Report: Cowboys serious about drafting a quarterback at No. 4

[BigStar]

Why do reporters in these articles always claim to know which QB is sitting on top of a board, when they obviously do not? Does anybody out there fall for that stuff?

They tend to be right? I'll give you there are top 5 surprises and Goff and Wentz could both fall to us, but my money is on Goff falling to us over Wentz. The Cali connection w/Goff and CLE came rather late in the process is all. I prefer Wentz but would be happy with Goff/@34Joseph too. We could trade down with STL and whiff on both even if available by thinking we're smarter than everyone else in the league, etc. Like you said, who knows we could draft Bosa and watch most feel numb/uncontrollable rage, etc. But the QB pecking orders tend to stay pretty concrete even 2 weeks away.

 

[Idgit]

They tend to be right? I'll give you there are top 5 surprises and Goff and Wentz could both fall to us, but my money is on Goff falling to us over Wentz. The Cali connection w/Goff and CLE came rather late in the process is all. I prefer Wentz but would be happy with Goff/@34Joseph too. We could trade down with STL and whiff on both even if available by thinking we're smarter than everyone else in the league, etc. Like you said, who knows we could draft Bosa and watch most feel numb/uncontrollable rage, etc. But the QB pecking orders tend to stay pretty concrete even 2 weeks away.

If they're wild-*** guessing, then they're not 'right' when one of the obvious choices ends up the pick, though. They're just telling stories to the gullible, at best. Or repeating stories they're getting fed, at best.

 

[BigStar]

If they're wild-*** guessing, then they're not 'right' when one of the obvious choices ends up the pick, though. They're just telling stories to the gullible, at best. Or repeating stories they're getting fed, at best.

Oh I know that journalism right now is on the grade school level I was just saying that "general consensus/"blue chip" first round QBs seem to be set (among NFL teams at least) long bf draft day; this is time for the fans to have fun

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Start falling in love with the idea of Lynch at 4

If that's who they want, then why take a chance in a trade-back and lose him to Philly/Rams possibly trading up and snagging him before our pick? Yeah sure...the draft ranking boards say he's a mid to late 1st rounder as far as value goes. If the consensus is that there are 3 first tier QB's in this draft and 4 teams (5 if you include Denver) are rumored to be in the hunt, then beauty (value) is in the eye of the beholder. Their value/demand may be an exaggeration brought on by smokescreens and scouts, or there could seriously be a run on QB's very, very early. Picking at #4 definitely puts us within arm's reach if they choose to strike. Just don't get cute!

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Bleacher Report....next.

I saw the report on theredzone.org, got excited and when I saw it said Bleecher immediately returned to my previous level of disappointment.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

in all fairness - that really illustrates my point. i know i said i'm being *anal* but i'm tired of media / "journalists" prancing around giving me their opinion as facts. had he said "my guess is it's heating up for QB at valley ranch" no issues no worries. had he said "JONES LOOKS TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT A QB" fine. but to say jones is serious about drafting a qb is to say they talked to jones and they said they would.

reporting is about facts.

blogging and newsgroups is about speculation.

journalists have gotten very lazy and mixed the two. that and every buttnugget wannabe writer who can put up a good looking site is now passing themselves off as a "reporter" when they are far from it and people now look for others who feel as they do and pass off opinion as fact.

all i'm saying.

as for using visits as a smokescreen - why not? if we can pretend to know what jones is thinking, why stop at personal validation? how come others can't carry forward the "approved" mindset that this is ok?

oh - it goes against the belief people choose to have.

It depends on what "journalists" or "media" outlets you follow. If you read the Cowboys beat guys, they all say talk about BPA and that's the way you do it, then turn around and write about how it is imperative to draft Bosa because we need a pass rusher desperately. Bosa is not even a pass rusher.

I prefer to get my NFL news on NFL radio. If nothing else the hosts are former players, former front office executives, former scouts and draft analyst. They all have done it in some capacity and have connections to people in all capacities of the NFL. They don't have bloggers who put up a site during the draft season, to give their opinion as actual news.

My favorite show is with Kirwin and Miller. Both are very knowledgeable and have a ton of connections who they bring on as guest. Kirwin mentioned again today that Bosa is not a top 5 player and it would be foolish to fall into the trap forf Dallas taking him with the 4th pick when this guy is not a pass rusher. He said Spence is the only first round pass rusher, and he is too risky at 4. He also mentioned that he got a tip that he can't discuss further, but makes him more convinced than ever that QB will be the pick for the Cowboys at 4. He did mention that conversations with Stephen and Garrett indicated to him and Miller that QB is top consideration.

Is he posting his opinion, perhaps but it is based on actual conversations and insider information. FWIW

 

[iceberg]

Except the actual convo is Jones saying "no QB" outside that you got me there.

 

[conner01]

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Jerry stands pat at running back, but I think Elliot will make the team better. It would surprise me if he takes a QB, given his history of drafting quarterbacks, along with him telling us we already have a starter set for years and we only need a backup.

He also said he already has a starting RB. Neither comment means nothing
If there is a QB there they like they will take him. I don't think they will take a RB at 4 but they could very well take one later
Past history may not mean a lot. We never drafted oline guys early till lately and Jerry wanted to take a QB in the first rnd recently. I fully believe if the guy the like is there they will take him. The problem may be the guy they like being there when they pick.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

They are transparent each year, hard to believe people still can't get that the Jones are being straight up honest at the worst time. View what is there to see. Cowboys aren't likely to take RB or QB.

The Joneses tea leaves say: Certainly Backup 2nd/3rd string QB will be addressed before training camp, and most likely in the Draft after the #4 unless their guy is there, feeling it's Goff, but Ramsey has got to be off the board.

Trade Down options could come flying in that cause a sway towards a game changing DE like Lawson, opening a trade up for another Franchise type player in the 1st or simply stock pile 2nds, where the real meat and potatoes of 2016 Draft exist.

A 2 for 1 is hard to turn down.

 

[calvin]

They are transparent each year, hard to believe people still can't get that the Jones are being straight up honest at the worst time. View what is there to see. Cowboys aren't likely to take RB or QB.

The Joneses tea leaves say: Certainly Backup 2nd/3rd string QB will be addressed before training camp, and most likely in the Draft after the #4 unless their guy is there, feeling it's Goff, but Ramsey has got to be off the board.

Trade Down options could come flying in that cause a sway towards a game changing DE like Lawson, and a trade up for another Franchise Type. 2 for 1 is hard to turn down.

Actually, I go the opposite way. Jerry loves sexy and no position is more sexy than QB. Two years ago Jerry was in a lather to draft Manziel because he wanted to select the face of the franchise for the next 10 years. So here we are two years later, after a season where Jerry's 36 year old starting Qb broke his collarbone for the 3rd time in 4 years. Without their bellcow QB Dallas went something like 1-13, missed the playoffs, finished last in the division, and secured a top 4 draft pick.

I have a hard time believing that two years later, after witnessing the utter and completely collapse of his franchise, after his starting QB went down, that Jerry is going to be sitting there at #4 with 2 or possibly 3 QB's better than the guy who he wanted to take at 16, and say no thanks I'll take Myles Jack.

There is also ego involved here to. Selecting a QB at #4 would also be about Jerry's legacy.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Actually, I go the opposite way. Jerry loves sexy and no position is more sexy than QB. Two years ago Jerry was in a lather to draft Manziel because he wanted to select the face of the franchise for the next 10 years. So here we are two years later, after a season where Jerry's 36 year old starting Qb broke his collarbone for the 3rd time in 4 years. Without their bellcow QB Dallas went something like 1-13, missed the playoffs, finished last in the division, and secured a top 4 draft pick.

I have a hard time believing that two years later, after witnessing the utter and completely collapse of his franchise, after his starting QB went down, that Jerry is going to be sitting there at #4 with 2 or possibly 3 QB's better than the guy who he wanted to take at 16, and say no thanks I'll take Myles Jack.

There is also ego involved here to. Selecting a QB at #4 would also be about Jerry's legacy.

In your box that's what you want to believe, fine. See you in 15 days, back in Jerrys' box. Bring some baby wipes.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Actually, I go the opposite way. Jerry loves sexy and no position is more sexy than QB. Two years ago Jerry was in a lather to draft Manziel because he wanted to select the face of the franchise for the next 10 years.

I have a hard time believing that two years later, after witnessing the utter and completely collapse of his franchise, after his starting QB went down, that Jerry is going to be sitting there at #4 with 2 or possibly 3 QB's better than the guy who he wanted to take at 16, and say no thanks I'll take Myles Jack.

Yes Jerry wanted JF but was overruled. The same could happen this year. It's not completely Jerrys call any more.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It depends on what "journalists" or "media" outlets you follow. If you read the Cowboys beat guys, they all say talk about BPA and that's the way you do it, then turn around and write about how it is imperative to draft Bosa because we need a pass rusher desperately. Bosa is not even a pass rusher.

I prefer to get my NFL news on NFL radio. If nothing else the hosts are former players, former front office executives, former scouts and draft analyst. They all have done it in some capacity and have connections to people in all capacities of the NFL. They don't have bloggers who put up a site during the draft season, to give their opinion as actual news.

My favorite show is with Kirwin and Miller. Both are very knowledgeable and have a ton of connections who they bring on as guest. Kirwin mentioned again today that Bosa is not a top 5 player and it would be foolish to fall into the trap forf Dallas taking him with the 4th pick when this guy is not a pass rusher. He said Spence is the only first round pass rusher, and he is too risky at 4. He also mentioned that he got a tip that he can't discuss further, but makes him more convinced than ever that QB will be the pick for the Cowboys at 4. He did mention that conversations with Stephen and Garrett indicated to him and Miller that QB is top consideration.

Is he posting his opinion, perhaps but it is based on actual conversations and insider information. FWIW

That is not an informed opinion. If you want to say that his speed to power, rip, slub, swim, etc won't translate or some reasoning then fine but to just say he isn't a pass rusher is ignorant. Spence's measurables are much worse BTW. Cause Kirwan says so is not a reasonable standard.

Not to mention that right around now is when scouts, executives, and coaches come up with gameplans on how they are going to run counterintelligence and hide their intentions.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Except the actual convo is Jones saying "no QB" outside that you got me there.

Jerry? Jerry's first words after the season were that backup QB was top priority. He th n allegedly told Gil Brandt that no QB with the 4th pick. He later said that taking a QB would allow him to get a Harvard education from Romo and that he wouldn't take a RB.

Stephen and Garrett have said all along that QB was possible.

Even Gil Brandt is saying that a QB wouldn't surprise him. He said it on his show yesterday.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Kool! But I will choose to get information and analysis from people who do and have done this for a living and have been in the league, are in the league and have connections in the league.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Of course we're going to be serious about drafting a QB. We scare the hell out of teams who really want one, cut a deal, move back, draft Elliott and snag Paxton Lynch with the extra pick we get.

The draft is so easy.

Move back and they'll probably miss out on Paxton Lynch, though Conner Cook will probably still be available.

 

[KB1122]

They should be.

But it's Bleacher Report.

 

[calvin]

Yes Jerry wanted JF but was overruled. The same could happen this year. It's not completely Jerrys call any more.

My fault, I didn't express my meaning clearly enough. I never brought into Jerry's "TR is our QB for another 5 years.....(so QB isn't an option for us at #4)". If he wanted a QB at 16 two years ago I find it almost impossible to believe that he won't want one at #4 now. I think Jones was throwing up a giant smokescreen.

As for being overruled. No disagreement there (as a ND alum, I was happy that Zack when to Dallas) and at the time it was absolutely the right call. But circumstances have changed. I think last season probably crystallized thought in the FO that they need to prepare for life after Romo. Dallas don't expect to be this high again and QB is such a valuable position if there is a QB there that the FO thinks can anchor the franchise for 12-15 years then I think there will be a lot less internal resistance toward selecting one at #4 than there was in 2014..

 

[iceberg]

Actually, I go the opposite way. Jerry loves sexy and no position is more sexy than QB. Two years ago Jerry was in a lather to draft Manziel because he wanted to select the face of the franchise for the next 10 years. So here we are two years later, after a season where Jerry's 36 year old starting Qb broke his collarbone for the 3rd time in 4 years. Without their bellcow QB Dallas went something like 1-13, missed the playoffs, finished last in the division, and secured a top 4 draft pick.

I have a hard time believing that two years later, after witnessing the utter and completely collapse of his franchise, after his starting QB went down, that Jerry is going to be sitting there at #4 with 2 or possibly 3 QB's better than the guy who he wanted to take at 16, and say no thanks I'll take Myles Jack.

There is also ego involved here to. Selecting a QB at #4 would also be about Jerry's legacy.

there we go again. people saying JERRY LOVES SEXY!!!! so they can validate their arguments. again i've not ever seen jones go off and do the things people say he will do based on this "CRAZY SEXY" crap they hide behind.

no qb in the draft now has the "sexy" crap tied to it like manziel did. so if jones were to do what you say he will do for loving the "sexy" pick he'd have taken johnny friggin football. being that he didnt, the entire premise is invalidated along with that argument.

nice. never saw someone make a strange point and shoot it down the very next sentence before.

 

[Bullflop]

As much as I'd like to see Dallas take one of the top three QBs in the first round, I'd be extremely disappointed if we traded up to get one.

I'd much prefer to trade down and possibly get an extra 1st or 2nd round pick in the process. Our needs are too great to afford trading up.