Romo looking out of Shape

[coogrfan]

As I said the bottom of the last page, you can say its the defense but Eli still made the throws on game winning drives. Especially the one to Manningham. It's a disservice to the player when people try and play plug and play..."put Romo on that team and..." No it doesn't work that way because Romo may have not thrown that ball to Manningham perfectly. He may have thrown a pick or thrown a short out..who knows. If it was as easy and plugging guys into systems, every QB would be HOF worthy.

Is it more of a "disservice" than saying "player X is a winner, player y is not" without taking into account the completely different nature of the teams they play for?

 

[ufcrules1]

Credibility..

The problem is, you may see him for what he is, but you don't want to give him credit for what he's done.

He was a big reason why his teams won those two super bowls.. whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Yup he isn't a two time superbowl MVP
for nothing. He played some outstanding
football on the highest possible level.

Eli > Romo. And I can't stand Eli or the Ginas.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yup he isn't a two time superbowl MVP
for nothing. He played some outstanding
football on the highest possible level.

Eli > Romo. And I can't stand Eli or the Ginas.

I wouldn't say Eli is better than Romo.. but i do agree he played some very good football on the biggest stage.

 

[TheSport78]

Eli did pretty much what everyone had done versus NE in the two years in question. In both instances the NYG D played so amazingly well that those average performances by their O were enough to win.

My point here is that it's a team sport. Who's to say that Romo wouldn't have a couple of rings by now if he had ever been fortunate enough to have a great defense capable of shutting down one of the best offenses in the history of the sport, one led by arguably the finest qb of this generation?

Because Romo hasn't and Eli has. I can't debate using hypotheticals for Romo anymore. He needs to have a big game in a big time situation.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm
Eli: career td % 4.7, career int % 3.2, career fumbles 73

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm
Romo: career td % 5.5, career int % 2.8, career fumbles 51

What about playoff statistics? Marino is one of the greatest QB's of all time, but why isn't he mentioned with the Bradys, Mannings, Montanas, Elways, etc.? We know the answer.

*sigh*

Neither can I, but I try not to let it get me down.

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[Miller]

Is it more of a "disservice" than saying "player X is a winner, player y is not" without taking into account the completely different nature of the teams they play for?

Not really. They still have to play their position to the best of their ability. Listen, I'm a Romo fan, but it isn't like he has been devoid of talent or opportunities to succeed in big games or in seasons. So don't act like he has had 7 years of teams where he has had to support everyone, including the D. Eli had a D but the D doesn't avoid the rush and throw to Tyree and then throw a TD to Plaxico with 35 second left. The D doesn't feel the rush backed up against their own endzone and throw a perfectly thrown ball to Manningham. I agree that its a team game but if you just poopoo everything a QB does than why have a HOF or acknowledge great QBs. If they win SBs, most are surrounded by great players, but it doesn't take away what they do. You just can't take an average QB, stick him in the same situation on the Giants and say he wins. Romo isn't average but you don't know what he does in those situations.

You're a UH guy. I lived there 18 years. Did you see the David Carr stuff? EVERY year fans said..."if he only had a line, if he only had a 2nd WR, if he only had a reliable TE." The reality is that Carr wasn't a good pro QB prospect. Even when he had protection he stared down WRs, wouldn't throw the ball away, had horrible mechanics, etc. Some guys can have everything and still not make it work.

 

[Szczepanik]

You guys do a good job of deviating from the actual point.

Don't believe there is a point behind Romo looking out of shape. Regardless of his weight he has had the uncanny ability to escape pressure. Romo's weight is a topic that is hit on every year, and imo is very unnecessary.

 

[Gadfly22]

I'm sure that somewhere there are threads with sharp-minded, cogent arguments, incisive football insights, useful tidbits of information regarding on-field strategy, techniques, defensive philosophies, game plans or roster structure.

Just not in this thread.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Anyone else agree? I know he just had surgery but, really it was a one day thing, he looks to be about 15 pounds over wieght

If he is, that's why they pay conditioning and strength coaches; physical fitness people; weight and body mass, fat gagers, you name it. Enough said.

 

[KJJ]

I dont HATE E-Lie bro. I just see him for what he is.

You lose all credibility when you make accusations like "hating Eli" and "bitter" just because somebody sees a guy for what he is. Acknowledging reality and truth isnt hate or bitterness. And besides, Im a Cowboys fan, not a Giants fan!

You hate Eli and it's silly to deny it. You have posts all over the board that scream hated for the guy. You refuse to give him an ounce of credit for the Giants 2 SB wins when he clearly played a huge part in those championships. You don't see him for what he is or you wouldn't see him as Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien. There's not an ounce of truth or reality behind that comparison. A ridiculous comparison like that leaves you with ZERO credibility. You started a thread at the end of last season that ended with 46 pages tearing Eli's game apart. Even a few fans on this board were talking shots at you for discrediting him while making excuses for Romo's meltdown vs Wash. If you didn't hate Eli you wouldn't keep bashing him all the time and referring to him as "E-LIE."

You're a typical biased armchair Cowboy FAN who doesn't provide a sliver of objectivity. All you do is apologize for Romo's meltdowns while bashing every QB who outplays him. A fan here can't give a QB an ounce of credit without you making some ridiculous comment or questioning their fandom. Here's a comment you made because I gave RG3 some credit and wasn't feeling real good about the Cowboys chances vs Washington in the season finale. Your agenda is becoming obvious to everyone.

IF, and its a big IF, you'll be posting about your boy RG3 and how he is better in big games than Romo.

 

[Crown Royal]

As I said the bottom of the last page, you can say its the defense but Eli still made the throws on game winning drives. Especially the one to Manningham. It's a disservice to the player when people try and play plug and play..."put Romo on that team and..." No it doesn't work that way because Romo may have not thrown that ball to Manningham perfectly. He may have thrown a pick or thrown a short out..who knows. If it was as easy and plugging guys into systems, every QB would be HOF worthy.

He should be thankful Manningham didn't lose the ball in the lights.

 

[Disturbed]

So a professional athlete got a huge payday and then relaxed and put on weight....no news here. Very predictable.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Anyone else agree? I know he just had surgery but, really it was a one day thing, he looks to be about 15 pounds over wieght

Even 15 extra pounds would not affect him much. In fact, some bulk would be welcomed.

But maybe what you are really seeing is a money belt under his clothes.

 

[KJJ]

Uh-huh.

In SB XLII the NYG def held the Pats #1 ranked off to a mere 14 points (more than 3 tds less than NE's season avg). Eli and the NYG offense scored 17 (NE's D allowed 17.1 per game that year).

In SB XLVI the NYG D again held Brady and co in check, allowing only 17 pts (15 pts below NE's season avg), while NY's O once again performed about as one would expect (scored 21; NE's D allowed 21.4 per game that year).

Call me crazy, but it seems to me that the NYG defense should get the lion's share of the credit for those two Lombardi Trophys. More to the point, if Eli's defense hadn't played so incredibly well in those SB's, would we be having this conversation? Or would Eli be known as just another "guy who can't win the big one"?

This is just another attempt at trying to steer credit away from Eli. In 07 NE was on the way down entering the playoffs while the Giants were on the way up. NE's #1 offense was starting to sputter along with Brady's game. Brady put up a record 50 TD passes during the regular season in 07 but only managed 6 TD's in the playoffs and SB. NE's offense was averaging around 33 points during the regular season but only scored over 30 points once in the playoffs and SB.

In the AFC title game vs San Diego NE scored only 21 points and Brady was awful tossing 3 int's. Although the Giants defense played well in the SB NY was behind with time running down and it took a last ditch drive by Eli and the Giants offense to pull that game out. No one on the Giants defense was named the SB MVP it was Eli who clearly outplayed Brady. In the 2011 SB Eli again outplayed Brady and once again was clutch when the game was on the line. When the Giants were behind late in the 4th quarter it was Eli and the Giants offense that once again had to pull the game out.

Eli made some terrific throws under pressure the one to Manningham was as good as it gets but naturally FANS here chalked it up to luck and a great catch. Again Eli showed great poise under extreme pressure in a do or die situation in the biggest game there is and came through. Once again Eli was named the SB MVP. Why some FANS here can't bring themselves to give him some credit is amusing to me. Not only did he have MVP performances in those 2 SB wins but he played outstanding in the playoffs both seasons. He set an NFL record for TD passes in the 4th quarter during the 2011 regular season bringing the Giants from behind in several games. That team would have never even made the playoffs had Eli not brought them back in several of those games.

He led a 10 win team in 07 that wasn't anything special to a championship over a 17-0 team that appeared to be the greatest team ever. He led the only 9-7 team in NFL history to a SB win and out-dueled Tom Brady twice with a Lombardi trophy on the line. If Tony Romo had accomplished what Eli has NO FAN on this board would be discrediting him or attempting to downplay his SB MVP performances by giving most of the credit to the defense or chalking it all up to luck. If you believe FANS here Eli has won 2 championships because of LUCK and being carried by his defense. I understand this a Cowboys FAN site but it's a waste of time reading posts and arguing with FANS who lack honesty and objectivity or are simply blinded by their homerism.

 

[Red Dragon]

$108 million contract.

The naysayers can continue to be naysayers.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

KJJ you get a tingle up your leg just thinking about E-Lie, dont ya?

http://i117.***BLOCKED***/albums/o66/rassele/eli2.jpg

 

[KJJ]

More to the point, if Eli's defense hadn't played so incredibly well in those SB's, would we be having this conversation? Or would Eli be known as just another "guy who can't win the big one"?

Had Eli not played so well in the playoffs both seasons avoiding all the many turnovers that have plagued him during the regular season we wouldn't be having this conversation. Had he not pulled away from that sure sack and completed the pass to Tyree during the 07 SB or threw that perfect strike to Manningham 4 years later with that SB on the line we wouldn't be having this discussion. Unlike Romo he played his best football when it mattered most. When games were on the line he didn't turn the ball over he made the throws that had to be made when it was down to do or die. Both SB wins came down to Eli having to make desperation throws and he pulled them off.

Romo has been in the same situation in elimination games and has melted down with turnovers. That's not being hateful toward Romo that's just telling it like it is. The difference between Eli and Romo is that Eli has avoided turnovers in these big games and has put TD's on the board. The Giants defense didn't look so good during either SB season when Eli was turning the ball over left and right putting them back on the field time and time again having to defend a short field. A chunk of Alfred Morris' 200 yards rushing in the season finale last year vs the Cowboys came after Romo's turnovers.

 

[KJJ]

Define "bulk."

The mass or magnitude of something large. :toast:

 

[KJJ]

KJJ you get a tingle up your leg just thinking about E-Lie, dont ya?

http://i117.***BLOCKED***/albums/o66/rassele/eli2.jpg

You're the one who brought Eli up you mention him in every discussion about Romo. The only time I bring Eli up is when you or someone else mentions him. Here's what got this discussion started between us. The post below is a comment I made to 5Stars.

I'm sure none of them are professional athletes who are making over $100 million. There's a lot of scrutiny that comes with making a lot of money and being the starting QB of an NFL team.

After I made that comment this was your reply to me.

Romo is scrutinized because he is Romo AND he is the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. Take your boy E-Lie for instance, he has never gotten anywhere near the scrutiny that Romo gets. As goofy as E-Lie is he should get some scrutiny as the starting QB if what you say is accurate. E-Lie doesnt get near the scrutiny he should get for his goofiness as compared to Romo's golf and weight scrutiny by comparison. Its not about being a starting QB, its all about being Romo and its the Cowboys.

The Eli discussions all start with YOU you're the one who's fixated on him. :laugh2: You look for every opportunity to bash him and you claim you don't hate him? Dude you've been exposed!

 

[TheSport78]

The mass or magnitude of something large. :toast:

Which could be lean muscle or adipose tissue.

With Romo, it sure looks like the latter.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Unshaven and scruffy? Yes.

Cap on backwards and not fitted? Yes.

Fat, bloated, stuffed with Cheetos, and all the other crap posted? No.

Is he ripped like Ware? No, and never has been.

Is this ridiculous? Of course, but par for the course.

Agree with all... except I do see a little chimpmunk Elvis of 1977 in his face. Maybe its just the photos?