Romo looking out of Shape

[WPBCowboysFan]

I'm no Eli fan I simply respect what he's accomplished and have given him credit. I also respect what Roethlisberger and Flacco have accomplished and have given them some credit. Dude, you're nothing but a bitter FAN who's so biased you tear apart every QB's game who have accomplished more than Romo. After what happened last season vs Wash twice I can only imagine the number you've done on RG3's game. :laugh2:

Dude, Im not bitter.

I look at E-Lie and I see Mark Rypien or Trent Dilfer. You E-Lie lovers want to crown his *** but he is who I thought he was! A goofball that happened to be in the right place at the right time. Luck played a HUGE part in the first SB he won. There is no denying it. I was tickled to death that they beat the Patriots. I was rooting for them hard. But I dont equate a lucky win with a clutch QB. I saw it with my own eyes. I know what happened. I know how they won. I saw the Tyree catch. But, just because I wnated them to beat the Pats doesnt mean I annoint E-Lie as somebody he isnt.

Flacco played well in the post season and got his ring. But lets face it, if it wasnt for a horrible horrible play by the Denver defense the Ravens would have been watching the SB just like you and me - on TV. Is Flacco some stud superstar QB? Not yet. Maybe he will be, but he's still who he is - a better than average QB who played well and things went his way.

So, I'm not bitter bro. I just dont adore E-Lie or his accomplishments in the same way you do.

 

[TheSport78]

It's a crap conversation. What's to add?

I really think it's a valid one, IMO.

 

[KJJ]

Why do you think that he does not respond to either you or I? :laugh2:

He doesn't respond to you because he probably really has you on ignore. lol You can be a real nuisance even I came close to putting you on ignore. :laugh2: Just because someone isn't responding doesn't mean they're not reading your posts. You can read someones posts and simply not respond making them think you have them on ignore. Once someone boasts they're you're putting someone on ignore they have to at least pretend or they end up looking silly like Apollo Creed who always responds to me after claiming days earlier he was putting me on ignore. :laugh2: Even if you put someone on ignore you can still see their posts if they've been quoted by someone.

I get quoted all the time and trust me ufc has read them and ends up following the discussion. I know because of some the comments he's made that coincided with a comment I just made. You can remove someone from your ignore list to follow a discussion then put them back on it. The ignore feature is just a way for some to escape reality. I cornered him on several issues that he had no answers for and to escape the discussion he claimed he was putting me on ignore. :laugh2:

 

[KJJ]

Dude, Im not bitter.

I look at E-Lie and I see Mark Rypien or Trent Dilfer.

You refer to him as "E-LIE" everytme you mention him because you're a bitter Cowboy FAN. If you see Mark Rypien and Trent Dilfer in Eli then you don't have a very good eye.

 

[KJJ]

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I just dont adore E-Lie or his accomplishments in the same way you do.

You hate Eli because of his accomplishments. I respect any QB who's able to drive their team down the field with time running down to win a SB. It's hard for you to accept the fact that Eli has been able to do what Romo hasn't and that's overcome mega turnovers and boneheaded plays to lead his team to 2 SB wins. If Romo had Eli's resume of accomplishments you'd be singing a different tune. You're one of the most biased FANS on this board.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Dude, Im not bitter.

I look at E-Lie and I see Mark Rypien or Trent Dilfer. You E-Lie lovers want to crown his *** but he is who I thought he was! A goofball that happened to be in the right place at the right time. Luck played a HUGE part in the first SB he won. There is no denying it. I was tickled to death that they beat the Patriots. I was rooting for them hard. But I dont equate a lucky win with a clutch QB. I saw it with my own eyes. I know what happened. I know how they won. I saw the Tyree catch. But, just because I wnated them to beat the Pats doesnt mean I annoint E-Lie as somebody he isnt.

Flacco played well in the post season and got his ring. But lets face it, if it wasnt for a horrible horrible play by the Denver defense the Ravens would have been watching the SB just like you and me - on TV. Is Flacco some stud superstar QB? Not yet. Maybe he will be, but he's still who he is - a better than average QB who played well and things went his way.

So, I'm not bitter bro. I just dont adore E-Lie or his accomplishments in the same way you do.

Oh darnnn.. you said "E-Lie" and quoted crappy football coaches.. sounds like an iron clad argument you got going here.

:laugh2:

 

[Szczepanik]

Romo will never look like Brady Quinn, get over it.

 

[Primetime42]

Romo will never look like Brady Quinn, get over it.

"Now I'm done."

 

[TheSport78]

Romo will never look like Brady Quinn, get over it.

You guys do a good job of deviating from the actual point.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

You hate Eli because of his accomplishments. I respect any QB who's able to drive their team down the field with time running down to win a SB. It's hard for you to accept the fact that Eli has been able to do what Romo hasn't and that's overcome mega turnovers and boneheaded plays to lead his team to 2 SB wins. If Romo had Eli's resume of accomplishments you'd be singing a different tune. You're one of the most biased FANS on this board.

I dont HATE E-Lie bro. I just see him for what he is.

You lose all credibility when you make accusations like "hating Eli" and "bitter" just because somebody sees a guy for what he is. Acknowledging reality and truth isnt hate or bitterness. And besides, Im a Cowboys fan, not a Giants fan!

 

[TheSport78]

I dont HATE E-Lie bro. I just see him for what he is.

You lose all credibility when you make accusations like "hating Eli" and "bitter" just because somebody sees a guy for what he is. Acknowledging reality and truth isnt hate or bitterness. And besides, Im a Cowboys fan, not a Giants fan!

Perception is reality and that's your PERCEPTION of Eli; it doesn't make your opinion "the truth."

 

[jnday]

I dont HATE E-Lie bro. I just see him for what he is.

You lose all credibility when you make accusations like "hating Eli" and "bitter" just because somebody sees a guy for what he is. Acknowledging reality and truth isnt hate or bitterness. And besides, Im a Cowboys fan, not a Giants fan!

When are you going to see Romo for what he really is?

 

[coogrfan]

You hate Eli because of his accomplishments. I respect any QB who's able to drive their team down the field with time running down to win a SB. It's hard for you to accept the fact that Eli has been able to do what Romo hasn't and that's overcome mega turnovers and boneheaded plays to lead his team to 2 SB wins. If Romo had Eli's resume of accomplishments you'd be singing a different tune. You're one of the most biased FANS on this board.

Uh-huh.

In SB XLII the NYG def held the Pats #1 ranked off to a mere 14 points (more than 3 tds less than NE's season avg). Eli and the NYG offense scored 17 (NE's D allowed 17.1 per game that year).

In SB XLVI the NYG D again held Brady and co in check, allowing only 17 pts (15 pts below NE's season avg), while NY's O once again performed about as one would expect (scored 21; NE's D allowed 21.4 per game that year).

Call me crazy, but it seems to me that the NYG defense should get the lion's share of the credit for those two Lombardi Trophys. More to the point, if Eli's defense hadn't played so incredibly well in those SB's, would we be having this conversation? Or would Eli be known as just another "guy who can't win the big one"?

 

[TheSport78]

Uh-huh.

In SB XLII the NYG def held the Pats #1 ranked off to a mere 14 points (more than 3 tds less than NE's season avg). Eli and the NYG offense scored 17 (NE's D allowed 17.1 per game that year).

In SB XLVI the NYG D again held Brady and co in check, allowing only 17 pts (15 pts below NE's season avg), while NY's O once again performed about as one would expect (scored 21; NE's D allowed 21.4 per game that year).

Call me crazy, but it seems to me that the NYG defense should get the lion's share of the credit for those two Lombardi Trophys. More to the point, if Eli's defense hadn't played so incredibly well in those SB's, would we be having this conversation? Or would Eli be known as just another "guy who can't win the big one"?

Keep attempting to take credit away from Eli. The fact is, he did well enough to win. He didn't turn the ball over, something Romo has a problem avoiding. I can't believe some things I read on this board!

 

[Miller]

I'm not comparing anyone here but why take away what Eli has done? Is he a consistent top tier QB? No. But in two SBs he made 2 top plays.

1) You can say it is all Tyree but Eli basically was almost sacked multiple times on the play, kept it alive and put the ball in a place where at least Tyree had a shot. Credit the D and everyone else for the Giants but when a play was needed, Eli stepped up. He also, after this play, hit Plaxico with a fade pattern with 35 seconds left. Was that luck under pressure?

2) Rematch and stuck at their own endzone behind Eli again drops a 38 yarder right into Manninghams hands between 2 defenders. Was that luck? The throw was perfect. He then led them down the field for the winning TD. They guy was 30-40 in the game and had no mistakes.

Stop the silliness. I'll take what Eli has done all day over gaudy stats and nothing. I'm a fan of Romo and at the same time I think he makes critical mistakes but he can still learn and get better. What I think about him though doesn't mean I have to put down others to raise him up.

 

[coogrfan]

Keep attempting to take credit away from Eli. The fact is, he did well enough to win.

Eli did pretty much what everyone had done versus NE in the two years in question. In both instances the NYG D played so amazingly well that those average performances by their O were enough to win.

My point here is that it's a team sport. Who's to say that Romo wouldn't have a couple of rings by now if he had ever been fortunate enough to have a great defense capable of shutting down one of the best offenses in the history of the sport, one led by arguably the finest qb of this generation?

He didn't turn the ball over, something Romo has a problem avoiding.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm
Eli: career td % 4.7, career int % 3.2, career fumbles 73

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm
Romo: career td % 5.5, career int % 2.8, career fumbles 51

I can't believe some things I read on this board!

*sigh*

Neither can I, but I try not to let it get me down.

 

[ladiewolve]

The microscope this man is placed under and the unending conjecture thrown out regarding his commitment to football is ridiculous. Romo has never had an impressive physique but who cares? It's just his body-type and he's a QB! Ben Roethlisberger anyone?

LOL..right on! "Ben Roethlisberger"..Post of the day!!!:laugh1:

 

[Doomsday101]

Eli did pretty much what everyone had done versus NE in the two years in question. In both instances the NYG D played so amazingly well that those average performances by their O were enough to win.

My point here is that it's a team sport. Who's to say that Romo wouldn't have a couple of rings by now if he had ever been fortunate enough to have a great defense capable of shutting down one of the best offenses in the history of the sport, one led by arguably the finest qb of this generation?



http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm
Eli: career td % 4.7, career int % 3.2, career fumbles 73

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm
Romo: career td % 5.5, career int % 2.8, career fumbles 51



*sigh*

Neither can I, but I try not to let it get me down.

I agree. I'm not looking to put down a QB like Eli but when talking about SB you have to look at all the factors not just the QB. Dallas defense has not stepped up like NY defense has and it means a lot when you are getting the turnovers and the stops to put the ball back in the hands of the offense.

Romo has made mistakes but anyone watching NY knows so has Eli one big differance NY defense steps up and get the ball back after a mistake by the offense they don't just allow the other team to march down the field and put up points.

I just think it is so simple minded of those who think it is the QB winning the SB when so many of the 53 man roster is playing key roles in the success or failure of a team. Maybe that is why more than just the QB gets a ring for winning a SB? :laugh2:

 

[Miller]

Eli did pretty much what everyone had done versus NE in the two years in question. In both instances the NYG D played so amazingly well that those average performances by their O were enough to win.

My point here is that it's a team sport. Who's to say that Romo wouldn't have a couple of rings by now if he had ever been fortunate enough to have a great defense capable of shutting down one of the best offenses in the history of the sport, one led by arguably the finest qb of this generation?



http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm
Eli: career td % 4.7, career int % 3.2, career fumbles 73

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm
Romo: career td % 5.5, career int % 2.8, career fumbles 51



*sigh*

Neither can I, but I try not to let it get me down.

As I said the bottom of the last page, you can say its the defense but Eli still made the throws on game winning drives. Especially the one to Manningham. It's a disservice to the player when people try and play plug and play..."put Romo on that team and..." No it doesn't work that way because Romo may have not thrown that ball to Manningham perfectly. He may have thrown a pick or thrown a short out..who knows. If it was as easy and plugging guys into systems, every QB would be HOF worthy.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I dont HATE E-Lie bro. I just see him for what he is.

You lose all credibility when you make accusations like "hating Eli" and "bitter" just because somebody sees a guy for what he is. Acknowledging reality and truth isnt hate or bitterness. And besides, Im a Cowboys fan, not a Giants fan!

Credibility..

The problem is, you may see him for what he is, but you don't want to give him credit for what he's done.

He was a big reason why his teams won those two super bowls.. whether you want to acknowledge it or not.