Report: Cowboys explored trading up for Charles Harris

[waldoputty]

Yeah, DEs are so unpredictable, who knows what they are til they hit the field. Out of the premium positions, CB, QB, LT, and passrusher......QB and pass rusher are the most unpredictable positions on the football field.

One of these 2 could be a HOF and the other one a nothing, and at this point its hard to pick out which one is which.

yes DEs are unpredictable. it is not uncomfortable that we are now hoping the FO was wrong about the 3 of them in terms of their ordering though.

 

[waldoputty]

I am no hoping in the slightest for anyone to get hurt. Just stating that older players tend to not recover as wel from injuries and sometimes they fall off quock(Peyton).

No way do I want anyone to get hurt. No need to put words in my mouth.

i dont know how to 'characterize' what you were saying then.
perhaps wishing upon the mortality of an opponent.

 

[Bullflop]

not quite a fair trade off.
we will have jaylon and lee covering the run.
what we lack is pressure.

We'd get more pressure than we get now, even if Charlton had 7 sacks to Harris' 10. I do expect Taco will be much better plugging the run.

 

[waldoputty]

We'd get more pressure than we get now, even if Charlton had 7 sacks to Harris' 10. I do expect Taco will be much better stopping the run.

i would be celebrating if taco gets 7 sacks.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Anyone here who watched the war room knows the truth.

The team may have spoke to the Ravens about a trade up, the Ravens may have even initiated the call but in no way shape or form were the Cowboys disappointed in Taco.

Also---thank god they didn't trade up. Trading away picks in a draft this deep is stupid. This is the kind of draft that will define teams 5 years from now.

The Patriots will suck in a few years because they blew all their picks.

They werent disappointed in Taco, but there were other guys they wanted before him. McKinnley was one of them so having Atlanta jump in front had to sting a bit. If McKinley turns out to be a beast it will be one of the better moves by Atlanta in a while jumping up.

 

[robjay04]

The Patriots added a 23 year old in Brandin Cooks, a 26 year old Stephon Gilmore, had a great back end of the draft and didn't trade Jimmy G, giving them the potential QB when Brady does hang it up and they still have solid cap space.

The notion that they have completely sacrificed their future is chuckle-worthy.

Trading away Jimmy G would've actually been the right move for their future. He only has two years left on his deal so unless Brady gets hurt to retires, he's going to walk and get paid a lot of money.

It's not just trading draft picks for young players. It's trading draft picks, rookie contracts for big contracts. If trading for Cooks was such a no brainer...someone with a higher pick would've got involved. One way or the other...Cooks will be making elite money in a year.

I'm not sure why it's so debatable that the Patriots are loading up to take advantage of a shrinking window. It's what I would do with a 40 year old GOAT QB and a head coach nearing retirement with nothing left to prove. The Pats were never a team to trade away first round picks or hand out the biggest free agent contracts.

 

[Bullflop]

i would be celebrating if taco gets 7 sacks.

Taco has often been compared to Greg Ellis and that's pretty much what Ellis averaged. If he also played the run well, I'd celebrate too. To be fair to all concerned, I'm expecting both Charlton and Harris to distinguish themselves in their own separate ways. That'd be good enough for me.

 

[robjay04]

They werent disappointed in Taco, but there were other guys they wanted before him. McKinnley was one of them so having Atlanta jump in front had to sting a bit. If McKinley turns out to be a beast it will be one of the better moves by Atlanta in a while jumping up.

I haven't seen their draft board to make that assumption.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Trading away Jimmy G would've actually been the right move for their future. He only has two years left on his deal so unless Brady gets hurt to retires, he's going to walk and get paid a lot of money.

It's not just trading draft picks for young players. It's trading draft picks, rookie contracts for big contracts. If trading for Cooks was such a no brainer...someone with a higher pick would've got involved. One way or the other...Cooks will be making elite money in a year.

I'm not sure why it's so debatable that the Patriots are loading up to take advantage of a shrinking window. It's what I would do with a 40 year old GOAT QB and a head coach nearing retirement with nothing left to prove. The Pats were never a team to trade away first round picks or hand out the biggest free agent contracts.

It seems to me that the Patriots are both mortgaging part of their future and taking advantage of an interesting arbitrage. Trading picks for players does surrender future value. To me, that's not a controversial idea. And it makes sense to try to cash in on the twilight of their QB/coach tandem's career. Win as much as possible and let the future take care of itself.

But it also seems that draft picks -- once undervalued -- now have become overvalued. When a proven NFL player -- a good player -- suddenly isn't worth, say, a 5th round pick, that is a good sign of an arbitrage opportunity. So the Patriots are playing from two decks of cards. And it's probably smart. Nothing lasts forever, though. Eventually they will find themselves back with the pack, perhaps even near the bottom.

Surely enjoying a nice ride in the meantime, though, aren't they?

 

[waldoputty]

Taco has often been compared to Greg Ellis and that's pretty much what Ellis averaged. If Taco also played the run well, I'd celebrate too. To be fair to all concerned, I'm expecting both Charlton and Harris to distinguish themselves in their own separate ways. That'd be cool.

The bottom line is this:
it appears the FO preferred Harris over Takk over Taco.
the comp for taco may well be Ellis, and taco's passrushing ceiling may well be Ellis. but that is the ceiling we are talking about.
if harris was the guy, perhaps they should have just paid the price. it costs a lot when everyone and their mother know the passrushing edge is our last piece. but that cost is going to get even higher as we have plugged all the other holes in the roster.
it is much easier to fill holes in the DBs if the picks were used to trade up. you can always draft them next year.
a lot of us are going to be sick if takk or harris does great and if taco is not getting much pressure. i can just see what the subjects and posts are going to say.

 

[waldoputty]

It seems to me that the Patriots are both mortgaging part of their future and taking advantage of an interesting arbitrage. Trading picks for players does surrender future value. To me, that's not a controversial idea. And it makes sense to try to cash in on the twilight of their QB/coach tandem's career. Win as much as possible and let the future take care of itself.

But it also seems that draft picks -- once undervalued -- now have become overvalued. When a proven NFL player -- a good player -- suddenly isn't worth, say, a 5th round pick, that is a good sign of an arbitrage opportunity. So the Patriots are playing from two decks of cards. And it's probably smart. Nothing lasts forever, though. Eventually they will find themselves back with the pack, perhaps even near the bottom.

Surely enjoying a nice ride in the meantime, though, aren't they?

only they have garapollo waiting in the wings.
and they were setting themselves up to dominate in the next 2-3 years - which is a big big piece of zeke's prime and all of dez's remaining prime years.

 

[waldoputty]

Taco has often been compared to Greg Ellis and that's pretty much what Ellis averaged. If he also played the run well, I'd celebrate too. To be fair to all concerned, I'm expecting both Charlton and Harris to distinguish themselves in their own separate ways. That'd be good enough for me.

of course, we are fans and we want our guy to be great and the other guy to be horrible.
it is a zero sum game after all.

 

[cowboyblue22]

by the time bellicheat and brady are done they will hold records for super bowl wins and winning seasons that will never be broken vegas has them as the odds on favorite to win the superbowl and with the competition they face they will only lose couple of games and I have no doubt they will be in the superbowl again this year

 

[Deep_Freeze]

by the time bellicheat and brady are done they will hold records for super bowl wins and winning seasons that will never be broken vegas has them as the odds on favorite to win the superbowl and with the competition they face they will only lose couple of games and I have no doubt they will be in the superbowl again this year

I still don't get the Emperor retiring when Brady retires. Brady will have to retire eventually, Emperor can stay there as long as he wants to get out of the bed in the morning.

 

[Sydla]

Trading away Jimmy G would've actually been the right move for their future. He only has two years left on his deal so unless Brady gets hurt to retires, he's going to walk and get paid a lot of money.

It's not just trading draft picks for young players. It's trading draft picks, rookie contracts for big contracts. If trading for Cooks was such a no brainer...someone with a higher pick would've got involved. One way or the other...Cooks will be making elite money in a year.

I'm not sure why it's so debatable that the Patriots are loading up to take advantage of a shrinking window. It's what I would do with a 40 year old GOAT QB and a head coach nearing retirement with nothing left to prove. The Pats were never a team to trade away first round picks or hand out the biggest free agent contracts.

Teams overvalue draft picks. That was the biggest reason many teams didn't want Cooks. For example, in Philly, it was reported that the Eagles were all over Cooks but just didn't want to give up their first rounder for him. They tried to get a package of later picks and players together to get him.

The Patriots are acting no different now than they have in the past. They've always had a few high priced players on their teams, not just Brady. they supplement that by constantly churning their roster for cheaper depth. It's why this draft was key for them. They added a lot of guys who can fill in depth positions at a cheaper price.

Right now, even with Gilmore's contract on the books, they have $20MM in cap space which puts them in the top third of the league.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I haven't seen their draft board to make that assumption.

Why are you telling me that?

 

[darthseinfeld]

They werent disappointed in Taco, but there were other guys they wanted before him. McKinnley was one of them so having Atlanta jump in front had to sting a bit. If McKinley turns out to be a beast it will be one of the better moves by Atlanta in a while jumping up.

Odd move for Atlanta IMO. Taco actually makes much more sense for them. McKinley is pretty an exclusive 8/9 gap rusher, he isn't gonna do much from the 6 and 7 gaps at RDE in base when Beasley is at OLB. Taco would have given them much more alignment possibilities, and is the overall better rusher IMO. McKinley is a much better wide gap rusher, but he is somewhat of a niche

 

[darthseinfeld]

I still don't get the Emperor retiring when Brady retires. Brady will have to retire eventually, Emperor can stay there as long as he wants to get out of the bed in the morning.

Ive read that he wont coach into his 70's

 

[Trouty]

I said that.

LOL!!

I read that as dead-pan

 

[Trouty]

Pats also, in addition to a young, constantly churning supporting core, potential future franchise QB, also have the greatest Coach of all-time.

If he decides to stick around, if he thinks Jimmy G can win, they're (Pats) not going anywhere.