Rev. Al, Russell Simmons, PETA add their two cents on Vick...

[StonetheCrow77]

The salary cap hit is still there if he's convicted. The recently suspended players still count for cap purposes the exact same, heck the Vikings didn't get any cap relief when Stringer died so I'd doubt the Falcons would get any sort of break.

No, if they put clauses in the contract that voids it for illegal activity, then the cap hit is no longer there... the Cowboys do this in all of their contracts... exactly what happened with Goodrich...

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It doesn't matter if someone thinks eating steak is anywhere near dog fighting or not. What matters is what the law says. And the law says that what Vick and/or his cronies did is a felony.

But that said, I can't see how anyone can't see how the kind of cruelty involved in this allegation is anywhere near calf roping or horse racing.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Must be a first, Sharpton thinks a black man is guilty before a trial.

 

[superpunk]

I live in cow country... they keep all of them in fields to graze, raising them... then they move them to a feed yard where they wait for about two months to be butchered...

I get your point, it's just not on the same level... it's like comparing UFC with knife fighting...

I completely agree with you. But we probably share similar backgrounds, upbringings and morals. If we were raised as pirates, we probably wouldn't see the big deal with knife-fighting.

But that said, I can't see how anyone can't see how the kind of cruelty involved in this allegation is anywhere near calf roping or horse racing.

I think you got that backwards.

It's not really about whether they're similar in terms of cruelty. The things are dying either way. I was just kind of wondering aloud at how we (individually) decide when putting them to death crosses the line from slaughtering them to cruelty. Clearly that's morality more than legality. Hell - it used to be illegal to produce alcohol. Who knows where our collective morals will be in 20 years, or what they will then allow us to get away with in terms of cruelty.

Personally, I'm hoping knife-fighting makes a comeback. Or duels....those were the days...

 

[Vintage]

Personally, I'm hoping knife-fighting makes a comeback. Or duels....those were the days...

Tell that to Alexander Hamilton.

 

[StonetheCrow77]

Image removed.

Forgive the cruel photo... but, that is the reality of it... obviously, the two are no where the same level... keeping cows in "cages" and pitt bull fighting...

 

[Crown Royal]

:money:

And if all it accomplishes is that I have the 1st pick in 2008, I use it to reunite Bobby Petrino and Brian Brohm and I move on.

If Vick is found innocent, I settle with him out of court, and apologize to him as a man. But I would not, repeat NOT, wait for picket lines in front of my stores or stadium.

You just want vindication for thinking that Harrington was a stud.

I suspect this means that the first time Ken Hamlin gets caught driving drunk you will support cutting him in favor of Brandon Everage?

 

[superpunk]

ok, that photo is sick, and I'm not going to quote it since it will probably be gone soon...but I said I agreed with you. No need to post gore for one viewpoint while posting the cute and cuddly life of a slaughterhouse in another. (not exactly a representative photo...)

You're not really getting the point of what I'm saying - and I kind of expected that (nothing personal, it's just a polarizing thing - so trying to see a few angles can be nigh impossible for most people) - so I'll just drop it.

 

[Hostile]

Does anyone really think that Mike Vick entices people to buy anything from Home Depot??

That isn't even close to the point. I don't even know if he endorses them or not. I doubt it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

comparing slaughtering cows for human consumption w/ pit-bull fighting, that benefits noone despite a few greedy individual's pockets is ********, no matter how you try to spin it

 

[StonetheCrow77]

ok, that photo is sick, and I'm not going to quote it since it will probably be gone soon...but I said I agreed with you. No need to post gore for one viewpoint while posting the cute and cuddly life of a slaughterhouse in another. (not exactly a representative photo...)

You're not really getting the point of what I'm saying - and I kind of expected that (nothing personal, it's just a polarizing thing - so trying to see a few angles can be nigh impossible for most people) - so I'll just drop it.

No, it is not a cute or cuddly representative photo... it is the reality of what those cows go through before they goto the slaughter house... one of my really good friends growing up owned many feed yards and a livestock auction... that's how those cows live until they drive a stake through the base of it's skull... on the other hand, that pitt bull lives it's life fighting other dogs and ends up looking like that before it's killed in a fight or executed...

the picture is sick... that's the point... don't make less of dog fighting... it is what it is...

 

[Hostile]

You just want vindication for thinking that Harrington was a stud.

I suspect this means that the first time Ken Hamlin gets caught driving drunk you will support cutting him in favor of Brandon Everage?

This isn't even remotely close to DUI and how dare you knock my Everage is greatness plans.

That hurts.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

No, if they put clauses in the contract that voids it for illegal activity, then the cap hit is no longer there... the Cowboys do this in all of their contracts... exactly what happened with Goodrich...

You seemed confused about how the cap works.

The only time a "conduct detrimental" clause would ever come into effect would be if that conduct occurred by a vested veteran after the first game of the season when that player's contract becomes guaranteed.

The Falcons salary cap is on the hook for $15-20 million (reports vary), the pro-rated portion of his signing bonus, no matter what happens to Vick.

 

[Crown Royal]

ok, that photo is sick, and I'm not going to quote it since it will probably be gone soon...but I said I agreed with you. No need to post gore for one viewpoint while posting the cute and cuddly life of a slaughterhouse in another. (not exactly a representative photo...)

You're not really getting the point of what I'm saying - and I kind of expected that (nothing personal, it's just a polarizing thing - so trying to see a few angles can be nigh impossible for most people) - so I'll just drop it.

Superpunk, I understand what you are and have been saying, and, as a vegetarian, I try my best to live up to it.

That being said, I can still put more moral ineptitude on dog fighting than eating meat. I feel that one is more cruel than the other in many ways.

 

[Vintage]

I am not one for censorship....

But please take that picture down. Its disgusting to look at.

 

[superpunk]

No, it is not a cute or cuddly representative photo... it is the reality of what those cows go through before they goto the slaughter house... one of my really good friends growing up owned many feed yards and a livestock auction... that's how those cows live until they drive a stake through the base of it's skull... on the other hand, that pitt bull lives it's life fighting other dogs and ends up looking like that before it's killed in a fight or executed...

the picture is sick... that's the point... don't make less of dog fighting... it is what it is...

I didn't make less of it.

You've completely missed the point. Whether that's because you didn't read carefully, or I'm just not eloquent enough to get it across, I don't know.

Ugh...someone get back to me when the season starts.

 

[Crown Royal]

This isn't even remotely close to DUI and how dare you knock my Everage is greatness plans.

That hurts.

Yeah, but Harrington isn't even remotely close to the washout that Everage is, nor is Hamlin even remotely close to the talent that Vick is so I had to scale it properly.:

 

[joseephuss]

No, if they put clauses in the contract that voids it for illegal activity, then the cap hit is no longer there... the Cowboys do this in all of their contracts... exactly what happened with Goodrich...

Really? I didn't hear that and don't understand it. The cap hit is based on the signing bonus(among other things) and that could be paid years before anything happens such as Goodrich's incident. How did they wipe out his signing bonus? I did not think they did. I believe he was already done with his rookie contract by the time they cut him, so his cap hit was already done.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, but Harrington isn't even remotely close to the washout that Everage is, nor is Hamlin even remotely close to the talent that Vick is so I had to scale it properly.:

The dagger just keeps twisting.

 

[Vintage]

Superpunk, I understand what you are and have been saying, and, as a vegetarian, I try my best to live up to it.

That being said, I can still put more moral ineptitude on dog fighting than eating meat. I feel that one is more cruel than the other in many ways.

Agreed. But I don't think superpunk is saying eating meat is wrong. He is merely pointing out that he can see why there is some grey area concerning this (which incidentally, is why some people become vegetarians...they are concerned about how the animals are killed).

I take a naive approach. I hope and expect my meat to be killed in humane ways. Likely, its not true. But I don't think about that when I am biting into a juicy delicious burger.

I could survive without meat. True. I could survive without a car as well.

Dog Fighting, goes beyond that, because while the slaughtering of animals for meat is SUPPOSED to be humane, there is nothing humane about dog fighting. Its not done for the benefit of nutrition for humans. There is no way to make it humane nor is that the point of dog fighting to begin with; its a form of 'entertainment.'

And that's the difference I make.