Report: Cowboys value S Vaccaro immensely

[supercowboy8]

boy I sure do - we can't lose pick

can not afford to

sure we can, we can't afford to miss on picks.

think about the quality of players not the quantity
who cares if we draft a player in the third if he isn't good enough to play

or lets say we take a player at 18 that is a reach and the player in the 3rd turns out to be a solid special teams or rotational, history shows 3rd rounders aren't usually day one starters so its going to take a few years to develop into a big time player for us.

We stay pat at 18 and Cooper, Warmack, Johnson, Richardson, Floyd are all gone and at 16 Vcarro is picked. We had a trade set up to get to 15 to get Vcarro but someone said we needed that 3rd round pick.

If the coaches feel like Vcarro can start day one and be a difference maker and a all pro I will trade up and trade away that 3rd round pick for a difference maker at safety.

I'm not saying Vcarro will be or wouldn't be but if there is a player you feel that great about and love then go get him. If he turns in to a all pro great player then you will be kicking yourself for years.

 

[supercowboy8]

....and alot of us agree on that...which is why it's maddening that they might consider trading UP to get Vaccaro ......so much panic and fail in their draft strategy...it's just pathetic.

no I don't think so, if the scouts and defense coaches say Vcarro is the guy and they have him ranked way about Cyprien, I have no problem losing a 3rd round pick for him.
I would love to be able to sit at 18 and take Vcarro but if they feel he will be gone at 16, and he is the BPA at 15 and is way above everyone else on the board that will be there at 18, take him, trade up and grab him. I would much rather get the guy I want than having to reach for average players.

They might have late 1st early 2nd round grades on everyone else and would be a big reach at 18, you loose value either way, atleast get your player.

 

[supercowboy8]

no I don't think so, if the scouts and defense coaches say Vcarro is the guy and they have him ranked way about Cyprien, I have no problem losing a 3rd round pick for him.
I would love to be able to sit at 18 and take Vcarro but if they feel he will be gone at 16, and he is the BPA at 15 and is way above everyone else on the board that will be there at 18, take him, trade up and grab him. I would much rather get the guy I want than having to reach for average players.

They might have late 1st early 2nd round grades on everyone else and would be a big reach at 18, you loose value either way, atleast get your player.

sorry for misspelling his name, Vaccaro*

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Church's coverage? Huh? He can cover when needed to. Has showed that, but he's more of a SS anyway. Big hitter and excellent in run support. If he can't cover he wouldn't be on team especially in this scheme

On the contrary, with the way this team has played the last few years, if he couldn't cover, he'd fit right in.

Seriously though.. i have questions about his ability to cover effectively as well. He doesn't seem overly fast or quick so i worry about him defending the deep ball.

 

[XxTDxX]

no I don't think so, if the scouts and defense coaches say Vcarro is the guy and they have him ranked way about Cyprien, I have no problem losing a 3rd round pick for him.
I would love to be able to sit at 18 and take Vcarro but if they feel he will be gone at 16, and he is the BPA at 15 and is way above everyone else on the board that will be there at 18, take him, trade up and grab him. I would much rather get the guy I want than having to reach for average players.

They might have late 1st early 2nd round grades on everyone else and would be a big reach at 18, you loose value either way, atleast get your player.

Completely agree. People seem to be way too caught up in the quantity of picks rather than the quality. If they think Vaccaro can be a starter for this team for years to come and the dropoff between him and the best safety that will be there at 47 is severe then go ahead and get your guy.. Cyprien will not be there at 47 so either you might have to trade up and get vaccaro or if you like Cyprien you can trade back to 29 or something and grab Cyprien and pick up another pick... This all depends on whether or not Cooper is there though because I think if he is there he will be the pick

 

[XxTDxX]

Let me tell you something that might be just as bad, if Damontre Moore, Warmack and Vacarro are there when Dallas picks, the organization will pick Vacarro.

That would be a nightmare.

You may have an argument with Warmack but Damontre Moore? If we dont resign Spencer next year we need someone opposite Ware who can stop the run..Moore doesnt do that well. Give me a Guard, Tackle, DT, RB, OLB in the first 3 rounds.. Dont give me a DE unless he is an extreme value and can contribute year 1

 

[supercowboy8]

Completely agree. People seem to be way too caught up in the quantity of picks rather than the quality. If they think Vaccaro can be a starter for this team for years to come and the dropoff between him and the best safety that will be there at 47 is severe then go ahead and get your guy.. Cyprien will not be there at 47 so either you might have to trade up and get vaccaro or if you like Cyprien you can trade back to 29 or something and grab Cyprien and pick up another pick... This all depends on whether or not Cooper is there though because I think if he is there he will be the pick

agreed, I say play the board you worked so hard on and go with BPA, if the board has a list of of top guys and Vaccaro is the last one left at pick 15 and the buzz is St. Louis wants him at 16, jump and get him.

If you have a top 10 pick on a player don't take the chance. I think if Vaccaro is with in striking difference and all the other top players are gone, they will leap just like they did for Dez.

 

[supercowboy8]

You may have an argument with Warmack but Damontre Moore? If we dont resign Spencer next year we need someone opposite Ware who can stop the run..Moore doesnt do that well. Give me a Guard, Tackle, DT, RB, OLB in the first 3 rounds.. Dont give me a DE unless he is an extreme value and can contribute year 1

The only DE I would spend a first on is Datone Jones. That guy would be a perfect SDE.

 

[Hoofbite]

Same bleep, different year in Big D.

I guess it really would be too much to ask for some competent linemen.

 

[jnday]

agreed, I say play the board you worked so hard on and go with BPA, if the board has a list of of top guys and Vaccaro is the last one left at pick 15 and the buzz is St. Louis wants him at 16, jump and get him.

If you have a top 10 pick on a player don't take the chance. I think if Vaccaro is with in striking difference and all the other top players are gone, they will leap just like they did for Dez.

It is dumb when there are so many holes that needs filled. It was dumb last year. It would be dumber this year.

 

[XxTDxX]

The only DE I would spend a first on is Datone Jones. That guy would be a perfect SDE.

Yes I like Datone Jones as well but more so had we not Franchised Spencer.. If we end up trading Spencer hell be among my top guys again

 

[XxTDxX]

It is dumb when there are so many holes that needs filled. It was dumb last year. It would be dumber this year.

There is a big difference between moving up from 14 to 6 for a guy at a position that you just spent 50 mil on than moving up 2 or 3 spots to get the best player at the spot you need the most help at defensively.. If they think Vaccaro is the long term answer at FS than moving up wouldn't be a bad idea.. If they think the difference between him and Cyprien is narrow than they can trade back and take him

 

[iRepDatStar]

Cowboys fans at its finest

 

[supercowboy8]

It is dumb when there are so many holes that needs filled. It was dumb last year. It would be dumber this year.

Its dumb to feel holes with players that's not going to fill those holes until year 3
2 or 3. Getting a day one starter in round 3 is very rare

 

[jjktkk]

This is what I fear,i hope we make a need pick.there are other safeties just as good in the later rds.

Not according to NFL scouts, who rate him as the top safety in this years draft.

 

[jjktkk]

If true, once again the Cowboys value Secondary over Dline and Oline.

If I'm Romo, I would not resign with this team. It's an insult to him and the fans.

And once again a fan doesn't realize that all 3 units need addressing.

 

[jjktkk]

Appreciate that. Just started a few weeks ago. I believe that your first round pick has to be at the very least one of your best 10 players 3-4 years down the road. I like Vaccaro and I think he will be an above average safety, but we need a playmaker in the back end.

How is an "above average safety not a playmaker? It is imo.

 

[jjktkk]

....and alot of us agree on that...which is why it's maddening that they might consider trading UP to get Vaccaro ......so much panic and fail in their draft strategy...it's just pathetic.

Lol, the drafts over a month away, and your already criticizing their "draft strategy", even though you have no clue what their "draft strategy" is. Brilliant.

 

[jjktkk]

On the contrary, with the way this team has played the last few years, if he couldn't cover, he'd fit right in.

Seriously though.. i have questions about his ability to cover effectively as well. He doesn't seem overly fast or quick so i worry about him defending the deep ball.

FWIW, Vaccaro routinely covered the opposing teams slot receiver in college, and was solid in that aspect. The questions surrounding Vaccarro is his ability to play deep, and his speed.

 

[supercowboy8]

Lol, the drafts over a month away, and your already criticizing their "draft strategy", even though you have no clue what their "draft strategy" is. Brilliant.

Yeah I don't get it either, Dallas has done a good job hitting on players early the last 3 years

We traded up for Dez, would you rather sit there and had him go a pick in front of you. Go get your player if you really think he can be a difference maker