Report: DE Greg Hardy will not return to Panthers - Charges Dismissed 02/09/15

[Stash]

Carolina if they thought these charges werent true they would sign the guy in a heart beat. They didnt even try last yr, but just franchised him because of this. The only reason he appealed was because he thought he was going to be able to play. Then all these DV cases popped up and Carolina decided to deactivate him. Now they dont want anything to do with him. Thats a very telling situation.

I do think he hit her, i do think shes making it more of a dangerous account then what it was. And im sure the neighbors are scared of him for a reason.

Agree with you on the PR part of the NFL. They are going to milk a punishment on this guy. He's already been found guilty once, gonna be very hard for a jury not to convict him again.

I have no idea what you're talking about here????

 

[speedkilz88]

Actually he was found guilty. He appealed and the witness didnt want to go thru with it. So charges were dimissed, he wasnt found not guilty. How many times was john gotti tried? Was he not guilty? Took a rat from his own family to take him down.

The original "verdict" wasn't based on a trial. And now means nothing. That state just has a really odd system.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Actually he was found guilty. He appealed and the witness didnt want to go thru with it. So charges were dimissed, he wasnt found not guilty. How many times was john gotti tried? Was he not guilty? Took a rat from his own family to take him down.

From a lone judge which he appealed to take it to jury trial with evidence. Hence why the witness didn't show up.

Many people have been found guilty of crimes they didn't commit what's your point. Goes both ways

 

[Stash]

He will get suspended. Guy got paid the whole season. Thats not a punishment at all.

Tell that to the player whose future bargaining power is irreparably damaged.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Carolina if they thought these charges werent true they would sign the guy in a heart beat. They didnt even try last yr, but just franchised him because of this. The only reason he appealed was because he thought he was going to be able to play. Then all these DV cases popped up and Carolina decided to deactivate him. Now they dont want anything to do with him. Thats a very telling situation.

I do think he hit her, i do think shes making it more of a dangerous account then what it was. And im sure the neighbors are scared of him for a reason.

Agree with you on the PR part of the NFL. They are going to milk a punishment on this guy. He's already been found guilty once, gonna be very hard for a jury not to convict him again.

You have no idea what Jerry Richardson thinks. Basically what you are doing is inserting what you think and pretending like it's valid. It's a colossal waste of all of our time.

The charges were dropped and you have no idea what information the NFL investigators have or don't have. Again you are inserting what you 'think' and inserting it for certain truth and again it's a colossal waste of time.

 

[casmith07]

Ok smarty was he convicted yes or no

He was convicted by a magistrate of whatever the original charges were, resulting in a misdemeanor.

Mecklenberg County, and most of North Carolina, allow you to appeal misdemeanor convictions by a magistrate at the trial court level.

"Not guilty" is a verdict and disposition handed down by a judge (bench trial) or jury (jury trial) after hearing all of the evidence.

Having a case dismissed is not the same as being found not guilty. The result (no conviction or a dismissal of charges) is the same, but it doesn't necessarily mean you were found by the system to be innocent.

Either way, like I said, I know an attorney in Charlotte. Nothing to see here.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

He was convicted by a magistrate of whatever the original charges were, resulting in a misdemeanor.

Mecklenberg County, and most of North Carolina, allow you to appeal misdemeanor convictions by a magistrate at the trial court level.

"Not guilty" is a verdict and disposition handed down by a judge (bench trial) or jury (jury trial) after hearing all of the evidence.

Having a case dismissed is not the same as being found not guilty. The result (no conviction or a dismissal of charges) is the same, but it doesn't necessarily mean you were found by the system to be innocent.

Either way, like I said, I know an attorney in Charlotte. Nothing to see here.

Im from North Carolina and your right nothing to see here.

 

[LatinMind]

Tell that to the player whose future bargaining power is irreparably damaged.

Was Leonard Little irreparably damaged after he killed a lady in a crash while drunk? And even continued to get DWIs

 

[casmith07]

Im from North Carolina and your right nothing to see here.

the main thing he's guilty of is putting himself in this situation all for the nookie. There are PLENTY of chicks in Charlotte that aren't even chasing cleats, if you're buying what I'm selling. It's a fun town. He should have been smarter about his selection.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Was Leonard Little irreparably damaged after he killed a lady in a crash while drunk? And even continued to get DWIs

Leonard was convicted of homicide and served time. When this case actually received due process in a trial, the charges were dismissed. Why not compare him to Stalin and Attilla the Hun?

 

[Stash]

Was Leonard Little irreparably damaged after he killed a lady in a crash while drunk? And even continued to get DWIs

Who did Greg Hardy kill?

Who did Adrian Peterson kill?

How are apples the same as oranges?

 

[LatinMind]

Leonarduote was convicted of homicide and served time. When this case actually received due process in a trial, the charges were dismissed. Why not compare him to Stalin and Attilla the Hun?

Where they football players?

If you bothered to read the quote you would know i was saying if leonard Little was still able to sign a big contract after that hardy will. He is not damaged. no shoo go away

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was convicted by a magistrate of whatever the original charges were, resulting in a misdemeanor.

Mecklenberg County, and most of North Carolina, allow you to appeal misdemeanor convictions by a magistrate at the trial court level.

"Not guilty" is a verdict and disposition handed down by a judge (bench trial) or jury (jury trial) after hearing all of the evidence.

Having a case dismissed is not the same as being found not guilty. The result (no conviction or a dismissal of charges) is the same, but it doesn't necessarily mean you were found by the system to be innocent.

Either way, like I said, I know an attorney in Charlotte. Nothing to see here.

See this is where it gets weird to me. Because the trial saw the charges dismissed, the original judgment was vacated?

 

[mickswag]

See this is where it gets weird to me. Because the trial saw the charges dismissed, the original judgment was vacated?

Yes because the charges were dismissed on appeal. Vacates the original judgment.

 

[Kaiser]

From a lone judge which he appealed to take it to jury trial with evidence. Hence why the witness didn't show up.

Many people have been found guilty of crimes they didn't commit what's your point. Goes both ways

If you read the Charlotte newspaper it said there were "inconsistencies" between what she told the police at the time and what she said in the first hearing. That is the reason they dropped the case, the prosecutor knew they couldn't make those things line up, and that even before you consider Hardy likely had evidence that proved his side of the story. He told the 911 operator he had video of everything, the NC Prosecutor likely knew that would win the case for Hardy as well.

This is the blurb from the NC paper, Murray is the DA in North Carolina:

In the Hardy case, Murray alluded to apparent inconsistencies between Holder’s initial statements to police on the morning of May 13, and the testimony she gave at Hardy’s first trial. Without Holder’s live testimony, Murray’s office said in a statement, “the state has determined it cannot go forward.”


Though Murray’s office said it couldn’t locate Holder, her Facebook account left plenty of clues of her whereabouts. In December she traveled to Vail, Colo., to snowmobile. She shopped in Atlanta on Dec. 22, and the next day she was in Grand Central Station.


Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...ens-with-jury.html#.VNkZLS4eoWk#storylink=cpy

 

[skinsscalper]

I don't see Hardy in Dallas regaurdless of what the league does, teams like ATL, Tampa Bay etc. are gonna throw a boat load of money at him. I don't Dallas see giving out massive contracts like that.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that. Jerry is having a little deja vu right about now. He sees Murray, Dez, and Tony as his new triplets and he knows (through team history) that signing/trading for a dominant pass rusher (Haley/Hardy) was/is the key to get them over the hump.

Speculation on my part, in all honesty, but I would almost guarantee that Jones will explore every option this off-season to shore up the team's most glaring need (by far) and Hardy will be right at the top of that list if his league and legal troubles are proven to be inconsequential.

 

[Kaiser]

Another issue people are missing (especially the sports reporters) is the settlement on a civil suit with the ex-girlfriend. Defense attorneys bill anywhere from $500 - $1000 per hour. A serious trial like this would cost Hardy 500K. The appeal would be another 500K. Win or loss, the girl can file a civil suit that will cost him another 500K. Its standard procedure to avoid all that with a low-ball offer to settle the whole thing and make it go away. If you have the potential to lose a million or two in legal fees (even before the PR issues) and can make it all disappear for 25K, you make that deal every single time even if you are 100% innocent.

People are saying the settlement is an indication of guilt. In reality it may or may not be.

 

[ufcrules1]

PLEASE let us get Hardy. That guy is a major difference maker.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where they football players?

If you bothered to read the quote you would know i was saying if leonard Little was still able to sign a big contract after that hardy will. He is not damaged. no shoo go away

First of all Little was convicted in 1998. He signed a series of small deals following the conviction. In 2002 he signed a 5 year deal worth less than $18m despite being named all pro. That is a AAV of less than $5m for a all pro pass rusher. Another all pro, Simeon Rice, signed a 5 year $30m deal.

I guess you think Little should have worked for free.

 

[Kaiser]

I have no idea what you're talking about here????

Yup, its going to be "very hard for a jury not to convict him again" except for the fact the DA folded his cards when he couldn't even get the lone witness to come up with a consistent story.