Rev. Al, Russell Simmons, PETA add their two cents on Vick...

[Crown Royal]

"Anyone capable of forcing dogs to fight to the death should be kept away from all vulnerable forms of life, particularly children and animals," says Newkirk.
http://blog.peta.org/archives/Michael_Vick_letter.pdf​

Ludicrous leap in logic.

 

[Wood]

I think it would be smart for the league to atleast wait until the evidence in this case is presented to public because if they act too soon and it can be perceived as being too heavy handed and a rush to judgement. Vicks charges is much more severe than Pac Man or Tank but this would be first offense in the leagues eyes. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. I just hope this doesnt turn out to be another OJ high profile case where the defendent is obviously guilty but a high powered defense team uses race to persuade a jury.

 

[Hostile]

If I am Arthur Blank I waive Vick and sign Culpepper to compete with Harrington again. I wouldn't wait for a conviction. I would get the hell away from this so fast it would live peel out marks all over Vick's driveway.

I wouldn't wait to the NFL either. I'd just cut the umbilical cord.

I would not want the power of activists or activist groups picketing my stadium or my stores.

I would move before anyone else did so that everyone would know I do not excuse this kind of activity.

 

[Crown Royal]

If I am Arthur Blank I waive Vick and sign Culpepper to compete with Harrington again. I wouldn't wait for a conviction. I would get the hell away from this so fast it would live peel out marks all over Vick's driveway.

I wouldn't wait to the NFL either. I'd just cut the umbilical cord.

I would not want the power of activists or activist groups picketing my stadium or my stores.

I would move before anyone else did so that everyone would know I do not excuse this kind of activity.

All good except for one thing - what makes you think Culpepper would come back to that to compete with Harrington?

And I know how you feel about Harrington, heck, if there is a coach that he fits, he's there.

 

[superpunk]

I'm not what you could call an animal lover, but I am glad someone is speaking out against cruely to animals. I was listening to the Tom Joyner Morning Show own the radio this morning and when the subject of whether or not Vick should be "banned" from the NFL came up, Tom Joyner kept saying it's "just some dogs." "Why should he be banned for just some dogs?" Although a lifetime ban would be harsh, (maybe too harsh, I don't know), I take offense to the phrase "just some dogs." It is that attitude that allows a human to be cruel to another creature. I mean, hanging? Slamming? Drowning? Come on Tom Joyner, where is your humanity?

I like dogs, and I think puppies are adorable, yada yada yada...

but do you find it odd that we are outraged that someone could do this to animals we consider pets - but we don't care what people do to our food before we get that hamburger or veal? I realize the difference between entertainment and food - but it's cruel either way, and both are techncally unecessary.

I mean, technically, isn't horse racing pretty cruel in the name of entertainment? Circuses? I don't know. I can see where people would say "it's just a dog". Why do we determine that it is fine for us to dominate one kind of animal but live in partnership with another?

I think if people really think on that for a while, they can acknowledge that the line is at least a little blurry.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

If I am Arthur Blank I waive Vick and sign Culpepper to compete with Harrington again. I wouldn't wait for a conviction. I would get the hell away from this so fast it would live peel out marks all over Vick's driveway.

I wouldn't wait to the NFL either. I'd just cut the umbilical cord.

I would not want the power of activists or activist groups picketing my stadium or my stores.

I would move before anyone else did so that everyone would know I do not excuse this kind of activity.

Blank's probably begging Goddell to suspend Vick. If he plays this year and is found guilty at a later date, Blank'll lose fans for the Falcons and customers for Home Depot.

If he's suspended, Blank can claim it was out of his hands whether he's found guilty or not. No harm no foul.

 

[03EBZ06]

Should they send it to the red cross and a 7-11?

Not being a wise guy but who else would they send it to?

They are saying if he is found guilty we feel he should be punished. Punished in terms of the sponsorship being dropped.

Giving a heads up.

Why not to all corporate sponsors to give them heads up, if anyone found guilty of this atrocious act they should break the tie with that perpetrator.

He hasn't been found guilty yet so it has an appearance of judging him already.

I see nothing wrong with that letter, just got my radar up because it was only sent to Vick's sponsors, that's all.

 

[StonetheCrow77]

Cut Vick?? Ya, right... the Falcons will not do that for one thing and one thing only... they eat part of that contract they gave him and take a cap hit... if he is convicted, I'm sure there are out clauses for them... maybe, even, ways to get back part of their money they already gave him in signing bonus...

 

[StonetheCrow77]

I like dogs, and I think puppies are adorable, yada yada yada...

but do you find it odd that we are outraged that someone could do this to animals we consider pets - but we don't care what people do to our food before we get that hamburger or veal? I realize the difference between entertainment and food - but it's cruel either way, and both are techncally unecessary.

I mean, technically, isn't horse racing pretty cruel in the name of entertainment? Circuses? I don't know. I can see where people would say "it's just a dog". Why do we determine that it is fine for us to dominate one kind of animal but live in partnership with another?

I think if people really think on that for a while, they can acknowledge that the line is at least a little blurry.

they take a cow and put a spike through it's skull.. it dies instantly... they don't throw it into a pit with another cow and watch them rip each other apart...

 

[Hostile]

All good except for one thing - what makes you think Culpepper would come back to that to compete with Harrington?

And I know how you feel about Harrington, heck, if there is a coach that he fits, he's there.

:money:

And if all it accomplishes is that I have the 1st pick in 2008, I use it to reunite Bobby Petrino and Brian Brohm and I move on.

If Vick is found innocent, I settle with him out of court, and apologize to him as a man. But I would not, repeat NOT, wait for picket lines in front of my stores or stadium.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I like dogs, and I think puppies are adorable, yada yada yada...

but do you find it odd that we are outraged that someone could do this to animals we consider pets - but we don't care what people do to our food before we get that hamburger or veal? I realize the difference between entertainment and food - but it's cruel either way, and both are techncally unecessary.

I mean, technically, isn't horse racing pretty cruel in the name of entertainment? Circuses? I don't know. I can see where people would say "it's just a dog". Why do we determine that it is fine for us to dominate one kind of animal but live in partnership with another?

I think if people really think on that for a while, they can acknowledge that the line is at least a little blurry.

In the words of Jules Winfield a dog has a personality.

 

[Hostile]

Blank's probably begging Goddell to suspend Vick. If he plays this year and is found guilty at a later date, Blank'll lose fans for the Falcons and customers for Home Depot.

If he's suspended, Blank can claim it was out of his hands whether he's found guilty or not. No harm no foul.

I did not think about this angle, but you make a valid point.

 

[StonetheCrow77]

Does anyone really think that Mike Vick entices people to buy anything from Home Depot??

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Cut Vick?? Ya, right... the Falcons will not do that for one thing and one thing only... they eat part of that contract they gave him and take a cap hit... if he is convicted, I'm sure there are out clauses for them... maybe, even, ways to get back part of their money they already gave him in signing bonus...

Vick could pay back his entire bonus and it would have no effect on the salary cap. Separate issues as far as the NFL is concerned.


If they cut Vick, he'd count somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 million this season and 15 million next.

 

[superpunk]

they take a cow and put a spike through it's skull.. it dies instantly... they don't throw it into a pit with another cow and watch them rip each other apart...

We do keep young calves in pens to keep them tender, though. In any case, it all sounds pretty crappy and unnecessary to me.

I'm not about to stop eating steak.

I just see where there's a little fuzziness is all. We can do really horrible, nasty things to cows - encapture animals for circuses, whip horses to race them...maybe personally mine and your morals place those as acceptable where dogfighting is unthinkable - but can you see where some would not, based on their upbringing?

In the words of Jules Winfield a dog has a personality.

If you look hard enough, underneath that stupidity I think alot of things we eat have personalities.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Does anyone really think that Mike Vick entices people to buy anything from Home Depot??

Not at all, but Blank owns Home Depot and it wouldn't be a stretch to see an animal lover stop at Lowes instead if they thought he was supporting a dogfighter.

 

[StonetheCrow77]

Vick could pay back his entire bonus and it would have no effect on the salary cap. Separate issues as far as the NFL is concerned.


If they cut Vick, he'd count somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 million this season and 15 million next.

who said anything about him paying back his signing bonus and that effecting the cap? the rest of his pro rated signing bonus projected into the future is what they are worried about, I'm sure... if he gets cut, like you said, they take the hit... if he is convicted, I'm sure that hit is no longer there, because the contract would be voided by Vicks illegal actions...

Them recouping portions of the paid signing bonus would only be for their monetary value and getting portions back of investment into him... much like the Dolphins did with Ricky Williams...

 

[Concord]

Good for Sharpton...Simmons and PETA.

Go get his ***!

Dump him Nike....Just Do It!

 

[StonetheCrow77]

We do keep young calves in pens to keep them tender, though. In any case, it all sounds pretty crappy and unnecessary to me.

I'm not about to stop eating steak.

I just see where there's a little fuzziness is all. We can do really horrible, nasty things to cows - encapture animals for circuses, whip horses to race them...maybe personally mine and your morals place those as acceptable where dogfighting is unthinkable - but can you see where some would not, based on their upbringing?



If you look hard enough, underneath that stupidity I think alot of things we eat have personalities.

I live in cow country... they keep all of them in fields to graze, raising them... then they move them to a feed yard where they wait for about two months to be butchered...

I get your point, it's just not on the same level... it's like comparing UFC with knife fighting...

 

[StanleySpadowski]

who said anything about him paying back his signing bonus and that effecting the cap? the rest of his pro rated signing bonus projected into the future is what they are worried about, I'm sure... if he gets cut, like you said, they take the hit... if he is convicted, I'm sure that hit is no longer there, because the contract would be voided by Vicks illegal actions...

Them recouping portions of the paid signing bonus would only be for their monetary value and getting portions back of investment into him... much like the Dolphins did with Ricky Williams...

The salary cap hit is still there if he's convicted. The recently suspended players still count for cap purposes the exact same, heck the Vikings didn't get any cap relief when Stringer died so I'd doubt the Falcons would get any sort of break.