RG III vs Johnny

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If jfb wasn't a huge headcase off the field I would've preferred him. I don't feel either guy is life after romo but maybe ok backups as long as jg can learn not to handcuff people and take chances for once.
 

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What would Manziel contribute to the Cowboys when the Browns afforded him every opportunity to get his act together and he failed to show any inclination to take his job seriously?

There's a limit to how patient and forgiving any organization can be when everything the guy does suggests he's a devoted alcoholic who values good times far more than his career.

It would be all I could do to tolerate RG-3's arrival in the Cowboys organization, much less the arrival of a hapless drunk who stubbornly refuses to display any hope of accountability.
 

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I remember several reports stating teammates saying that he thought he was above them and carried himself in an arrogant way.

who did we hear more negative things about this past year? I don't want either, but it's clear which one of the two is serious about football
 

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I think Manziel is more durable and probably a little better than RGIII. People judge Johnny based on Cleveland and RGIII on one good year in Washington and that's not a good indicator of how good either is. Manziel has a much higher ceiling IMO.......but he's a knucklehead.......
 

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It is going to cost Cleveland around $2 million to cut him, and our fan base is drooling to add this clown? Never have I felt so much shame being associated with this team...
 

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To be honest, the only choice I want to make between JF and RG3 is who will have the more entertaining "30 for 30."
 

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who did we hear more negative things about this past year? I don't want either, but it's clear which one of the two is serious about football

I agree. I do not think either have much of a future in the NFL. I think both came into the league thinking far too much of themselves, but one of them has learned and has been humbled. The other one has a helicopter chasing him through Dallas.

Another route would be better, but RGIII would ok with me.
 

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It is no excuse but Johnny's family is just like him. He was brought up an outlaw. They made their fortune by hitting it big in oil many decades ago. Johnny grew up around people who were always partying, gambling, which included cockfighting and who knows what else, and buying their way out of trouble. I've done some research on his background. He was with his grandfather in a boat and they were caught going over 100mph not too long ago...lol...They are famous for buying their way out of trouble. The kid has to understand that the NFL can't be bought and he has to act accordingly in order to be given a solid chance to be something. He already has money and doesn't "need" the NFL. I just wish he would straighten up enough to see what he really has...
 

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It is no excuse but Johnny's family is just like him. He was brought up an outlaw. They made their fortune by hitting it big in oil many decades ago. Johnny grew up around people who were always partying, gambling, which included cockfighting and who knows what else, and buying their way out of trouble. I've done some research on his background. He was with his grandfather in a boat and they were caught going over 100mph not too long ago...lol...They are famous for buying their way out of trouble. The kid has to understand that the NFL can't be bought and he has to act accordingly in order to be given a solid chance to be something. He already has money and doesn't "need" the NFL. I just wish he would straighten up enough to see what he really has...

No wonder why Jones loves him. Sounds like wildcattin' is in his blood.
 

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who did we hear more negative things about this past year? I don't want either, but it's clear which one of the two is serious about football

I am looking at talent with upside . Johnny is only 23 and he wants to be a Cowboy. He has the ability to make plays on the run and he has a good chance of maturing. He was on the Browns. That one factor is enough to make anybody want to drink. The Browns have ruined more QB careers than any other team. I can't blame Johnny for wanting out of that dump. Two years on the bench and the media will leave him alone and
 

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I am looking at talent with upside . Johnny is only 23 and he wants to be a Cowboy. He has the ability to make plays on the run and he has a good chance of maturing. He was on the Browns. That one factor is enough to make anybody want to drink. The Browns have ruined more QB careers than any other team. I can't blame Johnny for wanting out of that dump. Two years on the bench and the media will leave him alone and

except it wasn't as if cleveland make him drink, however. that was his issue long before the draft even. look, i'm pulling for the guy. i know all too well what he's facing and can count my own "failures" at stopping with only a base HP calculator from the 80s. but i can count the one that made me quit on 1 finger and those times are seldom pretty. he's got a lot of fails to get through before he finds that 1 thing to make him quit. i can already tell you it's not football so regardless of where he goes, that problem is coming with him.

while i must say that's true regardless, right now it's a problem he simply can't handle. he can't play his way out of it, he can't lie his way out of it, and he can't wish it away. he's gonna have to face it and he's shown zero signs of doing that yet so that problem coming with him will become the teams problem and we just don't have time to wait for our next qb to figure out what he wants to be when he grows up.

put me down for RGIII if we gotta do this.
 

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It is going to cost Cleveland around $2 million to cut him, and our fan base is drooling to add this clown? Never have I felt so much shame being associated with this team...

I agree man. This would an all-timer(low) for Jerry & co.IF it does happen.
 

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I am looking at talent with upside . Johnny is only 23 and he wants to be a Cowboy. He has the ability to make plays on the run and he has a good chance of maturing. He was on the Browns. That one factor is enough to make anybody want to drink. The Browns have ruined more QB careers than any other team. I can't blame Johnny for wanting out of that dump. Two years on the bench and the media will leave him alone and

And what?

The media is not the problem anyways. The problem is the player one, and the environment the other.

The city of Dallas and football players that get into trouble are always a bad mix.

When is the last time a problem child showed up in Dallas, was able to lay low and forge a career?

Never. Pacman Jones had issues. Michael Irvin had issues. Greg Hardy had issues.

The microscope is on constantly, the lights are too bright and the celebrity status inevitably brings them down.

The noise is simply too hard to tune out for most players.

Making it worse, the team does next to nothing to shield the players from the scrutiny ("Fix it Rich") and it almost actively encourages the attention because that means 24-7 relevance.

Our own organizational culture makes it incredibly difficult for any party boy to succeed. The leadership at the top is simply too weak.

There is a reason why we almost have to farm boy scouts to play for the team. Get a wild one, they will be wild because of what kind of environment they are going to be active in.
 

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The microscope is on constantly, the lights are too bright and the celebrity status inevitably brings them down.

The noise is simply too hard to tune out for most players.

Making it worse, the team does next to nothing to shield the players from the scrutiny ("Fix it Rich") and it almost actively encourages the attention because that means 24-7 relevance.

Our own organizational culture makes it incredibly difficult for any party boy to succeed. The leadership at the top is simply too weak.

There is a reason why we almost have to farm boy scouts to play for the team. Get a wild one, they will be wild because of what kind of environment they are going to be active in.


Hey man, you nailed it. The culture of the Dallas Cowboys in a nutshell right here, good and bad. Well done.
 

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This staff would have no idea how to use RG3. He needs to go to SF.
 

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This staff would have no idea how to use RG3. He needs to go to SF.

Now that Kaepernick has made it known he wants out, I can see either Griffin or Manziel looking towards Kelly.
 
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