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Twitter: Rob Ryan on E:60 says Jerry and Stephen trust the wrong people *vid Post #13*

Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    so, while some of his comments have a little merit, he has no business talking about the FO of another team....he sounds like a little cry-baby (and by little, I mean big, fat and disgusting)...could you imagine Marinelli trash-talking the Bears (for example)
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  2. Cowboys22

    Cowboys22 Well-Known Member

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    Hold on. Since when is Rob Ryan the last word on who is trustworthy and who is not and why are so many of you seemingly ceeding that status to him? What he stated is merely his opinion, it isn't a verifiable fact. It may be true but it also may not. Things may also have changed since he left as the team does seem to have a different drafting philosophy and has had better drafts recently.
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  3. noshame

    noshame I'm not dead yet...... Zone Supporter

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    If this is news to anybody who's been a fan this team at least since '96 I'd be shocked. Although it seems the last couple drafts somebody else is pressing Jerry in a different direction, hopefully that person is Stephen.
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  4. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    This is true of every team. There are members of each organization that are entrusted with providing advice and guidance in building and improving the team. What is the result? What is the standard? There are some that think winning the Superbowl is the only standard that should held. Well not every team wins one and most teams don't come close. There are franchises out there that would actually envy the ability to finish at least 8-8 for one season. There are lots of guys trusted out there, but there also isn't a lot of consistent success in the league.
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  5. DallasDW00ds0n

    DallasDW00ds0n Well-Known Member

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    People are making jokes on Ryan, but 20 years of fail... You gotta believe there's some truth to it
  6. Jerryrage

    Jerryrage Well-Known Member

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    So did Rob take a shot at Tom Ciskowski, Todd Williams or Judd Garrett? Or all of them? Guess nobody will ever know.
  7. VACowboy

    VACowboy Well-Known Member

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    I don't think we know who Jerry talks to and whose advice he heeds. i know I don't, and I don't trust the media to give an honest take on it.

    Can anyone give an example of bad advice that Jerry has followed? Is this all draft-related? (honest questions)

    If Jerry has been getting bad advice and it's the reason the team has been mediocre for a while, can we gather from recent draft history, the youthful construction of this team and this year's success (so far) that a change has taken place?
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  8. CoCo

    CoCo Well-Known Member

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    I haven't figured out yet how we have won 70% of our games this year. Who did some right things to create that result? Per some its not Jerry as he doesn't know talent. Per others its not Garrett cause he can't coach. It can't be the talent because our FO is so screwed up they'd have no way of finding or securing talent.

    It's his own incompetence that Jerry hasn't won a SB in 20 years, but it's everyone else's fault that Rob Ryan has been a DC for 20 years without becoming a HC.
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  9. LittleBoyBlue

    LittleBoyBlue Redvolution

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  10. SultanOfSix

    SultanOfSix Star Power

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    Speculative old news.

    This sounds like a "make myself relevant again by talking about the Cowboys" shot in the dark.
  11. Neverhood

    Neverhood Active Member

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    For the people saying "oh what a convenient time for Rob Ryan to start talking" this is actually a month+ old not that the saints were great a month ago but just sayin
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  12. camelboy

    camelboy mgcowboy

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    The guy simply spent time here and had difference of opinions with JJ/SJ and the people around them. I go to meetings at work and discuss alot of stuff for my boss to side with someone else, so I go out and tell others he trusts the wronf people, just because they won the argument and he chose their opinion over mine. It happens.
    I am not saying he is right or wrong, but the simple fact that his defense in Dallas wasn't that good, his defense in NO is also regressing, so his view is as good as the rest.
    It doesn't help him as well seeing Rod M. doing what he is doing with a depleted defense.

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  13. LucaBrasi

    LucaBrasi Sleeps with the fishes

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    Can't remember where I read it, but Larry Lacewell was a huge supporter of hiring Monte Kiffin. Certainly think this is where Rob Ryan is directing his comments.

    Generally, agree with what Ryan is saying but seems an odd time to bring it up.
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  14. atlantacowboy

    atlantacowboy Well-Known Member

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    Interesting but not exactly shocking news. You can't string together this level of mediocrity over an 18 year period without taking some bad advice.
  15. atlantacowboy

    atlantacowboy Well-Known Member

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    He only brings it up when they stick a microphone in his face. The Ryan family isn't exactly known for stoic silence. :)
  16. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    For me it's hard to tell because Ryan didn't name names and the failures of this organization have come in many different forms. So, it's hard to pinpoint just one thing.

    I don't think Ryan was trying to say it with any malice. Again, he didn't name names and said good things about Jerry and Stephen and inferred that they weren't the main problem. With that, I'm always open ears. Even if it is not the truth or Ryan is misinterpreting things...I'm always interested in the perception from former employees. If you get enough people saying the same thing, even if it is not actually true...perception ends up becoming reality.

    I think it would go further than Larry Lacewell. Given that Garrett hired Ryan and then wanted Kiffin, I wouldn't be surprised if he felt Garrett was untrustworthy. While I admire the job Garrett has done so far this season, he does have instances where he has politicked for this job and passed the buck on other coaches. And you had Jesse Holley, a fairly standup player, stating that Garrett sabotaged Wade Phillips in 2010 by limiting his playbook.

    The other person I think of is Ciskowski. He doesn't come off as untrustworthy, but the scouts are usually the first guys to grumble at anything and have the least amount of loyalty. Can't blame them as scouts come and go.

  17. atlantacowboy

    atlantacowboy Well-Known Member

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    Nice post. Lacewell and Ciskowski are a disaster. Lacewell in particular put together some of their worst drafts in NFL history and Ciskowski hasn't been much better. The fact those 2 guys have been Jerry's closest advisors on draft day for the past 18 years of futility explains a lot.
  18. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Did they mention the part about Switzer having an affair with Lacewell's wife? There was also a story about Jerry wrecking somebody's car (I think is was Switzer's) back in the day.
  19. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    The best thing the Parcells did for the Cowboys was to fire Lacewell.
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  20. dfense

    dfense Well-Known Member

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    That's the kind of talk that will cost him in the future. Don't talk about past employers in a negative light. When the Saints let him go, and they will since Shawn isn't going to fire his offensive coordinator since he's it. Other teams aren't going to hire a guy who burns bridges. Professionalism is not a Ryan strong suit.

    Maybe Rex and Ryan can spend some family time together this off season in between looking for work.

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