and what should have been done instead.

Blaming play-calling because a play doesnt net you 10 yards, or score a TD is hogwash.

What do you think needs to happen in order for the offense to improve?

 

[CF74]

I don't care who gets the blame. That is something I do not look for like I need a blame fix.

The bottom line is most people who are singling out play calling are two faced hypocrites. If we had scored on 4th and goal Garrrett and/or Wade and certainly Barber would have been praised for their guts.

It's the same damned play call whether it succeeds or fails. If the only criteria for good is success and the only criteria for bad is failure then what I continue to maintain about people never getting it should be irrefutable by now.

Good or bad takes away all notion that the opposing defense had anything to do with the outcome. It's monumentally stupid.

If Romo gets sacked on 3rd and long does that mean the play call was bad? That is the exact mentality here. How anyone cannot see it is really beyond me.

You asked earlier if I held Garrett's feet to the fire ever. Hell yes. I personally don't like the Razorback. Does that mean it's a bad play call? No, but I don't like it. I don't want the ball out of Romo's hands on any play. I think Garrett is wrong to use it.

It wouldn't matter to me if it resulted in a 40 yard run. I still would not like the play call because I don't think we're good enough at it to justify it. I really didn't like the reverse out of the Razorback that lost like 13 yards.

I don't like when we don't blitz on 3rd and long. I don't like when we throw it short of 1st down on 3rd down. I never like going for a FG on 4th and inches. Ever. Even if we make the FG I don't like it.

But I refuse to sit on my high horse and act like I know it was a bad play call when NO ONE does.

My point isn't about blame, it's about breaking down what doesn't work. Running a specific Sequence of plays back to back takes away the element of surprise and the end result is typically a defensive stuff. Doing this does not put your players in a position to succeed but doing this is ONE, not all of the problems with our offense. You keep talking about ONE play, we are talking about a SEQUENCE of plays.

Execution has little to do with running the same sequence of plays 3 or 4 times in a row and failing. Play calling in this situation is the culprit and it doesn't give you an edge, it gives the defense the edge because they know what's coming.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It's a cop-out to blame every poor play on the players failing to execute. Even Zampese knew that -- he was talking about overly emotional or just plain dumb fans using hindsight more than anything else.

Like Hoofbite said, if playcalling were so unimportant, coaches could just use a random play generator to call the plays. After all, every play is a touchdown when you draw it up on the whiteboard.

Besides, half the time when execution is poor it's due to poor preparation long beforehand. That's not on the players, it's on the coaches as well.

 

[Bleu Star]

Disclaimer: Any time there is a "disclaimer" it pretty much means what you're saying it's not meant to mean in your disclaimer. It's the message board way of fluffing up your effort to troll.

Disclaimer: When you take time to focus on the disclaimer instead of the meat of the post you look shallow.

FWIW You're totally wrong.

I, personally, was pissed off when we lost to the Vikes and probably said a few things I shouldn't have out of anger but after a few days went by I began to realize the value of what we have that got us to where we made it to. I totally see the potential in Garrett and look forward to his growth with the team wrong boy.

Anger gone. Bleu back to normal.. Sorta.

 

[Hostile]

My point isn't about blame, it's about breaking down what doesn't work. Running a specific Sequence of plays back to back takes away the element of surprise and the end result is typically a defensive stuff. Doing this does not put your players in a position to succeed but doing this is ONE, not all of the problems with our offense. You keep talking about ONE play, we are talking about a SEQUENCE of plays.

Execution has little to do with running the same sequence of plays 3 or 4 times in a row and failing. Play calling in this situation is the culprit and it doesn't give you an edge, it gives the defense the edge because they know what's coming.

I am not understanding at all. Are you saying it will never work to run the ball 4 times when within 1 or 2 yards of the goal line? Ever? I find that pretty suspect.

Same as the idea they knew what we were going to run. They did a good job stopping it. I have no problem giving credit where it is due.

 

[Hostile]

It's a cop-out to blame every poor play on the players failing to execute. Even Zampese knew that -- he was talking about overly emotional or just plain dumb fans using hindsight more than anything else.

Like Hoofbite said, if playcalling were so unimportant, coaches could just use a random play generator to call the plays. After all, every play is a touchdown when you draw it up on the whiteboard.

Besides, half the time when execution is poor it's due to poor preparation long beforehand. That's not on the players, it's on the coaches as well.

No one has.

 

[NextGenBoys]

What do you think needs to happen in order for the offense to improve?

In short?

Our offensive line needs to succeed at doing their job, and EVERYTHING else will fall into place.

That has been our downfall every. single. season. for the past three seasons. And when you can't block up front, it doesnt matter WHAT play you call.

That being said, Garrett needs to find a better balance of trying to out strategize, and going right at them. I would also like to see more designed deep routes like we saw against NO and Philly, but again with poor blocking, you're not going to call too many of those.

 

[CF74]

I am not understanding at all. Are you saying it will never work to run the ball 4 times when within 1 or 2 yards of the goal line? Ever? I find that pretty suspect.

Same as the idea they knew what we were going to run. They did a good job stopping it. I have no problem giving credit where it is due.

Never is not a word I'd use to often but we've had several situations where we got stuffed in short yardage situations this season and countless redzone opportunities fell by the wayside. If we are going to run the ball 4 times in a row, at least disguise it after it fails on the 3rd attempt. Again this is a small sample of a chronic problem..

 

[Doomsday101]

Romo doesn't throw a good jump ball.

Which is something he needs to work on. With big tall WR like Williams and an athletic TE such as Bennett that is a pass that Tony needs to develop better

 

[Hostile]

Never is not a word I'd use to often but we've had several situations where we got stuffed in short yardage situations this season and countless redzone opportunities fell by the wayside. If we are going to run the ball 4 times in a row, at least disguise it after it fails on the 3rd attempt. Again this is a small sample of a chronic problem..

Aha, finally getting to the root of the issue. We haven't had success in short yardage despite having a bruiser for a RB.

Not play calling at fault then is it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Aha, finally getting to the root of the issue. We haven't had success in short yardage despite having a bruiser for a RB.

Not play calling at fault then is it.

I see short yardage problem one that is about execution. When you have 1 yard to go with 3 downs there is no reason a team should not be able to get a push to allow the back to gain that 1 yard. OL knows the snap count the DL doesn't the OL should be able to fire out low and gain that push.

 

[Hostile]

I see short yardage problem one that is about execution. When you have 1 yard to go with 3 downs there is no reason a team should not be able to get a push to allow the back to gain that 1 yard. OL knows the snap count the DL doesn't the OL should be able to fire out low and gain that push.

That whole drive we ate up yardage on the run. Then we could not punch it in. I don't really grasp how that became bad play calling as opposed to bad execution or good defense.

That is the problem I have with the bad play calling angle, it completely discredits the defense you are playing.