Romo Scenarios and their cap hits

[dwreck27]

Sam Bradford just got traded this season for a 1st and I don't think he can hold romos jock strap.

If a team is desperate enough and thinks they are the broncos with one key QB position player away they will pull the trigger. I'm sorry if you have he chance to win the super bowl you take it...

 

[Nightman]

Does Romo have veto power written into his contract?

that is a question I haven't found an answer for.......but no trade clauses are rare in the NFL

 

[Nightman]

Thanks for putting this together.

Dallas is over the cap by 7 mil and will carry forward about 6 mil. So lets assume that cancels out.
The free agents need to be signed and money allocated for draft picks before draft.
We need to sign/resign 1-2 CB, 1-2 WR, and 1-2 S. Also may want to resign DL Mcclain. Who knows what happens to Leary - probably cannot afford, and he will want to leave unless Collins moves to RT.

So lets assume 20-25M will be needed.
We can restructure TSmith and probably TFred to get us most of the way - is that right?

So my questions are:
1. Do you think there are enough restructures to get us the necessary money without changing Tony's contract by draft day? If so, Tony's money would only be relevant for resigning someone like Martin after draft day (possibly during the 2017 season).
2. Is 20-25M enough - other than resigning Martin.
3. If Tony is traded, teams should be willing to pay $15M for QB. The bonus do not count on their cap? He could restructure to help Dallas sign players, but why would Romo need to lose a single dollar? Or is this your 3 yr / 41M plan?

1- without Tony DAL can still restructure 5 top contracts and get 30m+
2- plenty and Martin doesn't have to be signed until 2019
3- 15m is a bargain for a QB like Romo and my plan would guarantee him 23m if traded...he has 0m guaranteed right now.....23m is still hard to turn down

 

[Kaiser]

that is a question I haven't found an answer for.......but no trade clauses are rare in the NFL

A couple of factors in that is that even without a No Trade Clause, the front office loves Romo and wouldn't send him to some place that he hated.

The other side of the coin is that if the trade spot was bad enough, Romo could threaten to retire rather than going to the new team.

I think Romo would go to a Contender because its in everyone's interest and its likely the team offering the most in trade will be a contender anyway, one that sees itself as a top tier QB away from the Super Bowl.

 

[Nightman]

You know the cap very well but looking at under the cap it looks like we save 5 mil on an early cut or trade and 14 mil with a June 1 cut

that is right...... but that is what we save....that is different than what it will cost

right now he counts for 24.7m.....if traded early he counts for 19.6m....that = 5.1m in savings

If he is traded after June 1st he still counts 10.7 which is a 14.7m off of 24.7m

 

[Nightman]

A couple of factors in that is that even without a No Trade Clause, the front office loves Romo and wouldn't send him to some place that he hated.

The other side of the coin is that if the trade spot was bad enough, Romo could threaten to retire rather than going to the new team.

I think Romo would go to a Contender because its in everyone's interest and its likely the team offering the most in trade will be a contender anyway, one that sees itself as a top tier QB away from the Super Bowl.

that is why I suggested a Sign and Trade....it bumps up his guarantees to 23m instead of 0m....that is the reward for cooperating.........if he thinks he can get more on his own he can't just retire and sign somewhere else.....DAL keeps his rights

 

[conner01]

that is right...... but that is what we save....that is different than what it will cost

right now he counts for 24.7m.....if traded early he counts for 19.6m....that = 5.1m in savings

If he is traded after June 1st he still counts 10.7 which is a 14.7m off of 24.7m

Thanks

 

[Nightman]

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it! Tony & (his wife) are going to have a lot of say about which team he
might go to next year. The Cowboys have just one point of leverage. They can pay him since he's under contract
or they can release him next year as a June 1st cut. They could try and trade him but, he can nix the idea by rejecting
the trade and retiring. That way all his remaining CAP hit comes to bear. I think Jerry will try and work out trading Tony
to a good team in the AFC and I also think Denver & Houston might fit his wife's desire to stay close to home base in Dallas.
Tony has a load of leverage how this goes down in the off-season unless Jerry wants to keep Tony at his current price.
Tony is not going to redo his deal to remain a backup...Just not in his DNA.

they would have to find someone to trade Osweiler to first....not impossible but that new team might want Romo more

 

[Tabascocat]

they would have to find someone to trade Osweiler to first....not impossible but that new team might want Romo more

They would have to suck it up and pay him to be a back-up. No one is trading for Brock

 

[ConstantReboot]

In a perfect world Romo stays here as backup to Dak and signs a cap friendly contract. But I highly doubt thats going to happen. Romo wants to play and has some good years left.

I think they will part ways though - just like what happened to Ware.

 

[Nightman]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/brock-osweiler-9867/

Taking a look at Osweiler's deal, there's no chance they dump him. The cap hit would be $25 million, on top of whatever they would have to pay for Romo.

If they're willing to admit their mistake, they could sit him until 2018 and release him then. But I have doubts that it could or would happen.

Not really.......16m of that is his base salary which the new team would pay and owe....his dead hit would be 9m which isn't bad

 

[Nightman]

Again, I think some folks are strongly overestimating Tony's trade value when teams know he's likely going to be released if they just wait. Unless a team is desperate for him, or teams fear there will be a bidding war for him when he inevitably hits the open market, I just don't see these high draft picks some are predicting.

DAL won't just release him......his contract is do-able as is.......we aren't paying Dak squat

they will keep him as back-up and restructure his deal to save 9m on the cap hit ......plus they will save 2m by cutting Sanchez

 

[Nightman]

romo for watt

I'll take Clowney

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I just can't see Tony staying as a backup here next year.

 

[Nightman]

Here is one other scenario - stay and compete for starter in 2017 and restructure for 4 year deal (if allowed) for salary cap space.
Restructure will change 2017 salary to minimum + 13 million restructure bonus
So his cap impact would be 1M + 3.25M + 6.8M = 10M
Is this restructure allowed?
Is my calculation correct?

Obviously this kicks the can down the road.

No it isn't correct......I showed the Restructure scenario(it is spread over the 3 years remaining on his contract)....it would lower his 2017 cap hit to 16.7m.......they will choose this over a straight release

 

[Stash]

Not really.......16m of that is his base salary which the new team would pay and owe....his dead hit would be 9m which isn't bad

According to Spotrac, his 2017 salary of $16 million is guaranteed.

 

[Nightman]

Yeah true. Good point.

CLE is the new title town...just ask Lebron

 

[Jarv]

Didn't read through the whole thread but...What if Tony beats out Dak next year as the starter?

 

[Nightman]

But Romo could renegotiate down with Dallas. Also any trade would very likely see Romo negotiate an extension with less money overall that was more based on incentives. If you look at what the Rams and Eagles paid in trades to get Goff and Wentz, they gave up a ton to get guys who had never played a down in the NFL. (Also think about what people on this board were recommending we trade to move up).

Romo has health issues but the odds are he could give a contending team 24 starts over the next two years. Stash is right that the Bradford trade was fairly unique, but if a contending team is in the position Dallas was last year with guys like Weeden and Cassell would they give up a #2 and a conditional #3?

I absolutely believe they would.

And we can hold out until TC to see if any injuries pop up.......what if Cam or Ryan or Wilson gets hurt in August....it will take cooperation but I can see DAL and Tony working together

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Didn't read through the whole thread but...What if Tony beats out Dak next year as the starter?

If Dak leads us to the playoffs and Tony never plays this year I doubt he'll have the chance. The team isn't going back.