Replacing Terrence Williams

[The Quest for Six]

I want to get this D line and Pass rush working.
I want to start looking at drafting someone to groom under romo.
I want to see how this RB situation pans out and if we still need to upgrade it.

At this time....worrying about replacing TWill (if we need to at all) is way down the list.

AMEN!

 

[ThreeandOut]

I don't necessarily agree with that. I think Beasley is an option, for sure, but as a more targeted player. I think when plays break down, T-Will as a bigger target plays that role better.

I think it depends on how you define security blanket. The guy who has probably most often been called Romo's security blanket over the years is Witten. He's a very consistent player that runs precise routes and will move the chains on 3rd down. Although he has a very different skill set from Witten, I think Beasley fills that role for the wide receivers.

I agree with you that Williams is very good when the play brakes down He's a little like Laurent Robinson in that respect. But when I think of the term security blanket, I think of a player that's a little more consistent.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I think it depends on how you define security blanket. The guy who has probably most often been called Romo's security blanket over the years is Witten. He's a very consistent player that runs precise routes and will move the chains on 3rd down. Although he has a very different skill set from Witten, I think Beasley fills that role for the wide receivers.

I agree with you that Williams is very good when the play brakes down He's a little like Laurent Robinson in that respect. But when I think of the term security blanket, I think of a player that's a little more consistent.

Witten is def Romo's security blanket and I wouldn't take that away from him.

Thing is, I mentioned Crayton first, because that was the role that Crayton played as #2-3 and he was that guy before Laurent Robinson. Terminology aside, that's how I see Williams. Williams is that guy Romo somehow finds things go screwy.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

never know what may happen between now and then.

which is why it's smart to be prepared either way

 

[Doomsday101]

which is why it's smart to be prepared either way

Thing is what is deal? how much of a contract? I would be willing to pay him the 2 mill a year Beasley is getting if he is out there producing. He may reject it but before I would say yes or no to a contract I would have to know what the contract is.

 

[Vinnie2u]

We could have a team made up of 22 all pros and some people will still complain....

 

[BAT]

It depends on how you define 2nd receiver.

Is it who has the most catches or who plays the most snaps or who has the most yards.?

I define it as the 2nd most productive. So yes to all the above plus, I'm sure there is a formula to calculate efficiency like QB passer rating.

 

[Rockport]

WR's are a dime a dozen these days with the advent of the spread offenses in both high school and college. It's really nothing to fret about. He may not even command a big salary that you assume he will.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

While I like him and think there is potential there I believe at this point he is the "Alvin Harper" of the offense. Poor old Alvin does anyone know what happened to the poor fellow when he ventured out on his own?

 

[Doomsday101]

While I like him and think there is potential there I believe at this point he is the "Alvin Harper" of the offense. Poor old Alvin does anyone know what happened to the poor fellow when he ventured out on his own?

Yeah Tampa paid him as a #1 WR which he was not, however the role he played in Dallas was very successful.

 

[Doomsday101]

WR's are a dime a dozen these days with the advent of the spread offenses in both high school and college. It's really nothing to fret about. He may not even command a big salary that you assume he will.

The term dime a dozen I don't get, yes there are a lot of WR out there and still a lot of failures at WR out there. One is currently in Dallas AJ Jenkins a #1 draft choice and may not even make the team

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Thing is what is deal? how much of a contract? I would be willing to pay him the 2 mill a year Beasley is getting if he is out there producing. He may reject it but before I would say yes or no to a contract I would have to know what the contract is.

Not really what I'm arguing. I really like Williams, so this is not about me disliking him because he is a "body catcher" or whatever other criticisms he receives. He may take a 2 million dollar per year deal, I doubt it, but I don't really know, but I'm more sure that no matter how good he is, what he brings to this offense is replaceable. Again, I'm not basing this off of his ability, just off the defined roles of guys like Dez, Beasley, Random RB (or so it appears) and Witten (hopefully Escobar can continue to develop here as well). A second outside WR likely is not a guy that we will spend more than a certain amount on, so I think it would be wise to have a guy capable of producing in that role on the roster before Williams hits free agency, so we aren't forced to reach in the draft or over spend on a marginal talent in free agency to replace him.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not really what I'm arguing. I really like Williams, so this is not about me disliking him because he is a "body catcher" or whatever other criticisms he receives. He may take a 2 million dollar per year deal, I doubt it, but I don't really know, but I'm more sure that no matter how good he is, what he brings to this offense is replaceable. Again, I'm not basing this off of his ability, just off the defined roles of guys like Dez, Beasley, Random RB (or so it appears) and Witten (hopefully Escobar can continue to develop here as well). A second outside WR likely is not a guy that we will spend more than a certain amount on, so I think it would be wise to have a guy capable of producing in that role on the roster before Williams hits free agency, so we aren't forced to reach in the draft or over spend on a marginal talent in free agency to replace him.

No doubt players in general are replaceable but finding the replacement is not always that easy. I agree there should be a certain financial line the Cowboys place on the position as a #2. All I'm stating is there is no deal good or bad on the table so there is no way I can say he will not stay with Dallas or leave Dallas. This franchise has lost players and at times failed to get decent players to replace them. It is not easy as I pointed out above there are failures all around the NFL that play WR, there are no sure things out there

I guess the main point is people make all of this sound easy, just let this guy walk and we will replace him. I think it is easier said than done

 

[ajk23az]

We could have a team made up of 22 all pros and some people will still complain....

Well there are 53 spots on the team..

 

[Manwiththeplan]

No doubt players in general are replaceable but finding the replacement is not always that easy. I agree there should be a certain financial line the Cowboys place on the position as a #2. All I'm stating is there is no deal good or bad on the table so there is no way I can say he will not stay with Dallas or leave Dallas. This franchise has lost players and at times failed to get decent players to replace them. It is not easy as I pointed out above there are failures all around the NFL that play WR, there are no sure things out there

I guess the main point is people make all of this sound easy, just let this guy walk and we will replace him. I think it is easier said than done

I'd say you are right, people definitely believed that it would be easy to replace Murray in free agency, in the draft or via trade, but what happened is, most RBs signed for more than the reported low ball offer we sent to Murray (4 years/$16 million), there was a run on RBs in the draft and Peterson never became available. Now, I do think Randle can have success in this offense. He may even be better in certain areas, however, we will miss his physicality in short yardage and his dependability in the passing game as a blocker and a receiver.

And I like Williams, people can knock him for his inconsistency, but he makes a ton of big plays. But as you said, how much should we pay for a #2 receiver (fwiw, Beasley's avg cap number is $3.4 million)? Considering the money tied up else where and the future money we will need to tie into the o-line, the smart play is to have a replacement for Williams on the roster. It may result in having an inferior player, but it would free up money for another guy that may be a bit less replaceable.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'd say you are right, people definitely believed that it would be easy to replace Murray in free agency, in the draft or via trade, but what happened is, most RBs signed for more than the reported low ball offer we sent to Murray (4 years/$16 million), there was a run on RBs in the draft and Peterson never became available. Now, I do think Randle can have success in this offense. He may even be better in certain areas, however, we will miss his physicality in short yardage and his dependability in the passing game as a blocker and a receiver.

And I like Williams, people can knock him for his inconsistency, but he makes a ton of big plays. But as you said, how much should we pay for a #2 receiver (fwiw, Beasley's avg cap number is $3.4 million)? Considering the money tied up else where and the future money we will need to tie into the o-line, the smart play is to have a replacement for Williams on the roster. It may result in having an inferior player, but it would free up money for another guy that may be a bit less replaceable.

Yes we have to take care of OL but even those guys will have limits on what Dallas will go. If Dallas and Williams can come to an agreement at that time then great. I don't expect Dallas to offer that much based on pay I see with other #2 WR.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yes we have to take care of OL but even those guys will have limits on what Dallas will go.

Definitely, I think even if we didn't get La'el Collins, the odds of us paying Leary what he would get on the open market is slim. No point in speculating on Collins before he plays a game, but do I see us paying a top tackle, a top center and 2 top guards, no, not really.

 

[robjay04]

Definitely, I think even if we didn't get La'el Collins, the odds of us paying Leary what he would get on the open market is slim. No point in speculating on Collins before he plays a game, but do I see us paying a top tackle, a top center and 2 top guards, no, not really.

Now while I do kind of agree with you, I do think the team will do whatever they can to keep this group together longterm. We will not have to do another QB contract with probably 6-8 more years and in 3 years, Romo will likely be gone and I believe we have 3 seasons until we have to worry about Fred/Collins and 4 years until we have to worry about Martin. That 100 million QB money will have to go somewhere so why not the foundation of our football team?

 

[speedkilz88]

I think if you look at #2 type starting WRs that the salary bottom would be around 4 million and the ceiling around 5 million but it the amount the cap keeps going up will keep raising those numbers each year.

http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/wide-receiver/

 

[xwalker]

I define it as the 2nd most productive. So yes to all the above plus, I'm sure there is a formula to calculate efficiency like QB passer rating.

Williams will likely play more snaps and have a higher average.

Beasley as the slot WR will only play in 3 WR sets but those are primarily passing downs. He will like have more catches.