Rev. Al, Russell Simmons, PETA add their two cents on Vick...

[StonetheCrow77]

I am not one for censorship....

But please take that picture down. Its disgusting to look at.

I was about to take it down myself... some one beat me to it...

but, as sick as it is, it's the reality of the situation...

Anyone who tries to pan it off as acceptable or less cruel than that picture, should have to look at it...

 

[superpunk]

I like to think that maybe my food deserved to be killed.

"Hey Mike - that a chicken sandwich you're eating?"

"Hell yeah! And to think, this chicken tried to steal my car!!!!!"

 

[joseephuss]

Agreed. But I don't think superpunk is saying eating meat is wrong. He is merely pointing out that he can see why there is some grey area concerning this (which incidentally, is why some people become vegetarians...they are concerned about how the animals are killed).

I take a naive approach. I hope and expect my meat to be killed in humane ways. Likely, its not true. But I don't think about that when I am biting into a juicy delicious burger.

I could survive without meat. True. I could survive without a car as well.

Dog Fighting, goes beyond that, because while the slaughtering of animals for meat is SUPPOSED to be humane, there is nothing humane about dog fighting. Its not done for the benefit of nutrition for humans. There is no way to make it humane nor is that the point of dog fighting to begin with; its a form of 'entertainment.'

And that's the difference I make.

Good points.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I like to think that maybe my food deserved to be killed.

"Hey Mike - that a chicken sandwich you're eating?"

"Hell yeah! And to think, this chicken tried to steal my car!!!!!"

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

I like to think that maybe my food deserved to be killed.

"Hey Mike - that a chicken sandwich you're eating?"

"Hell yeah! And to think, this chicken tried to steal my car!!!!!"

If they ever find out what causes your head trauma, I hope they don't fix it.

 

[blindzebra]

This interests me from a certain stand point.

The commish has came down hard on some players recently.

Now this whole Vick thing is going on.

I wonder if he will come down as hard on Vick.

Here is why I wonder about it.

Tank Johnson, Pac Man Jones and Chris Henry are not in the status of a Vick.

By status I mean it as a Franchise QB for a team and a very popular person in the NFL.

Jerk or not Vick has made money for the NFL. They have hyped him up on ESPN and other sports networks. He goes to the Pro-Bowl. Has had many sponsors. He is viewed as a young QB for todays NFL.

So in that aspect he is not like the others who have recently got in trouble.

Now I don't know if the Commish will be harsher on him since Vick is more of a superstar and in turn gets more negative press for the NFL. Will he be less harsh on him as millions of young people idolize him and watch the game because of him, helps sell jerseys and so on.

Just something to watch here. I don't know if the commish will be consistant with Vicks punishment or if he goes a little more one way or the other.

The suspension will be for embarrassing the league.

First offense doesn't matter.

No conviction doesn't matter.

I'm going to call it now...He's going to be gone for the year.

 

[Crown Royal]

The suspension will be for embarrassing the league.

First offense doesn't matter.

No conviction doesn't matter.

I'm going to call it now...He's going to be gone for the year.

Great, which means we will have to sit through yet ANOTHER offseason of stories in which vick wants 'to prove himself as a good player.'

 

[joseephuss]

The suspension will be for embarrassing the league.

First offense doesn't matter.

No conviction doesn't matter.

I'm going to call it now...He's going to be gone for the year.

2007 or 2008? I don't think he will get anything this season. Watch out for 2008. He gets 4 games at least. Probably more.

 

[blindzebra]

2007 or 2008? I don't think he will get anything this season. Watch out for 2008. He gets 4 games at least. Probably more.

He will sit this year.

There will be too much exposure on the issue for the league to wait.

The conviction won't matter, the lack of criminal acts in his past won't matter, the league will see the fans want his head on a stick.

Factor in the risk of setting a double standard for the superstars versus the rest of the players, and I see it as a no way out situation.

 

[joseephuss]

He will sit this year.

There will be too much exposure on the issue for the league to wait.

The conviction won't matter, the lack of criminal acts in his past won't matter, the league will see the fans want his head on a stick.

Factor in the risk of setting a double standard for the superstars versus the rest of the players, and I see it as a no way out situation.

I see your point. I don't quite agree at this time. I will let the fire breath for a little longer and see how things come about. We are very close to the start of training camps, thank goodness and we will see how fans react. I know there are already petitions out there calling for him to be banned for life. Maybe your prediction will come true. If not this year, at least next year they may.

 

[Yeagermeister]

The dagger just keeps twisting.

You just better hope Folk makes the team

 

[Crown Royal]

You just better hope Folk makes the team

:laugh2::laugh2:

HH31 only has the 31 yard slant.

Can Hos handle both Everage AND Folk?

 

[blindzebra]

I see your point. I don't quite agree at this time. I will let the fire breath for a little longer and see how things come about. We are very close to the start of training camps, thank goodness and we will see how fans react. I know there are already petitions out there calling for him to be banned for life. Maybe your prediction will come true. If not this year, at least next year they may.

Well being that part of the grand jury indictment is his nickname that his mom gave him, that he is on record saying anyone outside of his closest friends and family using it would mean, "It was on!" Means next year the league won't be worrying about it he's gonna be in a federal prison.

 

[Yeagermeister]

:laugh2::laugh2:

HH31 only has the 31 yard slant.

Can Hos handle both Everage AND Folk?

He better be able too because he'll never hear the end of it.

 

[burmafrd]

I cannot find myself agreeing with PETA without wanting to truly hurl.
But their point about those who are cruel to animals being risks to others is borne out by studies on serial killers. Virtually every one of them were cruel to animals. In many cases what they did to animals as kids they did to people as adults.

 

[burmafrd]

by the way- I used to have a tshirt that said "PETA"



PEOPLE for EATING TASTY ANIMALS

 

[Crown Royal]

I cannot find myself agreeing with PETA without wanting to truly hurl.
But their point about those who are cruel to animals being risks to others is borne out by studies on serial killers. Virtually every one of them were cruel to animals. In many cases what they did to animals as kids they did to people as adults.

That is still a leap in logic. It is one thing to say all serial killers abuse animals, but completely different to say that all animal abusers are serial killers.

 

[5Stars]

I think if people really think on that for a while, they can acknowledge that the line is at least a little blurry.

Good point, punk! Where I live I see all kinds of seeing-eye-cows leading the blind around and the fire department close to where I live has a trained steer that goes and helps out in fires!

The air base that I used to work for has a bomb sniffing lamb and another cow that rides around in a police car to help catch criminals.

Let's see...what else? Oh yeah, there are some chickens over here where I live that work as guard chickens in a junkcar car lot to keep theives out...so, yeah, I agree, it's blurry...indeed!

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Man, this is not looking good for Ron Mexico

 

[burmafrd]

It is a FACT that virtually all serial killers abused animals. It is also a fact that many violent criminals abuse animals. It is not a leap of logic to consider Vick a risk.