Reminder: Michael Irvin on Tony Romo

[zrinkill]

Whatever will Wade do without that respect!?!?

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[juck]

Lets see what Irvin says today.lol. Romo sucks.

 

[Hostile]

Lets see what Irvin says today.lol. Romo sucks.

We needed more of this nonsense in other threads. Thank you.

 

[zrinkill]

Lets see what Irvin says today.lol. Romo sucks.

Irvin is not a flip flopping dandelion.

 

[theebs]

Righttttttttt! He's really laying it thick on the guy who we all know cost us this game. The secondary had it problems but they actually kept us in the game in making the Giants settle for field goals. Where the blame for Romo?

I already understand that you do not get it. I'll bet you a buck that if you ask theebs if Tony Romo is blameless for the loss last night (that is what absolve means) he will agree with me and disagree with you.

Yes, he is defending the guy, but he is not absolving him as you claimed. No one is.

I am not excusing romo's mistakes at all. Not by any stretch. WHat I am saying is, even when he makes mistakes he hangs in there and moves the ball in the end he always has. In the most crucial of moments he completed that third and 8 to witten and we went down the field behind barber and the line and scored.

The defense was bailed out last week from playing a poor qb, there were open wr all over the field last week, leftwich missed them. Last night Manning was superb. And as good as he was he missed some open guys also. IN the third qtr newman and sensebaugh blew a coverage and allowed boss to the back of the endzone uncovered, manning didnt see it and threw underneath incomplete. That has nothing to do with us making stops.

There were alot of bad bounces and mistakes from the offense, but good teams ride their defense. Defense is the backbone of a team. They made poor play after poor play yesterday. The front 7 was good for awhile, they were selling out to stop the run big time and we paid for that.

so again, put me in a box all you want, but as hostile said I am not absolving romo of any blame. I just happen to believe in the guy 110%, I believe if he has the ball late good things will happen, and that is just not romo but the whole offense I think they are fighters and they play for 60 minutes and have the ability to shake off mistakes.

ON the other side of the field the defense looks lazy at times and never plays a complete game. Veteran players are making critical mistakes extending drives and getting us beat. they all hang their head when things go bad they do not seem to have the drive to pick themselves up when bad things start happening. Last night the prime example was we score, then get the giants in third down and have the crowd roaring and everything going for us and carpenter gets a holding, then newman gets a PI.

To me a defensive penalty, especially on third down is the same as an offensive turnover.

The team lost this game. No question. Its a little bit of everyone. But in my mind, its the offense that never gives in to the fight and I think that reflects on the players and the coaches on that side of the ball. The other side I dont think much of.

 

[Hostile]

I am not excusing romo's mistakes at all. Not by any stretch. WHat I am saying is, even when he makes mistakes he hangs in there and moves the ball in the end he always has. In the most crucial of moments he completed that third and 8 to witten and we went down the field behind barber and the line and scored.

The defense was bailed out last week from playing a poor qb, there were open wr all over the field last week, leftwich missed them. Last night Manning was superb. And as good as he was he missed some open guys also. IN the third qtr newman and sensebaugh blew a coverage and allowed boss to the back of the endzone uncovered, manning didnt see it and threw underneath incomplete. That has nothing to do with us making stops.

There were alot of bad bounces and mistakes from the offense, but good teams ride their defense. Defense is the backbone of a team. They made poor play after poor play yesterday. The front 7 was good for awhile, they were selling out to stop the run big time and we paid for that.

so again, put me in a box all you want, but as hostile said I am not absolving romo of any blame. I just happen to believe in the guy 110%, I believe if he has the ball late good things will happen, and that is just not romo but the whole offense I think they are fighters and they play for 60 minutes and have the ability to shake off mistakes.

ON the other side of the field the defense looks lazy at times and never plays a complete game. Veteran players are making critical mistakes extending drives and getting us beat. they all hang their head when things go bad they do not seem to have the drive to pick themselves up when bad things start happening. Last night the prime example was we score, then get the giants in third down and have the crowd roaring and everything going for us and carpenter gets a holding, then newman gets a PI.

To me a defensive penalty, especially on third down is the same as an offensive turnover.

The team lost this game. No question. Its a little bit of everyone. But in my mind, its the offense that never gives in to the fight and I think that reflects on the players and the coaches on that side of the ball. The other side I dont think much of.

You are supposed to wait until he bets me the buck.



He finally got it though, so I wouldn't have won anyway.

 

[jobberone]

I don't know why it annoys me so to see all the panic game day and post game after a loss. There's too much defending, blaming and agendas for me. Just like all things there are often pros and cons with situations. This is one. There are a lot of good things that came out of that game.

1. They played hard all night on both sides of the ball.

2. The STs played pretty well which is a big plus.

3. Despite no real pass rush (give credit to NYG on this one) the defense didn't give up too many points.

4. The run defense was nearly dominating which is quite a feat against NY

5. The offense scored enough to win the game despite the TOs

6. The offense scored when it had to.

7. The running game was dominating

8. The coaching was superb in areas....yeah some won't buy that

9. The defense was stout in the red zone for the most part

The cons are:

1. We lost. When you turn the ball over three times you often lose

2. Romo wasn't throwing the ball as well as usual. Forget stats. Watch the game.

3. Three turnovers are on Tony. The first was forgiveable. The ball got away from him. Not a errant pass but it just got away from him. The second int was a fluke but still on him. It was an errant pass aided by a fluke into an INT. The third was prototypical Tony. That was a mental error. The fumble was caused by a strip. That's a good play on NYs part.

4. The defense was good at times and great at times. But it failed to stop the other team when it needed to. That's a big fail and that ones on the players and coaches especially Wade and more esp on Campo and Jerry. It's Wade's defense. Jerry built it and it was more on the secondary which is Campo. That's the biggest disappointment for me behind Romo's INT. The last drive the biggest but they failed to stop them on every turnover.

You can't just say Romo sucks or look at one facet. You have to look at the overall picture over time. That last INT bothered me and Tony has to cut those out of his game. The other two INTs are part of football as was the fumble. But I will criticize them for having 4 TOs in a big game. They're all big but some are bigger than others. This was a BIG game.

The world is still turning and the sun shining. We will play again next week. There will come a day when you can't watch the Dallas Cowboys and that will be a time for mourning. Until then enjoy the game.

 

[adbutcher]

Righttttttttt! He's really laying it thick on the guy who we all know cost us this game. The secondary had it problems but they actually kept us in the game in making the Giants settle for field goals. Where the blame for Romo?

Dig as you must but you won't end up in China, just in a deeper hole.

 

[adbutcher]

I don't know why it annoys me so to see all the panic game day and post game after a loss. There's too much defending, blaming and agendas for me. Just like all things there are often pros and cons with situations. This is one. There are a lot of good things that came out of that game.

1. They played hard all night on both sides of the ball.

2. The STs played pretty well which is a big plus.

3. Despite no real pass rush (give credit to NYG on this one) the defense didn't give up too many points.

4. The run defense was nearly dominating which is quite a feat against NY

5. The offense scored enough to win the game despite the TOs

6. The offense scored when it had to.

7. The running game was dominating

8. The coaching was superb in areas....yeah some won't buy that

9. The defense was stout in the red zone for the most part

The cons are:

1. We lost. When you turn the ball over three times you often lose

2. Romo wasn't throwing the ball as well as usual. Forget stats. Watch the game.

3. Three turnovers are on Tony. The first was forgiveable. The ball got away from him. Not a errant pass but it just got away from him. The second int was a fluke but still on him. It was an errant pass aided by a fluke into an INT. The third was prototypical Tony. That was a mental error. The fumble was caused by a strip. That's a good play on NYs part.

4. The defense was good at times and great at times. But it failed to stop the other team when it needed to. That's a big fail and that ones on the players and coaches especially Wade and more esp on Campo and Jerry. It's Wade's defense. Jerry built it and it was more on the secondary which is Campo. That's the biggest disappointment for me behind Romo's INT. The last drive the biggest but they failed to stop them on every turnover.

You can't just say Romo sucks or look at one facet. You have to look at the overall picture over time. That last INT bothered me and Tony has to cut those out of his game. The other two INTs are part of football as was the fumble. But I will criticize them for having 4 TOs in a big game. They're all big but some are bigger than others. This was a BIG game.

The world is still turning and the sun shining. We will play again next week. There will come a day when you can't watch the Dallas Cowboys and that will be a time for mourning. Until then enjoy the game.

Folks this is one hell of a post. Job, I agree with every word. The game had all of the mechanics of a complete blow out yet we loss. Unfortunately, in today's NFL it happens.

Currently, it is way too early to panic and jump ship especially since we don't have an answer on speed dial.

 

[Hoofbite]

Which begs the question from me, why did we not call a couple of timeouts once they were in FG range to have some time on the clock?

Yeah, kind of odd the way it played. Almost like Wade had never been in that position before.

Dallas end the game with 2 timeouts in hand? I don't count the "freeze" move as using a timeout.

Could have gotten the ball back with at least a minute.

 

[CutMeMick]

It's just feeding the illusion that is Romo. Yes, he is going to look good, just like that good looking girl, until you find out that she has herpes. That's what Romo is; a smoking hot girl with genital herpes. On the outside, there's no reason why you shouldn't be with her but once you get that special alone time after spending all this money on a date you just end up getting burned in the end.

I on the other hand have withdrawn my expectations from Romo. I really wanted to believe, I really did. I bought into it after week 1, but I just can't do it anymore. I don't know what the answer is, but it ain't Romo.

" Thats what Romo is; a smoking hot girl with genital herpes "!!!!

Spot on, JonJon.

 

[skinsscalper]

Hmmm, I wonder how many ways Irvin will be singing Romo's praises today.

 

[NextGenBoys]

4. The defense was good at times and great at times. But it failed to stop the other team when it needed to. That's a big fail and that ones on the players and coaches especially Wade and more esp on Campo and Jerry. It's Wade's defense. Jerry built it and it was more on the secondary which is Campo. That's the biggest disappointment for me behind Romo's INT. The last drive the biggest but they failed to stop them on every turnover.

You can't just say Romo sucks or look at one facet. You have to look at the overall picture over time. That last INT bothered me and Tony has to cut those out of his game. The other two INTs are part of football as was the fumble. But I will criticize them for having 4 TOs in a big game. They're all big but some are bigger than others. This was a BIG game.

Great points, and I've been trying to articulate that exxact thing, except I've been too mad to do so.

 

[hutru01]

Thank you.

Now, lets mention that Brady was 23-47 today (sub 50% completion percentage) for a mere 216 yards with no TD's and a pick, and the Pats lost to the Jets.

QB's have bad days. It's just when our's has a bad day, he's horrible, the worst ever, and should be benched for Jon Kitna, and we should trade out entire draft to pick Sam Bradford.

uh, Tom Brady has been to 4 Superbowls and won 3. You can't compare Romo to Brady (not to mention he had a season ending injury last year, so therefore he hasn't played in over a year). He has somewhat of an excuse. QBs like Brady have already "proven" themselves, just like Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Ben Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner, should I go on?

Until Romo plays well consistently when it matters, he will be considered a good quarterback, but not great.

I don't necessarily think that Romo should be benched or let go, but the excessive jock riding should be over with. It is time for him to prove himself and for us as fans to stop having to make excuses for why he makes mistakes in big games and hasn't been a clutch performer.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I'll start by saying I'm as mad as anyone that we lost.

I don't know how the players can handle the pressure to play. Last week, Romo finally got it - 350+ yards, no bad throws TDs everywhere, Roy Williams showed hed's the next TO, and for the love of all that's good in the world the Cowboys should give up on that overpaid first round pick and just play Scandrick. My how things change in a week.

The only thing I take away is that we had 4 turnovers, no sacks, terrible bounces, gave away the middle of the field to Steve Smith and the Giants - the media favorite to win the East - still needed a last second field goal to be us. A lot of what happened can be corrected.

You should post more often. There are too many people that fail to realize that with 2 minutes to go we were up 1 point. One INT, fumble or 4 and out and we can take a knee and let the clock run out. And we still lost this game by running for 200 yards, turning it over 4 times and not getting any turnovers or sacks.

Looking at the bright side of things, the thing that everyone thought was a liability, the running game, has shredding defenses apart, and take out the Phillips/Witten INT (which couldn't be duplicated in 1,000,000 more passing attempts), and we dominated the LOS on O and D. It is the passing O and D that is the enigma. And I believe with a pass rush we will start seeing turnovers on D. I also would like to see our D start scraping for the football on Defense like we all see the Ravens and Steelers teams do. I have mad props for Garrett scoring 31 points without any possessions on our side of the field. I wouldn't mind bringing in another Defensive Consultant for Wade, because this experiment is failing EPICLY without another coach on defense to take Stewarts spot...

 

[CutMeMick]

Its really quite simple: This a TEAM game, so its not all on Romo.

HOWEVER.....he hasn't shown the capability to step up & WILL a team
to victory.
Big Ben, Eli, not to mention Brady, Peyton, Warner, et al- have all performed
when they absolutely HAD TO!

As of yet, Romo hasn't shown that he's able to do that & until he does,
he'll be just a "good" QB.

Why is that so hard for some to admit???

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Last night's game had an electric, playoff atmoshere and Romo simply wasn't able to handle the pressure of the moment.

It's time to stop making excuses for the guy and admit he is what he is!

We have a QB that prompted this classic line from Parcells..."Well, he's off the reservation today!"

That was 3 years ago against the Giants and it fit just as well last night as it did 3 years ago.

 

[zrinkill]

Why is that so hard for some to admit???

Nobody is arguing that Romo is not there yet ..... we are just arguing with the idiots calling for replacing him.

He has certain skills that no other QB in the league has ...... I have heard many many ex QB's state this from Troy Aikman to Steve Young to Terry Bradshaw to Roger Staubach.

Its way to early to give up on him ..... Guys like Steve Young and John Elway did not "get over the hump" till late in their careers ..... how many people ,like the ones calling for Romo's head, would have given up on them before they had that chance?

He is incredibly talented .... and he is still sometimes stupid.

The later can be coached out of him ..... the former could not be coached into him.

Find the right man to make him a smart football player ..... find him and we win again.


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[AdamJT13]

Which begs the question from me, why did we not call a couple of timeouts once they were in FG range to have some time on the clock?

It wouldn't have saved any time. We would have used our last timeout with 26 seconds left, but they would have had a first down on our 21. They would have run Eli, then called timeout with four seconds left just like they did anyway. Even if we hadn't called a timeout when the clock was already stopped with 39 seconds left, we would have been able to call another timeout after Eli's sneak, but they would have done the same thing on second down and called timeout with four seconds left anyway.

There's nothing we could have done with our timeouts to save any time to get the ball back.

 

[jobberone]

You should post more often. There are too many people that fail to realize that with 2 minutes to go we were up 1 point. One INT, fumble or 4 and out and we can take a knee and let the clock run out. And we still lost this game by running for 200 yards, turning it over 4 times and not getting any turnovers or sacks.

Looking at the bright side of things, the thing that everyone thought was a liability, the running game, has shredding defenses apart, and take out the Phillips/Witten INT (which couldn't be duplicated in 1,000,000 more passing attempts), and we dominated the LOS on O and D. It is the passing O and D that is the enigma. And I believe with a pass rush we will start seeing turnovers on D. I also would like to see our D start scraping for the football on Defense like we all see the Ravens and Steelers teams do. I have mad props for Garrett scoring 31 points without any possessions on our side of the field. I wouldn't mind bringing in another Defensive Consultant for Wade, because this experiment is failing EPICLY without another coach on defense to take Stewarts spot...

I wouldn't say it's failing epicly. It failed to produce a stop when it needed it which I say is one mark of a great defense. Only Wade and the other coaches can say we need another big wig on defense to help him.

We have two inexperienced CBs who have the ability to play ball in this league. It's too much to not expect some trouble along the way. When they get more time in grade then we can blitz even more....and get away with it more often.

This defense can be a dominating one. Personally I think we are short a nickel LB and a dominating safety away. The CBs will develop ok to better than ok in time.