Retaining Hatcher

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franchised makes zero sense. that's a fortune.

hopefully they will agree to a reasonable long-term deal with a lot of fake money at the end.
something like 5 for 40m but with about 22m of that as bases the final 2 years.
please no goofy "scheduled restructure" nonsense leveraged with a massive bonus.

keep it simple.
10m SB
yr 1: 1m
yr 2: 4m
yr 3: 6m
yr 4: 10m
yr 5: 12m
5 years 43m sounds really rich....
Really a 3 year 21m deal. That's a HUGE raise for a guy on a 2m per year deal but also keeps arguably our best DL.

I think those types of contracts are going to be a hard sell to players anymore because they're basically an invitation to get cut well before they see most of that money. What incentive is there for Hatcher to sign such a contract? None of that fake money adds a single dollar to his bank account.

If Hatcher were to suffer a significant injury and looked like crap when he go back, Dallas could cut him during camp of the 3rd year and it would be cap neutral.

You're basically putting the player in a position where he won't be on your team in year 4 no matter how well he performs.

I think a lot of those contracts were probably a result of agents taking advantage of young and naive clients in order to gain a reputation for the being the agent who could get you the "most money".
 

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Because of the way this team is built, and the cap is squeezing the throats of the management, I would suspect they do franchise this guy.

Which is perpetuating the problem of an old defensive line.

But then when Jerry found himself in the corner while painting the kitchen floor, there isn't really much to do but wait until it dries.

I think the plan was to let Crawford take over the 3 tech spot after playing a full year this year. His injury and Hatcher exploding makes that plan look inadequate now.
 

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Because we all know of the rule of law that stops Dallas from redoing contract to free up money.

dude we can restructure Romo, Witten, Lee and extend Ware and still be right at the cap. We are 31 million over. We are not going to have 8 million next year to franchise a player. If we have 8 million for that, then thats all we will have to spend. So no other free agents will be signed.
 

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dude we can restructure Romo, Witten, Lee and extend Ware and still be right at the cap. We are 31 million over. We are not going to have 8 million next year to franchise a player. If we have 8 million for that, then thats all we will have to spend. So no other free agents will be signed.

Just watch.
 

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dude we can restructure Romo, Witten, Lee and extend Ware and still be right at the cap. We are 31 million over. We are not going to have 8 million next year to franchise a player. If we have 8 million for that, then thats all we will have to spend. So no other free agents will be signed.

I'm no cap expert by any means, but every year I read how the Cowboys are going to struggle with the cap, but they manage to find a way. Spencer will be gone. As will the vested vets McCray, Sims, Cook, Berny, Livings, and I'm sure I have missed a few. Give Hatcher Spencer's money and call it even. Franchise is the way to go. If his play declines, let him go next year. NO cap hit later when age catches up with him. No more dead money contracts for aging players. And, the simple fact is that Hatcher's play this year makes him look way better than any free agent DT out there. So, 8 mil for a probowler and team leader, or 4 mil for some unknown potential replacement. That's a no-brainer for me.
 

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I'm no cap expert by any means, but every year I read how the Cowboys are going to struggle with the cap, but they manage to find a way. Spencer will be gone. As will the vested vets McCray, Sims, Cook, Berny, Livings, and I'm sure I have missed a few. Give Hatcher Spencer's money and call it even. Franchise is the way to go. If his play declines, let him go next year. NO cap hit later when age catches up with him. No more dead money contracts for aging players. And, the simple fact is that Hatcher's play this year makes him look way better than any free agent DT out there. So, 8 mil for a probowler and team leader, or 4 mil for some unknown potential replacement. That's a no-brainer for me.

Next year cap we are projected to be 31 million over next year and that without Spencer's money because he doesn't have a contract next year.
Yes every year we are going to have trouble and Dallas has a plan of restructuring a few players which back loads more money and puts back at the cap.

We have options in Romo, Lee, Wittin's contract that we can ue to automatically restructure their contracts. Ware is out largest cap hit next year and we can rework his contract and extend him to lower that contract. By doing all that we will be right at the cap. Then cutting a few players might few up another 3-5 million. We will still have to have money for draft picks and to extend Dez who will be on his last year.

Sorry but franchising Hatcher would be stupid and we will not have the 8 million it would take to do it. We either sign him long term or let him walk. 4 year 26 million with 8 million signing bonus would be about right.

You say signing aging players is the wrong move but look at what we did with Spencer the last two years.
Hatcher will be 32 next year, he will be good for another two years, we can cut him then before his contract gets to high.

The bottom line is we will not have the money to pay him 8 million for one year, we will have enough to take a cap hit of 3.5 million.

But let play devil advocate and say we clear 13 million under the cap, need 4-5 for draft picks, that will leave just 8 million to spend and a DT franchise tag is 8 million. So we keep Hatcher and now have no money to sign any other players that could help us. Say we clear 13 million under the cap and sign Hatcher ;long term and his cap hit is 3.5 million that means we still have 5.5 million after draft picks to sign free agents.

I hate the franchise tag and using so much cap space on one player for only one year. Spencer was a 10 million cap hit this year, thats 10 million we could have used to help this OL or defense. I say sign the player to a 4 or 5 year deal where its affordable for the first 2-3 year and you can cut the player after 2 or 3 years with low dead money or let him walk and get the comp draft pick the next year for that player.
 

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I'd let him go. He'll be 32 next season and based on this years performance the contract he will fetch will end up giving us a 3rd round supplemental pick in 2015.
 

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Just watch.

Jut watch what, we will still need 4-5 million to sign draft picks, I'm sure Stephen has a plan and a way to get under the cap, but to say he will get 12-15 million just by restructuring is crazy. But let say he does get 15 million, take 5 for draft picks so that leaves 10, you really want to take 8 of the 10 to franchise hatcher, I don't. That would be stupid. I would rather resign Hatcher and let him be a 3.5 million cap hit and use the other 6.5 or 7 million to sign other players.
 

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We'd have to let him go. He'd be missed for sure. My guess is JJ offers 3 yr 18 mil.

I'm no cap expert. I know we can restructure some contracts and I believe Austin saves us money if we cut him post June. I may be wrong on that one.
 

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I'd let him go. He'll be 32 next season and based on this years performance the contract he will fetch will end up giving us a 3rd round supplemental pick in 2015.

Agreed, I say either sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal or let him walk. But only a deal that works on both sides. I would offer him a deal where after two or three years we can cut him with a low dead money hit. Franchise tag his the worse idea for a team that needs more help than from just one player and for a team that is up against the cap.
 

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Forget about it. We won't have the money. There is nothing to discuss. You can't sign him and have any prayer for Dez and Tyron.
 

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We'd have to let him go. He'd be missed for sure. My guess is JJ offers 3 yr 18 mil.

I'm no cap expert. I know we can restructure some contracts and I believe Austin saves us money if we cut him post June. I may be wrong on that one.

Yes Miles will save us money if we cut him post June but it would be better to get him to rework his deal and Free's too.
 

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Yes Miles will save us money if we cut him post June but it would be better to get him to rework his deal and Free's too.

If I had to choose between the two I'd choose Free to rework. I think Williams will replace Austin's ability to run routes and will only get more in sync with Romo with another offseason together. We can use what we save from cutting Austin towards the trenches.
 

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If I had to choose between the two I'd choose Free to rework. I think Williams will replace Austin's ability to run routes and will only get more in sync with Romo with another offseason together. We can use what we save from cutting Austin towards the trenches.

I agree it just depends on the contract with Miles. If he would take a large pay cut I would keep him.
i don't like the June 1st cap cuts, I hate carrying over dead money for two years.
 

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I'd consider cutting ware and franchising Hatch and drafting both positions in the top 3 rounds.
 

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If that happens, then it would have to be the franchise tag...which I think would put him up around 8.5 million or so.

Actually the more I think about it, the less I think anything under 6 is going to be doable. They're going to have to franchise him if they can afford it. Freaking Suh's rookie contract giving him over $12 mil per and Gerald McCoy making over $11 screws everything up.

McCoy and Suh are a lot younger. Hatch will be 32 this offseason IIRC. No way I'm giving 8.5 mill to him. Now, with Stephen and Jerry, you never know.
 

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Yes Miles will save us money if we cut him post June but it would be better to get him to rework his deal and Free's too.

Free is here for 3.5 next year plus his carry over from restructures and bonus. I'd let Free play out next year and waive adieu.
 
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