Report: Phone records turned over in NFL’s Ezekiel Elliott probe

[Yakuza Rich]

I disagree. I shouldn't have to give my phone records to an employer with no subpoena power. You cannot trust them to protect personal unrelated information as shown in the deflate gate case. They conduct their investigation and prove I did something wrong by available public information or drop it.

It's like two very different scenarios.

EE is likely showing phone records that clear him. Brady *destroyed* his phone because he was hiding something.

While I don't care for how the NFL handled DeflateGate,I don't know what personal unrelated information from the text messages that was used against Brady. McNally and Jastremski had phones from the New England Patriots which made it NFL property and over a year had discussed deflating footballs per Brady's request and doing so for money. All the rest is made up nonsense from Kraft and blind lemming Patriots supporters.

I certainly wouldn't want it to become 'a thing' where I'm handing over my phone every time somebody thinks I'm cheating, but it wasn't for Brady and he destroyed his phone because he had something hide. Just like Hernandez tried to conceal evidence and wouldn't even say a word to cops at the time he murdered Odin Lloyd. Or like the Patriots and the NFL destroying the tapes from SpyGate. You got something to hide...you're going to try and hide it. If you don't have something to hide...then there's no reason to hide.





YR

 

[Risen Star]

I never believed Zeke would do anything like that but after a year around Prescott who knows.

 

[Bullflop]

It's possibly not something that the NFL necessarily has a right to demand but more likely something that they requested and Elliott was willing to cooperate in order to put this whole matter to rest. I doubt that he would have done so if he felt there was something to hide. The fact that his girl friend stated that she'd ruin him should be damning to her claims of innocence. Let's hope this thing leads to the case being dropped. It surely seems well past time to end it, once and for all. The fact that it's taken a year appears suggestive of an agenda, whether it actually is or not.

 

[Plankton]

I never believed Zeke would do anything like that but after a year around Prescott who knows.

 

[dogunwo]

It's like two very different scenarios.

EE is likely showing phone records that clear him. Brady *destroyed* his phone because he was hiding something.

While I don't care for how the NFL handled DeflateGate,I don't know what personal unrelated information from the text messages that was used against Brady. McNally and Jastremski had phones from the New England Patriots which made it NFL property and over a year had discussed deflating footballs per Brady's request and doing so for money. All the rest is made up nonsense from Kraft and blind lemming Patriots supporters.

I certainly wouldn't want it to become 'a thing' where I'm handing over my phone every time somebody thinks I'm cheating, but it wasn't for Brady and he destroyed his phone because he had something hide. Just like Hernandez tried to conceal evidence and wouldn't even say a word to cops at the time he murdered Odin Lloyd. Or like the Patriots and the NFL destroying the tapes from SpyGate. You got something to hide...you're going to try and hide it. If you don't have something to hide...then there's no reason to hide.





YR

There were reports that email that had Brady's personal conversation about Peyton Manning were released. The NFL clearly didn't protect his private conversations, and there could have been other stuff as well that were viewed.

 

[dogunwo]

What is right and what is best sometimes do not converge. BY putting it all out there you are making a statement I have nothing to hide. In this current world where PR matters over anything substantive that is the way to go. You have to be aggressive and confront this kind of witch hunt. That was the route Lael Collins took; he did not hide and bob and weeve he and his agent were right out in front.


Frankly I think anyone that puts any real sensitive personal information on the web or phone or any place like that is a moron.

A phone is for phone numbers and addresses and if that Is a threat to you then you are in a lot bigger trouble then you think.

I appreciate your post, but outside of this one message I told myself I would never respond to you because I hate your username so much.

 

[lukin2006]

So the police closed the case? so the NFL knows more than the police, these players need to fire their union and get a better union...

 

[Bleedblue1111]

Wow! Is the NFL trolling the Cowboys and it's fans with this or what? Time for Cowboy nation to rise up, and start bombarding the league office with hate mail.

 

[robjay04]

It's possibly not something that the NFL necessarily has a right to demand but more likely something that they requested and Elliott was willing to cooperate in order to put this whole matter to rest. I doubt that he would have done so if he felt there was something to hide. The fact that his girl friend stated that she'd ruin him should be damning to her claims of innocence. Let's hope this thing leads to the case being dropped. It surely seems well past time to end it, once and for all. The fact that it's taken a year appears suggestive of an agenda, whether it actually is or not.

This is how I read it as well. I don't see how they can legally demand phone records for something done 11 months ago that didn't even make it to trial.

The whole thing is bogus. Zeke is a wealthy man but I have no doubt this situation is costing him millions. His likeable, outgoing personality with the "feed me" gesture...this guy is a marketers dream. The big companies are not going to touch him with this hanging over his head.

I know the league got burned with the Ray Rice ordeal but what employer has the right to continue with a 10 month investigation after the legal system decided there was not sufficient evidence to go trial? The league is not above the legal system and should not be taking money from their employees by publicizing a year long investigation.

 

[joseephuss]

The witch hunt continues.

The jelly spine NFL has to show it is proactive towards violence against women so that the women organizations will stop bullying them. An emerging superstar would be a real catch, perhaps enough to where Goodal will be allowed to remove the nipple clips and mouthball.

Our last bastions of manhood are being systematically eradicated. Soon, man caves will be illegal, only flavored beer will exist, NFL games will cease to be televised and replaced by craft shows, and begging your wife for sex will be considered harassment.

 

[Alexander]

Most people won't get this, but it was gold.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

There were reports that email that had Brady's personal conversation about Peyton Manning were released. The NFL clearly didn't protect his private conversations, and there could have been other stuff as well that were viewed.

That e-mail was revealed as part of the lawsuit filed by the NFLPA which was done on behalf of Brady. Essentially, Brady exposed that email himself...not the NFL.






YR

 

[haleyrules]

So the police closed the case? so the NFL knows more than the police, these players need to fire their union and get a better union...

The people running the NFL need to be adults. They only damage their own image by pursuing these cases.

 

[Bullflop]

This is how I read it as well. I don't see how they can legally demand phone records for something done 11 months ago that didn't even make it to trial.

The whole thing is bogus. Zeke is a wealthy man but I have no doubt this situation is costing him millions. His likeable, outgoing personality with the "feed me" gesture...this guy is a marketers dream. The big companies are not going to touch him with this hanging over his head.

I know the league got burned with the Ray Rice ordeal but what employer has the right to continue with a 10 month investigation after the legal system decided there was not sufficient evidence to go trial? The league is not above the legal system and should not be taking money from their employees by publicizing a year long investigation.

I agree completely. The commissioner is supposed to be supportive of the owners and all that concerns the NFL but certainly not to the detriment of the players. Especially not so with one who has been legally released from suspicion due to lack of sufficient evidence.

The policeman in attendance at the scene, from what I've heard in the past, reportedly told Zeke that he didn't think she had a case to really be concerned with, saying that her statements were very inconsistent.

Let's hope the evidence from that telephone conversation will reveal that her intentions were to do harm to Elliott, rather than simply being a victim of abuse. Witnesses even favored Elliott's innocence and stated as much.

 

[lukin2006]

The people running the NFL need to be adults. They only damage their own image by pursuing these cases.

I agree. The NFL commissioner has been given to much power...to the detriment of the league.

 

[DallasDomination]

When it's resolved Zeke and the pa should bite back on this because the NFL is all over the field.

 

[tyke1doe]

Looks like they are bound and determined to find something.
I haven't seen this much effort since OJ's in finding the real killer!

Uh, there was no effort by OJ to find the real killer. So are you saying the league isn't putting in a lot of effort to find something on Zeke?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is all about image for the league. They want it to look like they got caught with their pants down with the Ray Rice thing and so now are acting like they are being diligent to avoid similar backlash and massage previous conception.

The rub is that they looked bad because they did not act on damning information when they had it. They just chose not to act on it. The bumbling fool is preferable to the amoral sociopath.

The NFL cares about image because it affects their bottom line. If the welfare and safety of women ran contrary to that they would work against it. It's the same dynamic that has Goodell saying Junior Seau could have gotten the head injuries from swimming.

This is precisely the type of thing that people need to recall when the next CBA negotiation cranks up in a couple of years. The NFL is not our friend and they are not trying to do the right thing. They are the typical modern corporate entity callously intent on their constituent's bottom line.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why exactly did it take this long to ask for his phone records? This investigation started a year ago, and they just NOW go for the phone records. Has to be the most embarrassing "investigation" I have seen the NFL make. Especially bad when you consider how little they did with that Giants kicker last year, when there was so much clear evidence.

This is not about finding the truth. They likely came to a conclusion a year ago. This is about public image and the appearance of thoroughness. There is no other high profile DV case for the to work with so they are milking ot for all it is worth.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's like two very different scenarios.

EE is likely showing phone records that clear him. Brady *destroyed* his phone because he was hiding something.

While I don't care for how the NFL handled DeflateGate,I don't know what personal unrelated information from the text messages that was used against Brady. McNally and Jastremski had phones from the New England Patriots which made it NFL property and over a year had discussed deflating footballs per Brady's request and doing so for money. All the rest is made up nonsense from Kraft and blind lemming Patriots supporters.

I certainly wouldn't want it to become 'a thing' where I'm handing over my phone every time somebody thinks I'm cheating, but it wasn't for Brady and he destroyed his phone because he had something hide. Just like Hernandez tried to conceal evidence and wouldn't even say a word to cops at the time he murdered Odin Lloyd. Or like the Patriots and the NFL destroying the tapes from SpyGate. You got something to hide...you're going to try and hide it. If you don't have something to hide...then there's no reason to hide.

YR

This all assumes a fair and neutral investigator. If you do not trust the one doing an investigation then you are not going to cooperate.

Brady not trusting the NFL when they have a vested interest in him going into the HoF squeaky clean for their image is where it does not make sense.

I have no issue at all whatsoever with people not trusting the police or district attorney.