CFZ Remember: Jerry doesn’t think like we do

[Jumbo075]

What befuddles me, is why an opinion given about Jerry not seemingly being as motivated as fans to win is called “bashing him”. My original point was he doesn’t think like we do as fans.

I said nothing about his character or his family. Just an opinion. I don’t hate Jerry. I just really hate the results he has given us in the playoffs the last nearly three decades. He has said he wants to win badly. And I believe that. Just not bad enough to make a change at the top.

And since you mentioned the 19 teams who have not won a SB in the same time frame as us…let me also share an even more startling stat: There are actually a whopping 22 teams who have more playoff wins than we do the last 23 seasons. In fact here are the teams who have MORE playoff wins than the 4 playoff wins we have this century:

• Cardinals- 5
• Chargers- 5
• Bengals-5
• Vikings- 5
• Titans- 5
• Jets- 6
• Falcons- 6
• Broncos- 7
• Bucs- 8
• Panthers- 8
• Rams- 10
• Saints-10
• giants- 11
• Niners- 12
• Chiefs-12
• Colts- 13
• Seahawks-14
• Pack- 14
• Steelers-15
• Ravens-16
• egirls- 16
• Patriots- 30

We are third in our own division in playoff wins this century. We’ve won less playoff games this century than the freakin’ jets!

Look. I want the Cowboys to win and I will celebrate with gusto when they finally win a divisional playoff game, an NFC championship game and a SB. I said in the OP and several time in this thread that the FO has done a good job the last few years building a roster. But I can’t just pretend that we shouldn’t have done better over the last three decades and act as if our GM/emperor has clothes. He doesn’t.

No problem. But you can’t see into Jerry’s heart any more than anybody else. You assume the Cowboys would be more successful with a different GM, but that is just an assumption, not a fact.

Would you be happier if Jerry was not only unsuccessful at winning games, but also unsuccessful financially. I don’t think his money making acumen has anything to do at all with him not winning Super Bowls. He’s just not good at winning Super Bowls. Money doesn’t come into the picture. If it did, Jerry would win the Super Bowl every year.

 

[Cowboys5217]

No problem. But you can’t see into Jerry’s heart any more than anybody else. You assume the Cowboys would be more successful with a different GM, but that is just an assumption, not a fact.

Would you be happier if Jerry was not only unsuccessful at winning games, but also unsuccessful financially. I don’t think his money making acumen has anything to do at all with him not winning Super Bowls. He’s just not good at winning Super Bowls. Money doesn’t come into the picture. If it did, Jerry would win the Super Bowl every year.

It is a pretty STRONG assumption that the Cowboys would have done better with a fan from the stands at GM the last 27 years. I think you could've GM'ed this team better than Jerry by putting decisions in a hat and picking them blindfolded. Sheer random chance would have better odds than Jerry.

We also have the stark difference in Jimmy controlling the Cowboys versus Jerry.

It is also not hard to look into Jerry's heart just, read the article I posted recently in this thread.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The whole premise here is weird. I completely reject that there is a unified "us" that thinks the same to compare Jerry to.

 

[Bobhaze]

No problem. But you can’t see into Jerry’s heart any more than anybody else. You assume the Cowboys would be more successful with a different GM, but that is just an assumption, not a fact.

Would you be happier if Jerry was not only unsuccessful at winning games, but also unsuccessful financially. I don’t think his money making acumen has anything to do at all with him not winning Super Bowls. He’s just not good at winning Super Bowls. Money doesn’t come into the picture. If it did, Jerry would win the Super Bowl every year.

Jumbo, as I said earlier, my opinions on Jerry are neither personal nor hateful. As you said, I don’t know his heart or pretend to. But I do know his playoff record as a GM. And it has been dismal the last qtr century. As much as I love the Cowboys, it’s just frustrating to see a genius businessman also think he’s a football genius, with 4 playoff wins this century to prove it.

I appreciate your opinions as a great Cowboys fan with well written posts. We just disagree on this one. No problem at all.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I wonder if jerry still thinks any one of 500 hc's can coach cowboys to a SB ??
Heck he thought garrett could lol.

He's finding 500 coaches that can't coach the team to a SB. lol

 

[Diehardblues]

It is a pretty STRONG assumption that the Cowboys would have done better with a fan from the stands at GM the last 27 years. I think you could've GM'ed this team better than Jerry by putting decisions in a hat and picking them blindfolded. Sheer random chance would have better odds than Jerry.

We also have the stark difference in Jimmy controlling the Cowboys versus Jerry.

It is also not hard to look into Jerry's heart just, read the article I posted recently in this thread.

The bigger argument is while there is no guarantee another GM would have done better there is at least the opportunity we could have eventually found one who did. Much like we continue trying to find a HC who has the opportunity to have more success.

The fact we’ve stayed with the same GM without having more success has arguably limited our opportunities.

 

[Diehardblues]

No problem. But you can’t see into Jerry’s heart any more than anybody else. You assume the Cowboys would be more successful with a different GM, but that is just an assumption, not a fact.

Would you be happier if Jerry was not only unsuccessful at winning games, but also unsuccessful financially. I don’t think his money making acumen has anything to do at all with him not winning Super Bowls. He’s just not good at winning Super Bowls. Money doesn’t come into the picture. If it did, Jerry would win the Super Bowl every year.

It’s difficult for me to believe you wouldn't agree that if we’d continued to bring in other qualified GM’s it might have increased our opportunities to finally have broken thru. Much like we have continued attempting to find the right fit at HC.

To Jethro’s credit he’s fared about as well as half of the leagues GM’s who operated in a more normal manner. But as he even admitted he’d of fired a GM with his record is also why it’s limited our opportunities to finally find a better GM.

And why these other teams who haven’t had any more success at least have that opportunity. I’m just not sure how any Cowboy fan can still believe this 80 year old basically part time GM is what’s best for Cowboys Football. ,

Personally I’d of had no problem with Jethro as our owner without being our GM. I truly believe he could have been one of the greatest owners in NFL history. He certainly was on his way with Jimmy but his ego got in the way.

I have no issue with his financial success and like in our earlier eras I had no problem with the popularity and everything attached for bragging rights with the level of success we were having on the field.

But I’d argue that many of the brilliant revenue streams Jethro has been instrumental in developing since Jimmy parted which had to benefit the rest of the league including himself were motivated by the need to maintain his stranglehold on operating Cowboys Football without the level of success needed in prior era to maintain the revenue and popularity.

These new revenue streams have enabled him to continue his ways without suffering any financial fallout with lesser success on the field. It’s also been a concern that wearing both hats of an owner and GM is a conflict of interest. It has appeared there has been GM decisions that have possibly been made that may benefit our financial position more than the team. He’s even stated that maintaining relevance and interest is the utmost priority.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jumbo, as I said earlier, my opinions on Jerry are neither personal nor hateful. As you said, I don’t know his heart or pretend to. But I do know his playoff record as a GM. And it has been dismal the last qtr century. As much as I love the Cowboys, it’s just frustrating to see a genius businessman also think he’s a football genius, with 4 playoff wins this century to prove it.

I appreciate your opinions as a great Cowboys fan with well written posts. We just disagree on this one. No problem at all.

I believe based on following him for 34 years now with all of the interviews , comments, emotions and actions he’s taken we can look into his heart.

He’s obviously very passionate about his lifelong desire to be a celebrity football guy. I’d also argue it’s not just about the money. The money simply provides for him to continue pursuing his passion.

He has to know someone could potentially do better. He s already seen someone like Jimmy who did. But that success wasn’t enough for him if he wasn’t the focal point and face of his team receiving the credit he was seeking.

We all know, well at least most of us , that this is what’s in his heart. It’s a very driving passion to succeed . But it has to be his way. Some may see that as a strength . And it might be in most business.

 

[rambo2]

No problem. But you can’t see into Jerry’s heart any more than anybody else. You assume the Cowboys would be more successful with a different GM, but that is just an assumption, not a fact.

Would you be happier if Jerry was not only unsuccessful at winning games, but also unsuccessful financially. I don’t think his money making acumen has anything to do at all with him not winning Super Bowls. He’s just not good at winning Super Bowls. Money doesn’t come into the picture. If it did, Jerry would win the Super Bowl every year.

He won 3 Super Bowls. Who is good at it?

 

[rambo2]

The bigger argument is while there is no guarantee another GM would have done better there is at least the opportunity we could have eventually found one who did. Much like we continue trying to find a HC who has the opportunity to have more success.

The fact we’ve stayed with the same GM without having more success has arguably limited our opportunities.

They haven't limited the opportunities lately.

 

[rambo2]

Jumbo, as I said earlier, my opinions on Jerry are neither personal nor hateful. As you said, I don’t know his heart or pretend to. But I do know his playoff record as a GM. And it has been dismal the last qtr century. As much as I love the Cowboys, it’s just frustrating to see a genius businessman also think he’s a football genius, with 4 playoff wins this century to prove it.

I appreciate your opinions as a great Cowboys fan with well written posts. We just disagree on this one. No problem at all.

How about the present? They won a playoff game last year. They won 13 games last year. It looks like they have a better team this year.

 

[Bobhaze]

How about the present? They won a playoff game last year. They won 13 games last year. It looks like they have a better team this year.

I’m excited about this year’s team. Hoping it’s a special year. But it’s the NFL ram…no guarantees. It’s why they play the games.

 

[rambo2]

I’m excited about this year’s team. Hoping it’s a special year. But it’s the NFL ram…no guarantees. It’s why they play the games.

That's what makes it fun and exciting. I love it. The ride is a huge part of the fun. After long dry spells it makes winning so much sweeter.

 

[kskboys]

No problem. But you can’t see into Jerry’s heart any more than anybody else. You assume the Cowboys would be more successful with a different GM, but that is just an assumption, not a fact.

Would you be happier if Jerry was not only unsuccessful at winning games, but also unsuccessful financially. I don’t think his money making acumen has anything to do at all with him not winning Super Bowls. He’s just not good at winning Super Bowls. Money doesn’t come into the picture. If it did, Jerry would win the Super Bowl every year.

Assume?

Man, I'm just not getting your line of thinking here. We have a failure at GM. But, because you're not sure anyone could do better, you are OK w/ more failure.

I cannot comprehend how that even makes sense.

 

[kskboys]

He won 3 Super Bowls. Who is good at it?

Bill Belichick. Andy Reid. Howie Roseman.

 

[rambo2]

Bill Belichick. Andy Reid. Howie Roseman.

Howie Roseman has won 1 Super Bowl. Andy Reid is a great coach. It took him 20 years to win his 1st Super Bowl.

 

[Diehardblues]

They haven't limited the opportunities lately.

Actually they have or they would have won more than 1 playoff game the last 2 years.

 

[DandyDon52]

How about the present? They won a playoff game last year.

lol , you should have omitted that part, sounds kinda pitiful.
They won a wc game against the worst team in the playoffs, nothing to brag about.

 

[rambo2]

Actually they have or they would have won more than 1 playoff game the last 2 years.

They won 1 last year. How many teams won 1? How many teams won a playoff game on the road? Then they made some improvements for this year. It's going to be a fun and entertaining season.

 

[rambo2]

lol , you should have omitted that part, sounds kinda pitiful.
They won a wc game against the worst team in the playoffs, nothing to brag about.

Lol, and a whole bunch of people just cry and *****. What a pitiful way to live.